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prunudo · 28-08-2019 09:45AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Any action she takes in this situation even inaction is getting involved.

But having her speech 5 weeks after they return from summer recess and therefore not having any debates for 5 weeks is surely frustrating the will of parliament who have previously voted against no deal.

InTheShadows · 28-08-2019 09:45AM

Good news this. The end is nigh and we can all move on.

Larbre34 · 28-08-2019 09:47AM

Ahh thats it, he's f****d it, doubt he'll get another second behind the dispatch box as PM.

Dozens of Tory MPs will be horrified at the very idea of what is being proposed here, it will be an immediate vote of no confidence and an election, which will probably leave Parliament about as divided as it is now, just with different actors.

Popeleo · 28-08-2019 09:49AM

InTheShadows wrote: »

Good news this. The end is nigh and we can all move on.

Far from it. Just the end of the beginning.

CelticRambler · 28-08-2019 09:49AM

Anyone remember Donald Tusk saying, in the dim and distant past: "Please don't waste this time" ...? :rolleyes:

Parliament suspended till the 14th Oct, Queen's speech takes up all of that day's business, leaving Oct 15th and 16th - at best - for the HoC to get its act together in order to have a "reasonable, operational and acceptable" proposition to bring to the EU meeting on the 17th and 18th Oct.

In contrast to other posters here, I cannot see in this any postive effect on Johnson's life-span as PM; rather, it looks like the best he can hope for is to hold the record for Britain's shortest-held premiership.

robinph · 28-08-2019 09:53AM

CelticRambler wrote: »

...it looks like the best he can hope for is to hold the record for Britain's shortest-held premiership.

If you count his time in terms of when parliament was actually active it's barely going to add up to 24 hours.

Seth Brundle · 28-08-2019 09:53AM

InTheShadows wrote: »

Good news this. The end is nigh and we can all move on.

You're happy to see democracy in action?

28-08-2019 09:56AM

Is this not, pretty outrageous?

gooch2k9 · 28-08-2019 09:57AM

AdamD wrote: »

Is this not, pretty outrageous?

It's typical Brexit, deliver the "will of the people" by shutting down their elected parliament. A project of contradictions.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 28-08-2019 09:58AM

The British are really taking Brexit in their stride. Makes your wonder are they right or are they sleepwalking off a cliff?

If this suspension and all the mess over the past while happened in France we would be seeing spectacular protests and riots.

Time to setup a Sterling currency alert on Revolut for the online shopping.

Professor Moriarty · 28-08-2019 10:00AM

Watch the senior civil servants fillet Johnson. Every single secret will be leaked.

Seth Brundle · 28-08-2019 10:05AM

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

The British are really taking Brexit in their stride. Makes your wonder are they right or are they sleepwalking off a cliff?

If this suspension and all the mess over the past while happened in France we would be seeing spectacular protests and riots.

Time to setup a Sterling currency alert on Revolut for the online shopping.

Right about what?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 28-08-2019 10:11AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Right about what?

Right to just go totally going ho on Brexit. I don't think they are but it would be wrong to assume they are stupid, there must be an angle.

My brother reckons one angle might be large scale deregulation post Brexit, particularly in banking and finance in order to make Britain attractive and make the major players successful at the expense of the average British person. Who knows though.

Enzokk · 28-08-2019 10:12AM

This is Ian Dunt's take on this whole episode right now,

Prorogue: The government takes its shot

So we finally get to the meat of it. After months of threats and bluffs to cancel parliament so Boris Johnson can force through no-deal, it looks like the plan is finally revealed.

The news broke today that the government intends to prorogue parliament from around the 12th of September to October 14th, when it will lay out a new Queen's Speech.

First things first: this is not cancelling parliament, as we'd feared over the summer. It does not cross the October 31st line. That means that when you take all the Dominic Cummings-type threats out of it, what their offensive really amounts to is simply limiting the time MPs have available, not stopping them from responding at all.

Basically it comes down to a weak move forced due to the weak position they are in. There is still ample time for MPs to act and the last option is a VONC and caretaker government that can take over and request an extension to allow for a election.

briany · 28-08-2019 10:21AM

Enzokk wrote: »

This is Ian Dunt's take on this whole episode right now,

Prorogue: The government takes its shot

Basically it comes down to a weak move forced due to the weak position they are in. There are still ample time for MPs to act and the last option is a VONC and caretaker government that can take over and request an extension to allow for a election.

Is a GE even enough for an extension at this point? The EU must be getting so fed up at this stage that they'd be looking for definite answers to the questions facing the UK. You could have a situation whereby an extension is granted, a GE is called, and that GE just returns the same impasse. Another 6 months wasted.

CelticRambler · 28-08-2019 10:23AM

Derek Eager Registrar wrote: »

My brother reckons one angle might be large scale deregulation post Brexit, particularly in banking and finance in order to make Britain attractive .

They're not going to make Britain "attractive" by cutting it off from one of its most important markets. A huge proportion of Swiss banking and insurance is routed through London to ensure access to the EU. That'll evaporate on Nov 1st, making London no more attractive than Zurich.

beggars_bush · 28-08-2019 10:23AM

They've already out manouvered Corbyn and other opposition leaders

Stop moaning ffs · 28-08-2019 10:25AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

They've already out manouvered Corbyn and other opposition leaders

Not really. They’ve just shortened the amount of time the opposition has to work against them.

woejus · 28-08-2019 10:26AM

briany wrote: »

Another 6 months wasted.

This wasted time seems to be harming The Brits more than it does the EU. A massive distraction and time suck

brickster69 · 28-08-2019 10:27AM

Checkmate. All we need now is for the EU not to budge

CelticRambler · 28-08-2019 10:28AM

robinph wrote: »

The Queen dieing would be quite useful at the moment as that would put a halt to things for a good while.

Edit: Might be enough for just Prince Philip to shuffle off and would mean they don't bother the Queen for a bit actually.

What about an abdication? I'm imagining the Queen traipsing through the gorse in Balmoral saying "Fekkit. I've had a enough of this shyte. Tell Charles to get his head measured ..."

VinLieger · 28-08-2019 10:29AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Checkmate. All we need now is for the EU not to budge

Hardly, there's multiple things the opposition could still do

FrancieBrady · 28-08-2019 10:31AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Checkmate. All we need now is for the EU not to budge

What has this shambles got to do with the EU?

Water John · 28-08-2019 10:32AM

In fact I think the coalescing of the opposition, forced their hand into the public.
I would say Corbyn's letter tot he 16 Tory MPs trumped the Govn't.
Fair play to him, (reluctantly) changing tack.

Stop moaning ffs · 28-08-2019 10:33AM

Water John wrote: »

In fact I think the coalescing of the opposition, forced their hand into the public.
I would say Corbyn's letter tot he 16 Tory MPs trumped the Govn't.
Fair play to him, (reluctantly) changing tack.

They have over 200 MPs signed on last I saw earlier this morning.

sandbelter · 28-08-2019 10:33AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Checkmate. All we need now is for the EU not to budge

Au contraire, Opening move of the 2019 general election.

robinph · 28-08-2019 10:34AM

CelticRambler wrote: »

What about an abdication? I'm imagining the Queen traipsing through the gorse in Balmoral saying "Fekkit. I've had a enough of this shyte. Tell Charles to get his head measured ..."

That wouldn't trigger the months of national mourning and red top newspapers changing to black, sad songs played on the radio constantly and documentaries on the telly about how wonderful she was though.

brickster69 · 28-08-2019 10:48AM

sandbelter wrote: »

Au contraire, Opening move of the 2019 general election.

Probably yes. However i do not think an election will be purely based on Brexit.

It would be run along the lines of one party who has accepted the vote and respect the wishes of the people v parties who are openly trying to stop the UK leaving full stop. Which is the total opposite of what the promised to do.

bobmalooka · 28-08-2019 10:50AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Probably yes. However i do not think an election will be purely based on Brexit.

It would be run along the lines of one party who has accepted the vote and respect the wishes of the people v parties who are openly trying to stop the UK leaving full stop. Which is the total opposite of what the promised to do.

Ehhhh, that is purely based on brexit is it not?

robinph · 28-08-2019 10:56AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Probably yes. However i do not think an election will be purely based on Brexit.

It would be run along the lines of one party who has accepted the vote and respect the wishes of the people v parties who are openly trying to stop the UK leaving full stop. Which is the total opposite of what the promised to do.

What is that if it's not about Brexit then?

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