Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

Turtyturd · 27-08-2019 05:53PM

.red. wrote: »

Yes in my eyes but I was never a huge fan of Gerrard, fantastic footballer, brilliant captain, club legend etc etc but I don't hold him in such regard as some lesser quality players. I really don't know why!

That won’t go down well with one or two but I agree. Same with Carragher.

For everything he brought I think the Gerrard situation is very similar to Coutinho. He made the team very one dimensional with everything going through him and if the club cashed in on him when he wanted to go it could’ve be a situation where the team as a whole improved

Fitz* · 27-08-2019 05:54PM

Klopp is our head coach and I think he enjoys being head coach only. Our football club is set up to employ experts in their position, be it a centre forward or head scout.

The same way j expect the club to ready to sign a goalscoring right winger to replace Salah if/when he wants to leave all of a sudden, I expect them to have a replacement for Klopp if/when he decides to leave.

Klopp is not the only cog in the club wheel, a very important one he is, but is not the only one. I think we'll employ a like minded coach who is open to working as part of the system with other coaches, scouts, analysts, Michael Edwards etc to continue what they are currently doing.

Don't get me wrong, I hope Klopp stays for a long time
as he has revitalized the club after Rodgers' refusing to be part of that overall system, but the days of a manager ruling the roost at a club, and being in charge of training, tactics, signings etc for 10 years at the same club are long gone. Liverpool are one of the clubs that are actually set up for this new age thinking, and are taking advantage of it more than others.

Harry Palmr · 27-08-2019 06:01PM

A Premier League title would make Henderson the Deschamps of Liverpool!

garra · 27-08-2019 06:59PM

Starfleet Student wrote: »

If Jordan Henderson added captaining Liverpool to a league title ontop of captaining them to a champions league victory would that make him a bigger club legend than Steven Gerrard?

It's only a recent phenomenon that all LFC fans even respect "Mr. Sideways", let alone judge him a legend! Fickle fans can claim whomsoever they want to be a legend, it's the fans that live by YNWA that will remain true legends.

Agent Coulson · 27-08-2019 07:05PM

garra wrote: »

It's only a recent phenomenon that all LFC fans even respect "Mr. Sideways", let alone judge him a legend! Fickle fans can claim whomsoever they want to be a legend, it's the fans that live by YNWA that will remain true legends.

YNWA El Hadji Diouf.

gimli2112 · 27-08-2019 07:35PM

Starfleet Student wrote: »

If Jordan Henderson added captaining Liverpool to a league title ontop of captaining them to a champions league victory would that make him a bigger club legend than Steven Gerrard?

no in my opinion, Henderson captained a fantastic and functioning side to a CL triumph. Steven often dragged a mediocre team through ten years and somehow managed to win one. He had some good players at some times but it's no fluke Torres played the best football of his career ahead of Gerrard. You just can't doubt his importance to the club but hey maybe you can.

BorneTobyWilde · 27-08-2019 07:56PM

Henderson is a captain by the fact he has been there the longest. He's not inspiring on the pitch, but has passion for the club.
He's no Gerrard, a young Gerrard in this side would have won the league last season.

rob316 · 27-08-2019 09:18PM

Gerrard is the clubs greatest captain it's not even up for debate. The goals, the one man team performances, an absolute ****house to rival supporters.
A player that deserved to play with the best but never left us.
A travesty he never won a league title.

SM01 · 27-08-2019 09:35PM

They are/were both great servants for the club. No need to get into the shìte about ranking them or saying one is/was better than the other. Both had flaws but importantly gave 100% for the club and that's what counts to me, just like Dirk, Agger, Fowler etc etc

mikeym · 27-08-2019 10:02PM

Starfleet Student wrote: »

If Jordan Henderson added captaining Liverpool to a league title ontop of captaining them to a champions league victory would that make him a bigger club legend than Steven Gerrard?

Steven Gerrard has single handedly rescued Liverpool from loosing matches over the years when he captained the Reds.

Henderson is a good player and puts in 100% in every game but Gerrard was world class back in the day.

54and56 · 27-08-2019 10:12PM

So Utd are paying more (£7m) this year for Sanchez to NOT play for them than we are paying golden boot winner Sadio Mane (£5m) to play for us.

Think about that and just imagine how fcuked up their organisation is at the moment under the Glazers and Woodward driving the bus from the back seat while Ole's floundering at the wheel

Long may it last.

mikeym · 27-08-2019 10:18PM

54&56 wrote: »

So Utd are paying more (£7m) this year for Sanchez to NOT play for them than we are paying golden boot winner Sadio Mane (£5m) to play for us.

Think about that and just imagine how fcuked up their organisation is at the moment under the Glazers and Woodward driving the bus from the back seat while Ole's floundering at the wheel

Long may it last.

I wish he stayed with them.

BorneTobyWilde · 27-08-2019 10:40PM

Sanchez scored a whole 1 goal last season. He's prolific at not scoring

BorneTobyWilde · 27-08-2019 11:36PM

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bt-sport-pick-champions-league-16823470

Weird. Ours was clearly the best game.

~Rebel~ · 27-08-2019 11:48PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bt-sport-pick-champions-league-16823470

Weird. Ours was clearly the best game.

I can sort of understand that to be honest. Taking the greater context into account, ours was the better game - but actually just taking those 90 minutes in isolation I can totally see the argument for the Spurs game.

As just a standalone 90 minutes, ours was a fairly one sided thrashing, it was a game in which almost everything good came from only one team. What made it amazing was the knowledge of the previous game, and what needed to be done.

But within the 90 minutes of the Spurs Ajax game, both sides did good and bad things. There was a give and take, and a huge shift of momentum over those 90 minutes. One team going 2 up, before the other team fights back with 3 of their own, ending with a winner in the dying seconds.

Can't complain really.

Joe Don Dante · 28-08-2019 02:18AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I can sort of understand that to be honest. Taking the greater context into account, ours was the better game - but actually just taking those 90 minutes in isolation I can totally see the argument for the Spurs game.

As just a standalone 90 minutes, ours was a fairly one sided thrashing, it was a game in which almost everything good came from only one team. What made it amazing was the knowledge of the previous game, and what needed to be done.

But within the 90 minutes of the Spurs Ajax game, both sides did good and bad things. There was a give and take, and a huge shift of momentum over those 90 minutes. One team going 2 up, before the other team fights back with 3 of their own, ending with a winner in the dying seconds.

Can't complain really.

+1

shamrock55 · 28-08-2019 05:04AM

Gobsmacked by some here with the regard they hold for stevie, he's the ultimate legend for me, says alot about the fan who thinks otherwise

marklazarcovic · 28-08-2019 05:22AM

Not a hope klopp takes German team job unless it's his retirement job, he said he's all or nothing in management, sporadic games and meetups with players would drive him nuts I'd imagine.

28-08-2019 05:31AM

Best captain? Crazy Horse surely right up there. Lifted 2 European cups and 4 leagues as captain.

Probably the most exciting era as a Liverpool fan too. The beginning of domination. Shanklys team moving over to Paisley and conquering Europe.

Some times for anyone lucky enough to witness it.

facehugger99 · 28-08-2019 08:19AM

Interesting article from Football365 on the new goalkick law and how Liverpool are seeking to take advantage.

https://www.football365.com/news/klopp-liverpool-goal-kicks-and-marginal-gains

28-08-2019 08:34AM

garra wrote: »

It's only a recent phenomenon that all LFC fans even respect "Mr. Sideways", let alone judge him a legend! Fickle fans can claim whomsoever they want to be a legend, it's the fans that live by YNWA that will remain true legends.

Like any group consisting of millions, a significant proportion of them are likely to be utter mongs.

Gerrard dragged a mediocre team to CL victory after being 3 goals behind at HT, that's the one that everyone remembers but he carried the team through several games a season every season for a decade +.

He excelled as a midfielder, forward and in 2013/2014 as a very deep lying midfielder.

On the field he was exceptional ......... some off field struggles of course.

Most scousers don't give a fiddlers that he's managing Rangers so I don't see why plastic ones reckon it's such an issue tbh.

Bleating Lamb · 28-08-2019 09:07AM

Just wondering from a FF viewpoint do ye Pool fans think that Matip will keep his place longterm?

Seems to be playing well at moment.
Thanks for any thoughts on this.

28-08-2019 09:11AM

I'd imagine Gomez would be preferential, longterm.

BullBlackNova · 28-08-2019 09:12AM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Just wondering from a FF viewpoint do ye Pool fans think that Matip will keep his place longterm?

Seems to be playing well at moment.
Thanks for any thoughts on this.

I think Matip is the default starter barring an injury. His form has been on a par with Van Dijk for quite a while now.

But with Champions League and other midweek games coming up, I won't be the least bit surprised to see Trent Alexander-Arnold and Matip rotated with Gomez quite often. I haven't picked either for my FPL team on that basis - I reckon only Van Dijk and Robertson are certs to start every week - but I may change before the weekend as I'm mid-wildcard.

So, apologies if that wasn't helpful!!

One factor to consider is that Matip doesn't play international football so he should be fresh after a fortnight off after the coming break. You'd expect TAA to be in the England squad and Gomez might actually start one or both games so there could be a case of tiredness on their parts.

BullBlackNova · 28-08-2019 09:27AM

Augeo wrote: »

I'd imagine Gomez would be preferential, longterm.

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I think Matip is the default starter barring an injury. His form has been on a par with Van Dijk for quite a while now.

And that's how certain we are of anything. :pac:

Knex* · 28-08-2019 09:40AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I can sort of understand that to be honest. Taking the greater context into account, ours was the better game - but actually just taking those 90 minutes in isolation I can totally see the argument for the Spurs game.

As just a standalone 90 minutes, ours was a fairly one sided thrashing, it was a game in which almost everything good came from only one team. What made it amazing was the knowledge of the previous game, and what needed to be done.

But within the 90 minutes of the Spurs Ajax game, both sides did good and bad things. There was a give and take, and a huge shift of momentum over those 90 minutes. One team going 2 up, before the other team fights back with 3 of their own, ending with a winner in the dying seconds.

Can't complain really.

Are you this rational all the time in real life as well?

It's actually remarkable how level-headed you are. Especially when it comes to the mad house that this place is and the tribalistic nature of sports fandom in general.

28-08-2019 09:41AM

Knex. wrote: »

Are you this rational all the time in real life as well?

It's actually remarkable how level-headed you are. Especially when it comes to the mad house that this place is and the tribalistic nature of sports fandom in general.

Harry Palmr · 28-08-2019 09:42AM

Don't break up a winning centre back partnership. Gomez will have to bide his time in that regard.

gimli2112 · 28-08-2019 09:55AM

Augeo wrote: »

On the field he was exceptional ......... some off field struggles of course.

Just in relation to this is this the fight he got into when drunk? I keep seeing reference to his issues as a person but my view of him was he was always relatively level headed and down to earth (for a footballer). I mean we've all done things we regret when drunk, well I have, I have a lot but I don't think I'm a bad person.

Ben Stokes was a drunken thug last year and now I see he's being championed as a guardian of the LGBT community because he was actually trying to protect people it now seems. I feel this will be more widely accepted following his heroics last week. (He did something in cricket, it's not really important)

So anyway, while being drunk is not an excuse for your actions what Gerrard did was on the low level of abhorrent behaviour, in my humble and somewhat biased opinion.

Dickerty · 28-08-2019 10:07AM

Augeo wrote: »

I'd imagine Gomez would be preferential, longterm.

He needs to do a lot better. Matip has stepped up considerably, and in particular his understanding with Trent and Virgil are a big part of that. Gomez need to show something that Matip doesn't do, which will be hard to find! I suspect they will be chopping and changing throughout the season...

Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

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