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  • #2312
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭54and56


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Checkmate. All we need now is for the EU not to budge

    Think I'll bookmark this post and check back in mid Nov to see how prophetic it was and how well this move has served the best interests of the UK.


  • #2313
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    This mornings move eliminates the possibility of a general election before Brexit. A VONC cannot occur until September 3rd meaning parliament cannot be dissolved until Sept 17th - when it is prorogued and therefore, cannot be dissolved!


    are you sure about that? i thought under the new fixed term parliament act a VONC trigger a series of events that had to be seen through?

    now i could be wrong and as that act has never been used yet no one seems completely sure what happens.


  • #2314
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    listermint wrote: »
    Still waving that flag then are you?

    On no metric did the people vote for No Deal, in fact the opposite is entirely true.

    You are being extremely disingenuous.

    No Deal is the preferred option of 26% of British people.


  • #2315
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Here is Naomi smith pretty much threatening the Queen

    https://twitter.com/chienontheloose/status/1166640648054853632?s=21

    It's a bit of a stretch to call that a threat to execute her. It's threatening the Queen's reputation and legacy.


  • #2316
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It's a bit of a stretch to call that a threat to execute her. It's threatening the Queen's reputation and legacy.

    Strange and bewildering times not just interesting ones.


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  • #2317
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    listermint wrote: »
    Still waving that flag then are you?

    On no metric did the people vote for No Deal, in fact the opposite is entirely true.

    You are being extremely disingenuous.

    No one voted for a deal either. They voted to Leave which is as far as i understand the opposite of remain.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2318
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    brickster69 wrote: »
    No one voted for a deal either. They voted to Leave which is as far as i understand the opposite of remain.

    Did they vote for No Deal?


  • #2319
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    farmchoice wrote: »
    are you sure about that? i thought under the new fixed term parliament act a VONC trigger a series of events that had to be seen through?

    now i could be wrong and as that act has never been used yet no one seems completely sure what happens.

    No, I'm not!


  • #2320
    maynooth_rules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    No Deal is the preferred option of 26% of British people.

    Still frightening that there is a quarter of the country who are brainwashed to pure idiocy.


  • #2321
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,085 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Some very full on comments from the likes of Bercow and others in reaction.

    Boris hoping the house votes no confidence and then election is called?


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  • #2322
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,725 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    brickster69 wrote: »
    It is bigger than Brexit now. It is about MP's going against the wishes of the people. Those who stood on manifesto's to accept and implement those wishes.It could be about any subject really.

    I think most countries in the world would respect the people wishes. Even if they never agreed with them.
    A majority of the electorate voted for, and a majority of MPs were elected, on manifestos to leave *with a deal*. It’s those who seek to leave without a deal who are going against the wishes of the people expressed at the ballot box. Having brayed for so long about the sovereignty of the people, if they had a shred of integrity they would seek a mandate for a no-deal brexit. They don’t, and nobody is in the least surprised, because we’ve known all along that their pretended concern for democracy is nothing but canting hypocrisy, and they will discard it as lightly as Boris Johnson discards his unwanted illegitimate children.


  • #2323
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    brickster69 wrote: »
    No one voted for a deal either. They voted to Leave which is as far as i understand the opposite of remain.


    Sigh..... this reductive crap again.


    Thanks to the muddying of the waters during the election you know full well that people voted leave intending various versions of deal, no deal, Norway+ CU, SM access etc etc. Pretending that everyone voted for Leave full stop regardless of outcome or how it was achieved is absolutely disingenuous and a lie.


  • #2324
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,054 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Anyone else listening to this caller talking about cookies on James O’Brien? He’s saying he voted leave because of the EU’s overarching control over 28 countries, and the only example he can give is that it’s an EU rule to have to click to agree to cookies on a website.

    This is the first time I’ve thought that this must be a plant. No one can be this stupid and be so willing to display their stupidity on national radio.


  • #2325
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    maynooth_rules wrote: »
    Still frightening that there is a quarter of the country who are brainwashed to pure idiocy.

    Yeah, it is. Mind you, people vote for the likes of the Healy-Raes, Lowry etc. so we can't point the finger.


  • #2326
    Colonel Claptrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    No.10 has threatened that in the event of VONC parliament will be dissolved (preventing any attempt to form unity gov) and an election held in 1st week of November.

    Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.


  • #2327
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Shelga wrote: »
    Anyone else listening to this caller talking about cookies on James O’Brien? He’s saying he voted leave because of the EU’s overarching control over 28 countries, and the only example he can give is that it’s an EU rule to have to click to agree to cookies on a website.

    This is the first time I’ve thought that this must be a plant. No one can be this stupid and be so willing to display their stupidity on national radio.

    I listen to LBC most days. That guy had at least half a brain compared to most leavers that call in


  • #2328
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Sigh..... this reductive crap again.


    Thanks to the muddying of the waters during the election you know full well that people voted leave intending various versions of deal, no deal, Norway+ CU, SM access etc etc. Pretending that everyone voted for Leave full stop regardless of outcome or how it was achieved is absolutely disingenuous and a lie.

    Reductio ad absurdum.


  • #2329
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    farmchoice wrote: »
    are you sure about that? i thought under the new fixed term parliament act a VONC trigger a series of events that had to be seen through?

    now i could be wrong and as that act has never been used yet no one seems completely sure what happens.

    Something that occurs to me, the HoC has the opportunity/power to change the fixed term parliament act between Sep 3rd and Sept 9th - or indeed the rules around the proroguing of parliament!

    There's probably a lot of cards that can be played!


  • #2330
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    No, I'm not!

    A vote of no confidence starts a 2 week period in which an alternative government can be built or a general election will be called if it can't.

    The only way back from the precipice is that a national Government is formed.
    By the 15th September, we will have no deal confirmed if that is going to be the result.


  • #2331
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    e can give is that it’s an EU rule to have to click to agree to cookies on a website

    in fairness lol its a stupid EU rule however its not something that would get me to say fk it lets leave the EU


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  • #2332
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah, it is. Mind you, people vote for the likes of the Healy-Raes, Lowry etc. so we can't point the finger.

    Indeed. Not to mention the list of things people cited for voting against the Lisbon Treaty.


  • #2333
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    This is all a Cummings/Nikki Da Costa wheeze


  • #2334
    laurah591
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Can someone advise if plans are still in place for an emergency budget on the 4th of Sept ... alot seems to have happened in the last 24 hours


  • #2335
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Remember they cannot call a GE themselves - need VONC or 2/3 majority for that.


  • #2336
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    trellheim wrote: »
    This is all a Cummings/Nikki Da Costa wheeze

    It's increasingly obvious that Johnson is the gormless glove puppet of the Leave campaign.


  • #2337
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    I think the DUP finally see the bus they’re going under is coming. They’d best tread very carefully with their demands I’d say.

    ‘DUP says terms of the confidence and supply agreement with Tory minority government will be reviewed in advanced of the new parliamentary session’


  • #2338
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭brickster69


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Sigh..... this reductive crap again.


    Thanks to the muddying of the waters during the election you know full well that people voted leave intending various versions of deal, no deal, Norway+ CU, SM access etc etc. Pretending that everyone voted for Leave full stop regardless of outcome or how it was achieved is absolutely disingenuous and a lie.

    Every single household in the UK received a booklet in the post. It explained very clearly what leave meant. That was sent by the Government which wanted to remain.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2339
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I think the DUP finally see the bus they’re going under is coming. They’d best tread very carefully with their demands I’d say.

    ‘DUP says terms of the confidence and supply agreement with Tory minority government will be reviewed in advanced of the new parliamentary session’

    Can't be seen to support Johnson if/when he's putting pressure on Her Majesty.


  • #2340
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Every single household in the UK received a booklet in the post. It explained very clearly what leave meant. That was sent by the Government which wanted to remain.

    What did it say?


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  • #2341
    mrbrianj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭mrbrianj


    Jayus, Boris pushed the button. Didnt think he was that mad!

    Might turn out to be a genius move though - IF - he delivers Brexit for the little englanders, then pretty much straight away signs up to a WA(well, just an A) with a border down the Irish Sea and then straight to a GE.
    Hits Labour, remainers and throws the DUP under the EU bus. - and more importantly for him, delivers a Tory majority.

    Get it wrong and it's a 10 year mess for the UK and the a killer blow to the Tories.


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