Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

Yeah in terms of Scottish independence, Davidson quitting is a massive deal. Now even the biggest Unionist party in Scotland is distancing themselves from the Westminster system and seeing the problems that comes with being tied to it. It doesn't exactly look good for the anti-independence camp.

Plus Davidson basically revived (or at least semi-revived) the Tories in Scotland. With her being gone now they'll more than likely be looking at a total wipe out.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

A petition to not prorogue is gaining signatures at the rate of 1,000 per minute at the moment. I'd expect it to top several million by the end of the week

Interestingly, (or maybe not), that number isn't the real number, the site was crashing so much because people were refreshing it so many times, so it's kind of lagged.

Here's the actual number in real time

murphaph wrote: »

I really hope Johnson gets his strong majority and can dump the DUP and go for a WTO Brexit for Britain with NI getting special status. Time for the UK to get out of the EU at least for a few years. They are beyond help right now.

The UK will most likely leave the EU. Whether it be on Halloween or whatever date. I agree they will come back someday.

Northern Ireland deserves special status. They've been through the wringer for decades.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Sky news is reporting that the leader of the Scottish conservatives Ruth Davidson is standing down as leader.

If true, and I am not contradicting you, will there be another Tory leader elected/placed for Scotland now? I don't blame her. There is little future for the Tories in Scotland these days really AFAIS.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Does this mean they have to have a bye election to fill Davidson’s seat does anyone know?

She's not an MP, she's a MSP.

Guardian have a feed with all of today's actions you could check out!

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Is there any good summary of what's going on? Very lost in this thread between Scottish MPs resigning and haven't a clue why or what that means for Brexit.

Steve Bannon - "flood the zone with ****"

"The Democrats don’t matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with ****.”

That's what's going on now. Some MPs who couldn't work a shift as a roadsweeper (Marc Francois, Fabricant et al) are gleefully soaking up the limelight.

Bambi wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder what the mood in the DUP camp is like, loyalism has a long history of cutting off its nose to spite its face but, given the effect a no deal brexit will have on their constituents and their votes, you wonder if Alrene et al are getting a dose of the yips now.

I suspect that the correlation between those in NI who voted for Brexit and those who vote for the DUP is quite strong. DUP always have the tribal fallback of "If you don't vote for us, then that other shower will get a majority.". This will always mitigate the electoral blowback for their horrendous mishandling of Brexit.

woejus wrote: »

Interestingly, (or maybe not), that number isn't the real number, the site was crashing so much because people were refreshing it so many times, so it's kind of lagged.

Here's the actual number in real time

Then you have to discount those who are not British Citizens or resident in the UK which is difficult to do like in the last few Brexit related votes where 1000s of the millions of votes were from all over the world. Granted some will fit the criteria, but I doubt for example in the Article 50 petition that the 84 who signed from Nigeria, or the 78 in Pakistan or the 228 in South Korea were all eligible to do so? Even North Korea provided 34 signatories (which is a surprise considering the restricted access allowed there).

The numbers whilst high are not accurate and voted in the thousands from nearly every country in the world.

I have always supported Brexit solely because I think all this will be the catalyst which will deliver a United Ireland along with the Protestant deomgraph decline and changing demographics in the North; add to that when the lineal Protestant planters lose their Single Farm Payment Cheques and livelihoods they may just hold their noses and accept a United Ireland.

Also Brexit will stroke Scottish Nationalism and I can see a United Ireland and Independent Scotland very soon; much sooner than even the optimistic forecasts. The little Englanders would be happy as Scotland and Northern Ireland cost them around £25bn per year, plus with the payments to the EU removed, little England could become a very rich monarchy oligarchy once again.

I don't want to divert into the pros and cons of a United Ireland and Independent Scotland but I see things headed this way.

As other posters have said all this chaos has the fingerprints of bannon and Trump, divert divert divert attention away and achieve what you set out to do. I could see some sort of putsch within Labour against Corbyn next and I really doubt if there will be any sort of anti-Brexit unity to stop a crash out.