The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Masked Man · 03-09-2019 03:49PM

I could probably be an NFL rb behind that line!

brinty · 03-09-2019 04:45PM

boccy23 wrote:

Pity they don't have a Running Back to go with all this great OL talent.

Deal is almost done b

brinty · 03-09-2019 04:46PM

Masked Man wrote:

I could probably be an NFL rb behind that line!

Dunno mate, you might be a little slow

Oat23 · 03-09-2019 04:54PM

Brilliant. And I would buy that calendar if it were sold. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUnLwM1JfKI

el Fenomeno · 03-09-2019 06:15PM

New documentary coming to HBO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocYCFlsTJac

jack presley · 03-09-2019 06:20PM

Nate Peterman's first interception free season.

https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/1168572095883669504

jack presley · 03-09-2019 06:27PM

This clip of Bruce Smith from years back doing the rounds today. The flu eh?

https://twitter.com/MikeGoldFool/status/1168401994916093952

phatkev · 04-09-2019 11:01AM

Looks like Zeke has signed a mega contract

EDIT: 6 year $90 million according to Rapoport

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 11:06AM

Damn it jerry why did you blink.

jack presley · 04-09-2019 11:07AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Damn it jerry why did you blink.

Jerra’s had so much plastic surgery over the past few years he’s incapable of blinking. But I know what you mean.

eagle eye · 04-09-2019 12:11PM

Nice deal for both with $50m guaranteed. It makes it an eight year contract because it's an extension to the two years he has left. Full value of the eight years is $103m.

Foxtrol · 04-09-2019 12:26PM

Do have the full breakdown of the Zeke or Goff deals yet, I can't see them anywhere? Devil is always in the detail, as what is reported as 'guaranteed' doesn't always mean guaranteed, like if the guarantee only becomes active if they're injured or on the roster the first day of the season.

On the face both look like huge outlays though for questionable long term value. Fair play to both players though.

The_Honeybadger · 04-09-2019 12:29PM

I’d be amazed if Zeke is still with the cowboys in eight years given the way they use him. Foxtrol is right, if the guarantees are conditional guarantees then it may not be such a huge outlay.

Must be a relief to Dallas fans

Foxtrol · 04-09-2019 12:45PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I’d be amazed if Zeke is still with the cowboys in eight years given the way they use him. Foxtrol is right, if the guarantees are conditional guarantees then it may not be such a huge outlay.

Must be a relief to Dallas fans

As someone who got Zeke at pick #8 in the boards draft, I am also very pro the Cowboys sorting this contract out.

The_Honeybadger · 04-09-2019 12:52PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

As someone who got Zeke at pick #8 in the boards draft, I am also very pro the Cowboys sorting this contract out.

Brave under the circumstances. I hope nobody took Gordon too high!

Christy42 · 04-09-2019 01:01PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Do have the full breakdown of the Zeke or Goff deals yet, I can't see them anywhere? Devil is always in the detail, as what is reported as 'guaranteed' doesn't always mean guaranteed, like if the guarantee only becomes active if they're injured or on the roster the first day of the season.

On the face both look like huge outlays though for questionable long term value. Fair play to both players though.

I mean the market is always going up with the cap. I don't see an issue with the Goff deal. He is a decent QB and that means he gets a massive premium in free agency.

Zekes deal seems pretty long as it includes 2 rookie years. Maybe Pollard gets more of a go in the offense and save him a bit? They may be more conservative now they have a long term interest in him.

The_Honeybadger · 04-09-2019 01:20PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I mean the market is always going up with the cap. I don't see an issue with the Goff deal. He is a decent QB and that means he gets a massive premium in free agency.

Zekes deal seems pretty long as it includes 2 rookie years. Maybe Pollard gets more of a go in the offense and save him a bit? They may be more conservative now they have a long term interest in him.

Having pollard there might mean they use him more conservatively or use him more in space as a receiver too. It opens up all sorts of possibilities. They can’t keep flogging him if they want to keep him healthy.

Foxtrol · 04-09-2019 01:29PM

Christy42 wrote: »

I mean the market is always going up with the cap. I don't see an issue with the Goff deal. He is a decent QB and that means he gets a massive premium in free agency.

Zekes deal seems pretty long as it includes 2 rookie years. Maybe Pollard gets more of a go in the offense and save him a bit? They may be more conservative now they have a long term interest in him.

I might be being harsh but Goff looked terrible in his rookie year and has rarely looked like more than a slightly above average QB since, despite having one the top offensive minds playcalling and coaching him at the line, a top 2 RB, very good WRs, and good OL. To me he hasn't shown anything that doesn't point to him being relatively easily replaceable. Rather than tying up a huge amount of cap space in him I'd rather draft a rookie QB that needs some development in the 2nd/3rd round, have them sit for a year, and then move on from Goff, receiving a high comp pick if he gets paid like you expect. When full details come out I expect the Rams to have some 'outs' on the contract and guarantees, like the 49ers have with Garoppolo.

For Zeke, despite my fantasy investment in him I hope you're right and the load is shared a bit more. Again it is all down to the structure of the deal, can they get out of the guarantees and when are the big money years. If the big money years are later in the contract he is unlikely ever seeing the full contract duration or that money.

Christy42 · 04-09-2019 02:20PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I might be being harsh but Goff looked terrible in his rookie year and has rarely looked like more than a slightly above average QB since, despite having one the top offensive minds playcalling and coaching him at the line, a top 2 RB, very good WRs, and good OL. To me he hasn't shown anything that doesn't point to him being relatively easily replaceable. Rather than tying up a huge amount of cap space in him I'd rather draft a rookie QB that needs some development in the 2nd/3rd round, have them sit for a year, and then move on from Goff, receiving a high comp pick if he gets paid like you expect. When full details come out I expect the Rams to have some 'outs' on the contract and guarantees, like the 49ers have with Garoppolo.

For Zeke, despite my fantasy investment in him I hope you're right and the load is shared a bit more. Again it is all down to the structure of the deal, can they get out of the guarantees and when are the big money years. If the big money years are later in the contract he is unlikely ever seeing the full contract duration or that money.

Average QBs get big paychecks. Plenty of top QBs are unimpressive as rookies. Goff also had to deal with Fisher.

He has shown more than Jimmy G who got plenty of cash. He does have the tools but he has also used them. If you use a 2nd/3rd on a QB there is decent odds he will fail at which point you now have no QB and top offense talent all trying to get to a decent team. Now you are in total rebuild mode because you bet the house on number 50+ in the draft?

Half decent QBs are hard to come by. I would have Dalton over every back up going and he is not elite.

Foxtrol · 04-09-2019 02:50PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Average QBs get big paychecks. Plenty of top QBs are unimpressive as rookies. Goff also had to deal with Fisher.

He has shown more than Jimmy G who got plenty of cash. He does have the tools but he has also used them. If you use a 2nd/3rd on a QB there is decent odds he will fail at which point you now have no QB and top offense talent all trying to get to a decent team. Now you are in total rebuild mode because you bet the house on number 50+ in the draft?

Half decent QBs are hard to come by. I would have Dalton over every back up going and he is not elite.

People were rightfully questioning the Garopollo contract and Goff is apparently getting nearly 50% more than he did guaranteed (extra $36m), however at the time the 49ers were early rebuild, had a huge amount of cap space, gave themselves outs in the contract ($4.2 dead cap if cut at the end of this season), and I'd argue Garopollo did more in that 6 game before his contract to elevate the team around him than I've ever seen from Goff.

There are plenty of 2nd or 3rd round picks that fail in every position and you'd get back a 3rd in a comp pick on Goff presuming that another team would pay Goff like feel they would. Your case also ignores the cost of the Goff contract can't be spent to elevate the team elsewhere, his money could be spent on helping several verterans rather than one you gamble with on a draft pick.

This is all just opinions, I'd much rather bet on a rookie after sitting a year or a cheaper FA QB with McVay with Goff money spent on support for them than Goff and McVay and weaker support. As a 49ers fan I'm much happier they went the route of paying Gurley and Goff than moving on from them.

Onecoolcookie · 04-09-2019 03:22PM

Anyone else signed up to The Athletic? Very good coverage of all the American sports in particular but this Summer they poached a load of high profile British journalists so soccer is decent now aswell. Costs $3 a month which is fair enough IMO as I seem to be getting the use out of it. Referral link for 40% off signup if anyone needs it here

jack presley · 04-09-2019 03:44PM

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Anyone else signed up to The Athletic? Very good coverage of all the American sports in particular but this Summer they poached a load of high profile British journalists so soccer is decent now aswell. Costs $30 a month which is fair enough IMO as I seem to be getting the use out of it. Referral link for 40% off signup if anyone needs it here

$30 a month? Typo surely. I got it for $49 for the year. It is good though. Some great writers. They’ve added podcasts recently too which is good.

Onecoolcookie · 04-09-2019 03:50PM

jack presley wrote: »

$30 a month? Typo surely. I got it for $49 for the year. It is good though. Some great writers. They’ve added podcasts recently too which is good.

Ha yes my bad, $3 a month is what I intended to type so $36 for the year. Ahh interesting haven't given the podcasts a go at all I'll have to put some on my phone and give them a go.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 04-09-2019 03:58PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

People were rightfully questioning the Garopollo contract and Goff is apparently getting nearly 50% more than he did guaranteed (extra $36m), however at the time the 49ers were early rebuild, had a huge amount of cap space, gave themselves outs in the contract ($4.2 dead cap if cut at the end of this season), and I'd argue Garopollo did more in that 6 game before his contract to elevate the team around him than I've ever seen from Goff.

There are plenty of 2nd or 3rd round picks that fail in every position and you'd get back a 3rd in a comp pick on Goff presuming that another team would pay Goff like feel they would. Your case also ignores the cost of the Goff contract can't be spent to elevate the team elsewhere, his money could be spent on helping several verterans rather than one you gamble with on a draft pick.

This is all just opinions, I'd much rather bet on a rookie after sitting a year or a cheaper FA QB with McVay with Goff money spent on support for them than Goff and McVay and weaker support. As a 49ers fan I'm much happier they went the route of paying Gurley and Goff than moving on from them.

Its difficult to say Garopollo has done more in 6 games than a guy who just led his team to a Superbowl and had a terrific season. Really blinkered at best.

Christy42 · 04-09-2019 05:08PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Its difficult to say Garopollo has done more in 6 games than a guy who just led his team to a Superbowl and had a terrific season. Really blinkered at best.

Indeed. Jimmy G also struggled in some of those games with a lot of wins on kicks.

Barney92 · 04-09-2019 06:02PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I might be being harsh but Goff looked terrible in his rookie year and has rarely looked like more than a slightly above average QB since, despite having one the top offensive minds playcalling and coaching him at the line, a top 2 RB, very good WRs, and good OL. To me he hasn't shown anything that doesn't point to him being relatively easily replaceable. Rather than tying up a huge amount of cap space in him I'd rather draft a rookie QB that needs some development in the 2nd/3rd round, have them sit for a year, and then move on from Goff, receiving a high comp pick if he gets paid like you expect. When full details come out I expect the Rams to have some 'outs' on the contract and guarantees, like the 49ers have with Garoppolo.

He may or may not be worth the money they gave him. I think they're right to pay him because otherwise they could end up with a mess at QB.

However, to say he has rarely looked like more than a slightly above average QB since his rookie year seems a bit disingenuous. Over the last two seasons his quarterback rating is about 101. Only one quarterback has a higher career level than that - Aaron Rodgers. It's four points above Brady and Brees. Now I wouldn't claim that he is the second best quarterback ever on that basis but it is certainly slightly above average.

Always Be Closing · 04-09-2019 06:08PM

What's the difference between NFL GamePass, NFL Network and NFL Redzone?

MrKingsley · 04-09-2019 06:10PM

I’d put it that if Snead and McVay think he is worth it then he is. I know that is simplistic but McVay knows him and his abilities more than anyway in the league. I’d trust them more than an awful lot of GMs and HCs in the league.

Goff has been exceptional at times the last two years and admittedly average other times. He still helped put 30 points against a very stingy Dallas D and 26 against New Orleans. All without the help of Gurley

Foxtrol · 04-09-2019 06:11PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Its difficult to say Garopollo has done more in 6 games than a guy who just led his team to a Superbowl and had a terrific season. Really blinkered at best.

That would be fair if you weren't pulling a strawman and writing a snarky response to a different point than one that I made.

Goff clearly has 'done more' as a sum of work than Garopollo, anyone would be blinkered to argue against, however my point was that I haven't seen Goff often elevate the Rams like Garopollo did when he came initially, prior to his new contract. I had the unfortunate experience of sitting through that 2017 49ers season of Hoyer and Beathard and the upgrade to the whole offense when Garoppolo came in was incredible.

I've watched Goff quite a lot, I get LA local tv and games on my TV, and I just don't see him raising the guys around him like that regularly, moreso he is surrounded by a fantastic coaching staff and team but generally he takes what is given to him and struggles when is asked to do more. I admit that opinion on elevating could completely change if he got injured and the backup QB came in and the Rams absolutely stunk the place up, but I don't think they would (even with Bortles).

I'm not wedded to that opinion and would welcome a discussion about it if it is slightly more substantial than 'lol blinkered fan...' to a completely different point :rolleyes:

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 06:15PM

Always Be Closing wrote: »

What's the difference between NFL GamePass, NFL Network and NFL Redzone?

NFL gamepass is the overall service that the NFL have so that people outside the US and Canada can watch the NFL live. NFL network is just the league approved network of the NFL. And NFL redzone is the NFL is drugs which shows all the touchdowns on a sunday. I used to like redzone and it's still good from 8-9pm of a sunday but I think it's changed the way newer fans watch the game.

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