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trellheim · 04-09-2019 05:38PM

Reminder . Debate on the bill still live in Commons TV

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a91e27e8-e525-4703-aaeb-036189f4caed

Enzokk · 04-09-2019 05:41PM

trellheim wrote: »

Reminder . Debate on the bill still live in Commons TV

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a91e27e8-e525-4703-aaeb-036189f4caed

For other links I see there are a few channels on youtube that has it as well, in case the parliament TV link goes down like it does sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbW6bu32tMA - Telegraph link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxY-nC3E3M - Guardian link

Kermit.de.frog · 04-09-2019 05:49PM

What time is vote this evening?

kalych · 04-09-2019 05:49PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I actually don't believe so. They'd have to be polling at a much higher rate than they currently are. The last YouGov poll extrapolated gave them zero seats. That's the reality of FPTP, only the big boys get seats.

May I suggest that the issue is not about TBP winning seats at all it's about taking 5-10% of the Concervative party vote in most constituencies, splitting the vote and thus giving either LibDems/Lab/Greens the seat. It's actually much worse for the Cons than TBP winning seats.

is_that_so · 04-09-2019 05:54PM

Expected at 7 I believe.

Joe_ Public · 04-09-2019 05:55PM

kalych wrote: »

May I suggest that the issue is not about TBP winning seats at all it's about taking 5-10% of the Concervative party vote in most constituencies, splitting the vote and thus giving either LibDems/Lab/Greens the seat. It's actually much worse for the Cons than TBP winning seats.

But what exactly is in it for TBP in helping remain/2nd referendum parties win seats? Surely the best strategy for Farage is to start targeting seats, labour and conservative, and win as many as possible instead of the scattergun run candidates in every constituency approach he seems to be favouring. Personally i think he's a bad electioneer and wont run a good campaign, even though the lessons of his ukip days should be standing to him.

L1011 · 04-09-2019 05:55PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

There is posts on here claiming the labour government would win elections and some claiming national unity governments without the tories...It is like being in a parallel universe with people who don't have the first idea on what is going on and just spout a wishlist.

Please try and follow it.

You have either zero grasp on reality or somehow believe that by repeating this it may come true; and where some believe in there being a plan despite everything falling apart is required.

You have a username connected to the biggest Ponzi scheme of modern times, to which both viewpoints also apply. So I really can't figure it out.

trellheim · 04-09-2019 05:55PM

Current stars of Brexit Journalism ( add these folks to your twitter but you're watching them anyway)

Tony Connelly (RTE )
Peter Foster (Telegraph)
Faisal Islam (BBC )
in joint 4th place
Tom Newton Dunn (Sun ) and Beth Rigby (Sky News)

Miles behind
Katya Adler (BBC for the EU)
Laura Kuenssberg (much more Miriam Lord from the Irish Times)

On the Brexit Side
Guido Fawkes but its a difficult read

trellheim · 04-09-2019 05:58PM

Nikki Da Costa's job title on twitter changed to Ex-director of legislative affairs although it looks like no-one's picked up on it yet.

MadYaker · 04-09-2019 06:00PM

In terms of brexit and it effects on Ireland the tories sweeping an election might not be a bad thing for us. If they can cast the DUP aside an agreement can be reached much easier.

Roger_007 · 04-09-2019 06:03PM

trellheim wrote: »

Current stars of Brexit Journalism ( add these folks to your twitter but you're watching them anyway)

Tony Connelly (RTE )
Peter Foster (Telegraph)
Faisal Islam (BBC )
in joint 4th place
Tom Newton Dunn (Sun ) and Beth Rigby (Sky News)

Miles behind
Katya Adler (BBC for the EU)
Laura Kuenssberg (much more Miriam Lord from the Irish Times)

On the Brexit Side
Guido Fawkes but its a difficult read

Whenever Laura Kuenssberg comes on the Daily Politics programme, she often tries to take over the role of Jo Coburn by quizzing the other panellists. I get the impression that Coburn is not amused.

FrancieBrady · 04-09-2019 06:05PM

European press reaction is not good. One wonders how the EU are viewing it all and the point, if any, of granting an extension.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/fighting-for-survival-european-papers-maul-johnson-after-defeat?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1b3ekot7vnT7ROuiiYJ85mNQ7znsWHiDGSEQ64pXtU0Jzk9Qun_raBnqo#Echobox=1567583816

endacl · 04-09-2019 06:06PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The whitewashing of Winston Churchill is similar. His career in Afghanistan, Kenya and India (not to mention the black and tans) is a litany of war crimes and excesses.

Indeed. Saddam Hussein wasn’t the first to use chemical weapons against the Kurds...

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 06:08PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Whenever Laura Kuenssberg comes on the Daily Politics programme, she often tries to take over the role of Jo Coburn by quizzing the other panellists. I get the impression that Coburn is not amused.

Thing is if you follow that list for any amount of time you will realise they don't have any idea and only react to news. They offer nothing new except guido which at least publishes firsts.

igCorcaigh · 04-09-2019 06:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

European press reaction is not good. One wonders how the EU are viewing it all and the point, if any, of granting an extension.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/fighting-for-survival-european-papers-maul-johnson-after-defeat?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1b3ekot7vnT7ROuiiYJ85mNQ7znsWHiDGSEQ64pXtU0Jzk9Qun_raBnqo#Echobox=1567583816

Listening to a podcast last night, the possibility was raised of Johnson asking an EU country (eg Hungary) to block the request for an extension. So he could still force through a No Deal.

Frank Bullitt · 04-09-2019 06:11PM

https://twitter.com/Alex_Negueruela/status/1169265030287810561

Honestly, the only good to come of this photo are the countless memes being produced.

Mods, I hope this is ok to post, might lighten up the mood in here.

Leroy42 · 04-09-2019 06:13PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Listening to a podcast last night, the possibility was raised of Johnson asking an EU country (eg Hungary) to block the request for an extension. So he could still force through a No Deal.

Makes no sense. Why would, for example, Hungary take the blame for kicking the UK out of the EU?

kalych · 04-09-2019 06:14PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

But what exactly is in it for TBP in helping remain/2nd referendum parties win seats? Surely the best strategy for Farage is to start targeting seats, labour and conservative, and win as many as possible instead of the scattergun run candidates in every constituency approach he seems to be favouring. Personally i think he's a bad electioneer and wont run a good campaign, even though the lessons of his ukip days should be standing to him.

Taking over from the Cons as a permanent party of 'the right'? I dunno, Farage can have any number of motives as he's clearly funded by vested interests and money of unknown origin.

briany · 04-09-2019 06:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

European press reaction is not good. One wonders how the EU are viewing it all and the point, if any, of granting an extension.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/fighting-for-survival-european-papers-maul-johnson-after-defeat?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1b3ekot7vnT7ROuiiYJ85mNQ7znsWHiDGSEQ64pXtU0Jzk9Qun_raBnqo#Echobox=1567583816

We all know that the UK will promptly waste whatever time they are given, if they're given any at all. In the event of getting an extension, it should be the length of the proposed transition period.

Joe_ Public · 04-09-2019 06:14PM

Conserative MP in house just now: "Three years ago the public gave us the largest ever mandate in British politics."

This is untrue and keeps being repeated. 52-48% is nowhere near the largest ever mandate in british politics. Wish they'd stop trotting that hoary old chestnut out.

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-09-2019 06:28PM

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1169290886343200773

This recognition of the need for divergence between NI and GB is interesting.

boggerman1 · 04-09-2019 06:31PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1169290886343200773

This recognition of the need for divergence between NI and GB is interesting.

Make sure Sammy Wilson sees that.surely burst a few blood vessels

devnull · 04-09-2019 06:34PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Make sure Sammy Wilson sees that.surely burst a few blood vessels

Not like the Tories need the DUP anymore though is it, even with them they're well short of a majority. May as well burn them now it's obvious that they are going to lose any votes regardless of Arlene's support.

beggars_bush · 04-09-2019 06:35PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Conserative MP in house just now: "Three years ago the public gave us the largest ever mandate in British politics."

This is untrue and keeps being repeated. 52-48% is nowhere near the largest ever mandate in british politics. Wish they'd stop trotting that hoary old chestnut out.

Nobody ever mentions the turnout in that referendum

Kermit.de.frog · 04-09-2019 06:38PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1169290886343200773

This recognition of the need for divergence between NI and GB is interesting.

That would still require checks on other trade.

What Coveney has been saying is no infrastructure or related checks.

ancapailldorcha · 04-09-2019 06:39PM

Delay bill passed in first vote.

beggars_bush · 04-09-2019 06:40PM

They're going to ditch the DUP, aren't they?

Oh please let it be so

fash · 04-09-2019 06:40PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1169290886343200773

This recognition of the need for divergence between NI and GB is interesting.

Only deals with 30% of the problem but concedes the principle that divergence in the UK to a system where "subject to foreign rules" is ok. Will be interesting to see where the illogic leads

Itssoeasy · 04-09-2019 06:42PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

They're going to ditch the DUP, aren't they?

Oh please let it be so

They might. I mean when they hadn't kicked out 21 of their own members the DUP became even more vital to have some chance of doing anything.

Infini · 04-09-2019 06:42PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Nobody ever mentions the turnout in that referendum

17.4million voted to leave..... out of a population of 64million+.

"Good sir I do belive that is not a strong enough grounds for leaving" :P

beggars_bush wrote: »

They're going to ditch the DUP, aren't they?

Oh please let it be so

The moment Boris lost his majority they instantly became excess baggage and will shortly be getting their well deserved comeuppance.

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Alex_Negueruela/status/1169265030287810561

Honestly, the only good to come of this photo are the countless memes being produced.

Mods, I hope this is ok to post, might lighten up the mood in here.

Let it be said that Moggles is getting the comeuppance he deserves and the ridicule he needs to show everyone what kind of vile person he is and how this basically shows exactly what's he out for: Himself and to profit on everyone elses misery.

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