Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

ancapailldorcha · 04-09-2019 07:56PM

I think the government has to publish the withdrawal bill. I don't know what that means yet.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-09-2019 07:56PM

*gets* popcorn

Boris wants an election

ath262 · 04-09-2019 07:57PM

he's trying to goad Corbyn ....

ancapailldorcha · 04-09-2019 07:57PM

I'm shocked at how brazen he is. He's saying that negotiations have been scuppered by the House.

gooch2k9 · 04-09-2019 07:58PM

Framing it as a Johnson v Corbyn election.

The dereliction of duty line won't go down well though.

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

Blocking brexit ? Yet Boris Johnson voted against the withdrawal agreement which if they had voted for it they may be out now. Corbyn giving some credit to Theresa May.

Frank Bullitt · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

So election time?

Leroy42 · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

I have no idea what is going on, but is it possible that Johnson is planning to bring the WA back, maybe with the NI only backstop with the caveat that he ain't asking for an extension?

That certainly was no mistake on the vote.

briany · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Stop the negotiations ? They haven't been any Boris FFS.

Precisely. He was negotiating by not going to Brussels. Now that negotiations have ended, he will go to Brussels. He's the backwards man, the backwards man.

Notmything · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Stop the negotiations ? They haven't been any Boris FFS.

Yeah, but it gives him an out, and somewhere to point the finger of blame at.

He's playing to his supporters, not the public

Patser · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

Could the Kinnock/teller thing simply be indicative of a Tory party in disarray or is there some elaborate trap set by it.

Leroy42 · 04-09-2019 07:59PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Blocking brexit ? Yet Boris Johnson voted against the withdrawal agreement which if they had voted for it they may be out now. Corbyn giving some credit to Theresa May.

Johnson also voted for it on MV3

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 08:01PM

Patser wrote: »

Could the Kinnock/teller thing simply be indicative of a Tory party in disarray or is there some elaborate trap set by it.

What kinnock thing ?

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 08:01PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Johnson also voted for it on MV3

Yeah at the third time of asking and you'd wonder did he really agree with the WA.

is_that_so · 04-09-2019 08:02PM

An amendment to bring the May deal to another HoC vote as a way of justifying an extension request. It was added unchallenged.

retalivity · 04-09-2019 08:02PM

Corbyn sounding very statesmanlike

ath262 · 04-09-2019 08:04PM

Corbyn & Labour will resist this election and either abstain or vote no - must be tough for then after looking for election for so long

sjb25 · 04-09-2019 08:04PM

Come on Ken legend

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-09-2019 08:04PM

Hard to believe this parliament was regarded as an inspiration to other democracies. Total circus now. Johnson himself even described the status quo as a "mess".

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 08:05PM

Oh Kenneth Clarke not holding back.

Headshot · 04-09-2019 08:05PM

sjb25 wrote: »

Come on Ken legend

what stingers by Ken

Leroy42 · 04-09-2019 08:06PM

OK, apparently the Kinnock amendment simply gives a reason for the UK asking for an extension, with that reason being that it would be to give time to the HoC to pass the WA, or a version of it.

So basically it means nothing at all in real terms

sjb25 · 04-09-2019 08:07PM

Headshot wrote: »

what stingers by Ken

He's brilliant need somebody like him over here

ancapailldorcha · 04-09-2019 08:07PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

OK, apparently the Kinnock amendment simply gives a reason for the UK asking for an extension, with that reason being that it would be to give time to the HoC to pass the WA, or a version of it.

So basically it means nothing at all in real terms

It should not matter. A general election is inevitable. We just need to prevent a no-deal exit in the meantime.

Thargor · 04-09-2019 08:08PM

He got pummeled there.

Akrasia · 04-09-2019 08:08PM

The Kinnock gambit is actually very devious. It’s designed to split the anti Boris pact into those who oppose the WA and want a 2nd referendum and those who want to brexit and would be happy with the WA.

While these two camps are fighting amongst themselves Boris can sleep walk them again towards No Deal

Headshot · 04-09-2019 08:08PM

This Brexit stuff is better than the last season of GOT

It's thrilling stuff

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 08:09PM

IDS sitting next to Kenneth Clarke with a big thick head on him.

briany · 04-09-2019 08:09PM

ath262 wrote: »

Corbyn & Labour will resist this election and either abstain or vote no - must be tough for then after looking for election for so long

According the the Guardian, Corbyn won't vote for a snap election unless no-deal is unequivocally ruled out. That way, it doesn't matter of Boris tries to move the GE date beyond 31/10, or even if the GE returned a Conservative majority.

BluePlanet · 04-09-2019 08:10PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

if the UK can't sign up to a backstop that gives them no say but want to leave and can't then they surely can bring the EU to its knees to the point they are begged to leave

Just yesterday you were celebrating BoJo's great maneuvering and that this was all part of some great plan.

Today you're looking around for any possible spanner to throw, what changed?

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