Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

murphaph wrote: »

I really hope Johnson gets his strong majority and can dump the DUP and go for a WTO Brexit for Britain with NI getting special status.

Why do you think NI would get special status in this scenario?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would Davidson quitting leave Boris with no majority?

She's an MSP not an MP it has no overall effect in Westminster.

But it is a bombshell, especially with a by-election on the go in Shetland.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

We need a half way house. Who wants 30 DUP members in the Dail?

Why would there be 30 DUP members? Looks like you have around 1 member per population of around 30 000 in Ireland. That would mean around 63 Northern Irish Dail politicians coming in. Factor in the 30% of the vote the DUP gets from that total and you have around 20 incoming DUP members, give or take a few. That would be out of a total of 220. Rough calculations from me.

brickster69 wrote: »

Not really.

247 constituencies of Conservative MPs voted Leave
148 constituencies of Labour MPs voted Leave


Including all parties, that’s a total of 415 seats where the people told Parliament to leave the EU

You can try and discount elections that doesn't suit your agenda, but in the last election the parties had manifestos and the parties that ruled out no-deal received 54% of the vote. If people felt strongly in favour of no-deal they should have voted UKIP or Conservative in 2017. That is the most recent election we can go on.

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Davidson has quit. Shocker

https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1166747586520342528?s=21

If true that would be another casualty to Brexit. I have been hammering her but good on her for resigning seeing as her position is untenable. She cannot claim to represent people in Scotland and the Conservatives, they are looking more and more like two polar opposite views.

Nody wrote: »

Because it solves EU's problem on the NI border which they would need to control in some form while maintaining their support for the peace agreement (assuming full controls in water with EU support etc.).

I can see why it is desirable but not quite what I am asking.

Berserker wrote: »

No they don't. The democratic wish of the British people takes precedence over everything else anyway.

This mentality is why dictators like prebicites so much and why moderate democrates are so wary of them. They are so useful to undermine democratic norms, anything and everything can be attacked and broken, even democracy itself to implement the "will of the people". Its so much easier to reduce issues down to simplistic and easily manupilated ideas rather than dealing with complicated realities and democratic checks and balances.

Davidson has little influence over the MPs in Scotland, was hyped up by her mates in the media, avoids scrutiny, flip flops on issues and has only one policy - no to independence. The Tory MPs in Scotland have done next to nothing to take the sting out of Brexit

Imreoir2 wrote: »

This mentality is why dictators like prebicites so much and why moderate democrates are so wary of them. They are so useful to undermine democratic norms, anything and everything can be attacked and broken, even democracy itself to implement the "will of the people". Its so much easier to reduce issues down to simplistic and easily manupilated ideas rather than dealing with complicated realities and democratic checks and balances.

Exactly, someone more knowledgeable might be able to correct me here but isn't Germany very reluctant to use referendums due to their little brush with dictatorship.
Not sure of details so could be wrong here.

awec wrote: »

I don't really see the significance of Davidson quitting. A bit of a non-event, and Johnson won't care.

More interested in knowing what the Scottish tory MPs will do

In the context of Brexit - very little

In the context of elections in Scotland - probably a loss for the media as they were hyping her up as the next First Minister of Scotland (was never going to happen anyway)

As for the MPs, most of them know their time is up at the next election so hard to tell but their previous actions will indicate they will back Johnson

awec wrote: »

I don't really see the significance of Davidson quitting. A bit of a non-event, and Johnson won't care.

More interested in knowing what the Scottish tory MPs will do

It will not change much, but she was the face of the Conservatives in Scotland. She was their voice and for a long time she was trying to juggle being a Conservative member and being in Scotland, where the view seemed to split from her party.

It was of interest to see her trying to put the knife into the SNP when she shared a lot of their views on Brexit, but her party and her fellow Scottish Conservatives helped vote through the policies she knows her fellow citizens were opposed to. Call it a curious development more than earth shattering in terms of Brexit.

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