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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    reslfj wrote: »
    Any EU<-> UK deal is a deal with a 3. country where A50 says the EU Parliament must give its consent too.

    It's not and can't be a last minute operation.

    Lars :)
    It would be quite amusing; if a deal were reached, to see Nigel Farage and co. having to vote on it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    reslfj wrote: »
    Without a deal EU's WTO MFN tariffs will be collected from NI into Ireland/EU27 too. Regulatory control will also happen.

    Might, however, not happen on Brexit day, as I'm sure the EU27 will focus on getting customs and controls working first for the England<->Continental EU trade.

    Lars :)

    If the UK will trade they need to 'integrate' many/most rules (follow the EU's standards). If they won't trade it will be OK for the EU27 too.

    But the EU27+UK citizens rights, the backstop and paying the 'peanuts' money the UK owes (£39bn or whatever) is just something we must force the UK to uphold - with no mercy, no mitigation and no negotiations

    On Brexit day + 1, the milk lorry from Baiieborough that normally collects milk north and south of the border will be instructed that the milk will not be collected north of the border, not until there is a deal f some sort. Same goes for beef, lamb and pigs. Large companies cannot break the rules because the penalties could put them out of business.

    So what does a NI farmer do with his milk?

    I think Arlene needs to plan an answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    That would be brilliant. Francois, Mogg, IDS et al would go bananas.
    Optics would not be good for the EU however. Much better that the UK come begging to the EU for an extension than the other way round from the EU's perspective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I think Arlene needs to plan an answer.

    Arlene already has an answer. The UK will simply increase the subvention to keep things exactly the same, and if there are losses then that is a price worth paying to stay in the union and the unionist community has been through much worse.

    I would then expect that any nationalist that complain will be told that they can always move to the ROI. Since, of course, it is all Leo's fault anyway.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Arlene already has an answer. The UK will simply increase the subvention to keep things exactly the same, and if there are losses then that is a price worth paying to stay in the union and the unionist community has been through much worse.

    I would then expect that any nationalist that complain will be told that they can always move to the ROI. Since, of course, it is all Leo's fault anyway.

    But what do they do with milk? That is the question that Arlene needs to answer. There will be a lot of milk sloshing around NI. We can survive without it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,297 ✭✭✭✭briany


    SNIP. Enough of the sarcasm please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    But what do they do with milk? That is the question that Arlene needs to answer. There will be a lot of milk sloshing around NI. We can survive without it.

    You pour it out, and if you keep having to do that, then you sell or cull your heard, then you go to have an unpleasant talk with the bank manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    You pour it out, and if you keep having to do that, then you sell or cull your heard, then you go to have an unpleasant talk with the bank manager.

    Then very quickly your entire farm/livelihood comes under pressure. And that is when the real anger sets in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,288 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    But what do they do with milk? That is the question that Arlene needs to answer. There will be a lot of milk sloshing around NI.

    They can sell it cheap to the British. At the very least, it'll help British pig farmers cut costs before their market is flooded with cheap hogs from the States.
    Then very quickly your entire farm/livelihood comes under pressure. And that is when the real anger sets in.
    Especially if wealthy "vultures" from the Republic start buying up land and property that's being auctioned off at a hefty discount, what with GBPs being so cheap and all ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    The UK still considers themselves to be a great power, and as such they believe they have and deserve their own sphere of influence in the world that encompases their former Empire. It goes without saying that Ireland is in the British sphere of influence and this is supposed to be understood by all parties.

    Ireland forgetting its place is frustrating but understandable, it is only Ireland after all and Ireland is know to be troublesome. This is why so many Brexiteers feel the need to remind us of our place, of the special relationship between Ireland and Britain, our dependance on the British economey and how much better if would be if Ireland came along with the UK in leaving the EU.

    The EU sticking its nose in where it does not belong however is unforgivable. It is deeply disrespectful of Britains place in the world to have the EU butting into the relationship between Ireland and the UK and convincing the Irish to stand up to Britian. Ireland is being mislead by an outside power that cannot possibly have our interests at heart, becasue our true interests are to be back in our place playing second fiddle to the UKs interests.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    You pour it out, and if you keep having to do that, then you sell or cull your heard, then you go to have an unpleasant talk with the bank manager.
    Some farmers have already bought farms across the border and moved part of their operation there. I heard one guy interviewed (on RTE I think) who'd bought land in Donegal and his son was setting up there in preparation.

    But they can't all do that. It's not fun times for them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Just on the farming of it all.
    Could we see those big corps that own mega farms in the US swoop in up north?
    Would there be any legal block to a farmer in dire straits as above selling his lot to one of them?
    Is there anything stopping them coming in that way and buying one farm at a time and doing the industrial scale farming the states have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Just on the farming of it all.
    Could we see those big corps that own mega farms in the US swoop in up north?
    Would there be any legal block to a farmer in dire straits as above selling his lot to one of them?
    Is there anything stopping them coming in that way and buying one farm at a time and doing the industrial scale farming the states have?

    nothing at all - sure it would be used as evidence of how this new trading relationship with the US is working wonders


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Just on the farming of it all.
    Could we see those big corps that own mega farms in the US swoop in up north?
    Would there be any legal block to a farmer in dire straits as above selling his lot to one of them?
    Is there anything stopping them coming in that way and buying one farm at a time and doing the industrial scale farming the states have?
    Those mega farms are massive. You'd lose an entire county in one of them. Not sure how that would work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    lawred2 wrote: »
    nothing at all - sure it would be used as evidence of how this new trading relationship with the US is working wonders

    Thought as much. That’s kinda scary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,057 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Thought as much. That’s kinda scary.


    Lets not forgot the environmental impact of those monstrosities it would definitely spill over the border in various ways


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Those mega farms are massive. You'd lose an entire county in one of them. Not sure how that would work.

    I don’t think size or scale would matter. They’re there for the profit.
    But have Flown over them in the US and it’s mind blowing how big they are


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Lets not forgot the environmental impact of those monstrosities it would definitely spill over the border in various ways

    That was my other thought. Would you see Irish farming thinking, I’ve no son to take over. It doesn’t pay its grueling work. I’m selling up.

    I think it might become a factor.

    As and how it clashes up to Eu rules though might be a thing

    I know nothing about farming just occurred to me as a way out of despair for farmers up north


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    You pour it out, and if you keep having to do that, then you sell or cull your heard, then you go to have an unpleasant talk with the bank manager.

    Then very quickly your entire farm/livelihood comes under pressure. And that is when the real anger sets in.
    Anger only sets in if you are a remainer if you are a brexiteer you dump your milk happy in the knowledge that you are doing in without restrictions from Brussels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,057 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    That was my other thought. Would you see Irish farming thinking, I’ve no son to take over. It doesn’t pay its grueling work. I’m selling up.

    I think it might become a factor.

    As and how it clashes up to Eu rules though might be a thing

    I know nothing about farming just occurred to me as a way out of despair for farmers up north


    I meant more that the environmental impact for instance to the water table and air quality goes far beyond the boundaries of the farms themselves and cannot be controlled by a border


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭trellheim


    OK back to timelines

    Assuming a deal is there to be done and no A50 extension request ( ignore proroguing its all dead cat stuff , and assuming the ERG can be brough onside )

    Johnson has to make a the guts of a deal done by EUCO 17 October

    Said deal HAS to assure the EU it will pass the Commons and the Lords ( which means ERG and/or Labour AND the DUP need to be in the tent , and very publicly saying so too )

    With conference recess about to hit , how on earth can the space for a deal get created , the only possible thing I can think of is a super-compressed scenario leading up to the last week with a vote to ratify at 2359 31 October

    does anyone have a different idea how this might work out ?

    random ideas - get labour to abstain the ratification vote ? pass a law creating 200 new conservative MP robots ?

    really am scratching the head here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    The dup mite bring in a money for milk scheme


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    If you bothered to look at the evidence, you would see that the EU is vastly more important to the Irish economy than the UK. You solution seems to suggest that we should cut our hands off to avoid a blister.

    Ireland will not be getting dragged out of the EU by the UK because to leave the EU to maintain links with the UK would be economic suicide for us, it would not be in our interest to do so, and because of that it wont happen.
    Why would we give up 90% of our trade with partners who respect and support us to stay with a (collapsing) partner with whom we have 10% trade which is trying to f**k us and literally starve us to death?
    Am I missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    trellheim wrote: »
    Johnson has to make a the guts of a deal done by EUCO 17 October

    The deal is done, it is on the table. The UK can take it or leave with No Deal.

    As to what Johnson is up to, I have seen several commentators on Twitter say their sources in Whitehall have told them they are overestimating the amount of thought the UK Government have put in. They are literally winging it with no clue how it could work out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Inspiring comments from Johnson here. The way he is so flippant and blase is astonishing.

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1167420018260267010

    Also how he refers to 'the parliamentarians'. They are somehow 'other' and distinct to what he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭maebee


    The dup mite bring in a money for milk scheme

    Moving from "Cash for Ash" to "Cash Cow".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    I'd say there's a good chance that farmers in NI, knowing they're up the creek without a paddle, that they'll be dumping their milk at DUP HQ and no amount of flegs or such palaver will distract their ire. The same applies to other sectors that are going to get absolutely hammered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,784 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Inspiring comments from Johnson here. The way he is so flippant and blase is astonishing.

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1167420018260267010

    Also how he refers to 'the parliamentarians'. They are somehow 'other' and distinct to what he is.

    There is already speculation Johnson and Cummings are planning a "People vs the Parliament" general election.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    And why - in your opinion - should a small business importing from the UK still be in business if they haven't already taken steps to protect themselves against Brexit? Do you (or they) know that there are 26 other countries that can supply goods to the same standards?

    Well I run a small business and I source services from the UK. I'd much rather source these services in Ireland and used to up to about 10 years ago. But I found that the suppliers were unable to do the work anymore, they had decommissioned the equipment required. Why? In part, shrinking work due to the recession and part of that was government contracts from this state which were sent outside the country for 'cost reasons'.

    So now I source same services in the UK and they have done a fine job at a reasonable price at reasonable speed since. I have absolutely no desire to go chasing off to continental Europe to find French or German or even Chinese companies to do same.

    So I'll stick with my UK supplier insofar as possible, it may mean that costs will rise and those costs will then be passed on in increased retail prices.

    That's just one small tiny business, multiply this out.

    I suspect that most of the people opining on here, don't have to actually think too much about the realities of all this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If Ireland left the EU to go along with Brexit (like some posters have suggested), I would gladly give up my passport and go with he Canadian one over it.


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