Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:23PM

Limpy wrote: »

Then Ireland joins pesco.

All lies.

PESCO is not an EU army, stop spreading lies.

03-09-2019 11:23PM

Has the father of the house ever lost the whip before?

BorneTobyWilde · 03-09-2019 11:25PM

Theresa May voted with Boris. Keeping her enemies close no doubt.

awec · 03-09-2019 11:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...they go to the backbenches.
They face been 'deselected' to stand next time out as well.

Losing the whip means they become independents. It's effectively expulsion.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:27PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Theresa May voted with Boris. Keeping her enemies close no doubt.

Just spite against those who pulled this against her I'd say.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:27PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There isn't a single projection out there showing them taking a seat, not even Farage, the only one that anyone has ever heard of.

They are Ross Perot to Boris' George Bush snr.

Ah ok so they would act as a kind of a spoiler in FPTP for the conservatives?

An Claidheamh · 03-09-2019 11:27PM

Limpy wrote: »

Then Ireland joins pesco.

Yet the British were happy for us to join them in NATO....

They just can't take part in things they don't control*

*Or the USA controls, but "special relationship" right?.....

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:29PM

Paddy Power's odds on a no-deal Brexit in 2019 have lengthened considerably in the last couple of hours, from 11/10 to 15/8.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 11:30PM

Just read elsewhere that Rory Stewart has decided to feck off from the Tories.

He always struck me as someone who was honest and had convictions.

Sad to hear. He had a great future ahead of him. And maybe still will.

Edit,

Not stepping down as an MP. But what does that mean?

https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1169012650199736320?s=21

10000maniacs · 03-09-2019 11:31PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

I think the Tories would win the next election.

Not necessarily. If Johnson is forced to delay Brexit by Parliament, he will have lost the voting pact with the Brexit party. And they will be gunning for Tory seats. Also, those 21 Tories who were taken down today by Johnson were popular in their constituencies. That's 21 potential lost seats.
Thresa May has similar poll results before her ill conceived election in 2017.

allthedoyles · 03-09-2019 11:31PM

Boris will not go back to ask for an extension , so what happens after election if Cons have majority .
Will tomorrows no-deal vote be null and void ?

An Claidheamh · 03-09-2019 11:32PM

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 11:33PM

A great day for Boris Johnson. He started the day with a majority of 1 and finished with a minority of 43. He managed to do this all by himself by painting red lines around a vote. They never learn.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:33PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just read elsewhere that Rory Stewart has decided to feck off from the Tories.

He always struck me as someone who was honest and had convictions.

Sad to hear. He had a great future ahead of him. And maybe still will.

Honest and has convictions...he doesn't really fit in with the conservative party tbh then...but I agree...hopefully he comes back to politics

Water John · 03-09-2019 11:35PM

Cummings and his ilk are seeing the Tories being up in the polls areund 35% and also view the 12% Brexit voters as theirs to take, giving them 47%.

However they loose 11/12 in Scotland alone, some more in SW England to the Lib Dems.
Could have a minority Govn't after the election too.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:36PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

He is the lad who is always in jeans and a gillet...Jesus I wouldn't get away with wearing that to work...he looks like a pissed dad out on a boat.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:36PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

A great day for Boris Johnson. He started the day with a majority of 1 and finished with a minority of 43. He managed to do this all by himself by painting red lines around a vote. They never learn.

He had to prove that he was willing to expell 21 MPs from his party so that those MPs would believe that he was willing to expell them and as such they would be willing to come to a reasonable compromise with him that respected his red lines.

This is how negiotation works, and it never fails...

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:37PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

You can't possibly believe that.

Cummmings expected the loss and have hinted at the election play all week. Labour either take it and lose or get their extension till january and then lose. Either way parliament vs the people is set up and outside the shouty folk on westminster green the vast majority if seats are leave. The deal is remains best hope and boris will not bring it back so it will not see the light of day without remain winning an almost impossible election.

Capt'n Midnight · 03-09-2019 11:38PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Yes, voters elect people not parties. As of now they are not Conservative MPs however.

Here with multi-seaters and transferable votes, voters can usually vote for a different lizard from the same party after lodging a protest vote for the local hospital candidate.

In the UK most seats are safe so voting in them is generally a formality.

In the others it's usually the party who decides who stands and the voter who doesn't vote for the winner or runner up might as well have stayed at home.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:38PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

He had to prove that he was willing to expell 21 MPs from his party so that those MPs would believe that he was willing to expell them and as such they would be willing to come to a reasonable compromise with him that respected his red lines.

This is how negiotation works, and it never fails...

But it already has....they voted against the whip and they are being expelled?
Or am I missing something?

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 11:40PM

gmisk wrote: »

Honest and has convictions...he doesn't really fit in with the conservative party tbh then...but I agree...hopefully he comes back to politics

Hold the eulogies. It was joke he made at an awards ceremony tonight. He will not be standing down as an MP.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 11:40PM

gmisk wrote: »

But it already has....they voted against the whip and they are being expelled?
Or am I missing something?

It was scarcasm, just like the argument that no-deal must be kept on the table so you can get a deal, you must expell your MPs so you dont have to expell your MPs ,or some such logic.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:41PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Here with multi-seaters and transferable votes, voters can usually vote for a different lizard from the same party after lodging a protest vote for the local hospital candidate.

In the UK most seats are safe so voting in them is generally a formality.

In the others it's usually the party who decides who stands and the voter who doesn't vote for the winner or runner up might as well have stayed at home.

I wouldn't be so sure about most seats being safe......I think in Scotland the conservatives will take an absolute hammering especially with Davidson stepping down.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 11:41PM

Shelga wrote: »

Paddy Power's odds on a no-deal Brexit in 2019 have lengthened considerably in the last couple of hours, from 11/10 to 15/8.

Can you explain. I haven't a clue about gambling on anything.

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:41PM

Will the EU grant an extension just because Parliament ask for one, if it is not specifically tied to a GE?

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:42PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

It was scarcasm, just like the argument that no-deal must be kept on the table so you can get a deal, you must expell your MPs so you dont have to expell your MPs ,or some such logic.

Ah my bad hard to get the tone of some posts on here

cryptocurrency · 03-09-2019 11:43PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Here with multi-seaters and transferable votes, voters can usually vote for a different lizard from the same party after lodging a protest vote for the local hospital candidate.

In the UK most seats are safe so voting in them is generally a formality.

In the others it's usually the party who decides who stands and the voter who doesn't vote for the winner or runner up might as well have stayed at home.

Was safe. Labour heartlands are so far removed from the London labour seats its not funny. Corbyn threatening the removal of the whip may well lose huge numbers of northern seats. They are circulating the 21 tories who voted with Corbyn and I'm sure Farage is going to be rolling out hard in the strong leave labour seats at what they MPs has done.

Shelga · 03-09-2019 11:43PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can you explain. I haven't a clue about gambling on anything.

A few hours ago, if you bet €10 on a no-deal Brexit, you'd get €11 back if it happened. Ie no deal extremely likely.

Now, if you bet €8 on a no deal and it happen, you get €15 back. The bookies think it is less likely now, after the vote tonight.

sabat · 03-09-2019 11:43PM

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Wish someone videoed this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pms-guru-dominic-cummings-goads-19400954.amp

"The oddball strategist had previously been seen conspicuously prowling the corridors of the Commons press gallery, clutching a glass of red wine."

They're losing it

Read his website https://dominiccummings.com/ - the man is cuckoo bananas. In that lengthy most recent entry he says that there is an "urgent" need to establish a base on the moon. The bulk of his musings, hidden amongst reams of rambling management jargon, are about pre-selecting the most intelligent people and training them to run the world. Basically his main influence seems to be Hugo Drax from Moonraker...

gmisk · 03-09-2019 11:43PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Hold the eulogies. It was joke he made at an awards ceremony tonight. He will not be standing down as an MP.

Ah good to hear.
But he still broke the whip didn't he so out of conservative party? Lib Dems might be a good fit...

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