Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Penn wrote: »

So if they block No Deal, he'll either have to ask the EU for another extension or he'll have to go against Parliament and do nothing, thereby leaving with No Deal by default

Parliament can hold a VoNC and replace Boris with a caretaker PM, ask EU for an extension and hold a General Election.

Boris doesn't even have a paper majority now, even if the 20 Tory rebels did not rebel.

Anyone got a link to Peter Foster's article in the The Telegraph that got Boris so riled? I can't seem to find it.

One more defection and the DUP lose all power

I cannot wait

In all the statements and interviews i've read and seen about the proposed legislation to extend A50, i havent seen anyone comment on the actual purpose for seeking that extension, beyond avoiding a no deal exit. Is that on the basis a GE is automatically assumed? Otherwise, it's difficult enough to see how Tusk's "good reason" for extension criteria is fulfilled.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1168938164314132481

Big news from Labour but where does that leave the state of play? Boris to force their hands on some sort of money bill or making something else a VoC?

Hermon has been a genuine Rep for Unionism and I hugely respect her.

The very fact that their own rules (FTPA, VoNC etc) seem almost at odds with each other shows the depths that the UK finds itself in politically.

They have a PM which even his own party doesn't trust, a senior advisor that isn't even part of the ruling party, almost complete warfare within the party itself, a party within the party (ERG) and an opposition tha can't agree on what it wants.

According to the Peter Foser tweet thread earlier, the EU and particularly Ireland, is now faced with the certainty of a border in Ireland. One option is No Deal with the hope that reality can force the UK back to the table. The other is a deal, which legitimises the border and ensures it for the long term. As Foster says, while both are bad there really is only option for the EU and Ireland to go with.

Why Johnson is allowed to continue to spout this nonsense about getting closer to a deal, why Give is allowed to stand in the HoC and comment that No Deal will bring challenges but in the same breath claim their are opportunities within giving any indication of either is beyond a joke.

devnull wrote: »

He cannot just call an election on a whim.

There are rules in relation to Fixed term Parliament act, but can get around that by what I said above.

Poorly phrased on my part, replace "call an election" with "attempt to trigger one".

I'm curious as opposition won't go with it if it's prior to the legislation passing so it would be a waste of his time.

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

Fantastic to see everything beginning to burn for Johnson, might refocus British minds regarding Brexit and that there are worse than the EU out there.

The worst BJ anyone has ever had.

Johnson was one of those who helped pushed that referendum over the line so to see the whole thing implode on his watch is nothing short of Karma being a bìtch.

Now all we need to see is a withdrawal of A50 and investigations expecially into Farage and those who have poisoned the well with misinformation and damn we have the comeuppance we all deserve to see.

So did they just vote Boris as the leader and PM just to see him burn and get him out of politics for ever

Johnson's performance at the dispatch box earlier in the Commons was dreadful. Like some randomer from off the street. Think the Tories looked shocked at how actually bad this guy is.