Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

Muahahaha · 19-08-2019 11:32AM

We have given up some amount of chances compared to the closing stages of last year. Do people think its just because the midfield and defence havent been up to speed as yet or because they're still bedding in a new system? Probably a mixture of both really but Klopp showed last season how he could change the system to concede less goals which we did superbly. Id be confident he'll make this change good too. On another note it is refreshing that he is changing things up, if you play the same way for too long teams suss you out.

MD1990 · 19-08-2019 11:41AM

Think with some of our poor defending it is easy to forget some of our play in the 2nd half against Southampton was superb.

We are much more fluent in attack compared to this time last year.

Turtyturd · 19-08-2019 11:58AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Monday Meltdowns were the best!

They’re now called ‘it’s ten minutes since kick off and we haven’t scored’ meltdowns.

Harry Palmr · 19-08-2019 11:59AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

We have given up some amount of chances compared to the closing stages of last year. Do people think its just because the midfield and defence havent been up to speed as yet or because they're still bedding in a new system? Probably a mixture of both really but Klopp showed last season how he could change the system to concede less goals which we did superbly. Id be confident he'll make this change good too. On another note it is refreshing that he is changing things up, if you play the same way for too long teams suss you out.

It's the players not the system - so far we've seen Wiji as DM, Gomez as RB, Adrian in goals it'll settle down even if Klopp is happy to rotate the midfield options as reported in the 10.30 puff pieces last night - that said I'd expect Fabby to be the deepest MF in 75-80% of games.

Someone with a more secure memory can tell me if I'm wrong but it feels like Liverpool play better in the second half in more games than not.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 12:04PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Think with some of our poor defending it is easy to forget some of our play in the 2nd half against Southampton was superb.

We are much more fluent in attack compared to this time last year.

And that's the trade off, our defensive was brilliant last year but the attack wasn't as fluid. By right we should of scored 4 in that half.

doc_17 · 19-08-2019 12:13PM

I think we’re really missing a trick by not taking Coutinho on loan. Cheap loan fee.

gimli2112 · 19-08-2019 12:14PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

They’re now called ‘it’s ten minutes since kick off and we haven’t scored’ meltdowns.

The one I remember from last year was the Newcastle away game. Needed some amount of fortitude to get through the thread in real time. Yet another thing we ended up having to be thankful to Origi for. How's his statue coming along?

gimli2112 · 19-08-2019 12:17PM

doc_17 wrote: »

I think we’re really missing a trick by not taking Coutinho on loan. Cheap loan fee.

I'd agree on the face of it €20 odd million including wages for a year is relatively cheap for a player of his quality. There's probably more too it than that, that his style of play doesn't suit, something perceived wrong with his character or that Klopp simply doesn't like him it could be a lot of things.

SlickRic · 19-08-2019 12:20PM

we've also played 3 teams that decided to play with no fear. if a team commits numbers to attack you, you're going to have issues, no matter who you are.

Norwich, we looked ropey, because they were brave. but we still flattened them 4-1.

Chelsea, we looked ropey, but Lampard plays a style that sees them commit. we still got the cup.

Southampton don't play fearfully either. Hassenhuttl plays in a modern way - counter pressing and attacking in numbers. We were fúcking knackered and still won.

a game a week for the next 2 weeks now. lovely.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 12:24PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

I'd agree on the face of it €20 odd million including wages for a year is relatively cheap for a player of his quality. There's probably more too it than that, that his style of play doesn't suit, something perceived wrong with his character or that Klopp simply doesn't like him it could be a lot of things.

I still don't think they give us that sort of deal. We dumped them out the cl embarrassingly and we won the cl. Makes no sense for them strengthening us.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-08-2019 12:32PM

20m for one season. It's quite a lot. Plus we'd have been shooting ourselves in the foot by taking him, We wanted him to stay put and make the 100th appearance for Barca, as that's worth millions in add ons. Would be silly for us to have took him and prevented that add on kicking in, this move to Bayern is Barca sticking it to us in a way. They get 20m from Bayern in fee and wages, and save another 18m by keeping Coutinho under 100 appearances.

daheff · 19-08-2019 12:43PM

Alonso77 wrote: »

I see Gilesly and a few other pundits pushing this 'high line' defensive approach from Liverpool as 'madness.

I heard this on OTB yesterday. I was thinking that maybe Klopp is doing this because
A- it’s less tiring on players(less chasing back/running after players)
B- we’re short on defenders. Less running means less risk of injury in a game
C- a few defenders started back late to training (iirc?), so not 100% fit

I think once season beds in and people are up to full fitness that we’ll see a revert to last seasons defensive structure

8-10 · 19-08-2019 12:48PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Liverpool Liverpool top of the league :pac:

If United fail to win tonight, Liverpool will play Arsenal at the weekend as the only 2 teams with 6pts. Either way this weekend will already be a game against joint leaders.

Talisman · 19-08-2019 01:04PM

Just been looking at the offsides.

1 : 3 vs Man City
0 : 5 vs Norwich
2 : 11 vs Chelsea
1 : 4 vs Southampton
Average : 1 vs 5.75

Those numbers certainly suggest it's an acceptable risk - the approach is killing a significant number of attacks in each game.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-08-2019 01:05PM

8-10 wrote: »

If United fail to win tonight, Liverpool will play Arsenal at the weekend as the only 2 teams with 6pts. Either way this weekend will already be a game against joint leaders.

It's a big un . Klopp would hold record for straight wins in the league also, joint now at 11 wins with Rafa. Even though this is across two seasons.

Dickerty · 19-08-2019 01:46PM

Talisman wrote: »
Just been looking at the offsides.
2 : 11 vs Chelsea
Those numbers certainly suggest it's an acceptable risk - the approach is killing a significant number of attacks in each game.

Giroud was about 10 of those!

Osmosis Jones · 19-08-2019 01:56PM

We're also currently on the second longest unbeaten home run in PL history with 41 games in a row, still nowhere near Chelsea's record of 86 though.

gimli2112 · 19-08-2019 02:01PM

These jinx statistics have got to stop. The Sky Sports banner kept spouting them out on Saturday. Southampton haven't beaten Liverpool in 11 games, Liverpool have scored x amount of goals conceding y in the past 5 meetings, Liverpool haven't lost an away game since XXXXXX.............

It's like the old one that we never lost when Rush scored and then we did. Fortunately it was nothing important just a League Cup final.

Talisman · 19-08-2019 02:08PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Giroud was about 10 of those!

That may be so but it doesn't really affect the ratio.

Liverpool vs opposition (Man City, Norwich, Southampton) offsides : 2 v 12 -> 1:6

We're catching the opposition out 6 times more than we ourselves are being caught offside. How long this will continue to be an effective strategy is unknown because sooner or later other teams will begin to adopt the strategy.

EDIT: For comparison here are the offside stats for the first 5 games last season, there's a massive difference.

5 v 3 (West Ham)
2 v 2 (Crystal Palace)
1 v 3 (Brighton)
2 v 3 (Leicester)
2 v 3 (Tottenham)
2.4 v 2.8

Wheety · 19-08-2019 03:07PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It's a big un . Klopp would hold record for straight wins in the league also, joint now at 11 wins with Rafa. Even though this is across two seasons.

Did Rafa do 11? I know Rodgers did. While 12 is the all time record :eek:

Klopp is the quickest Liverpool manager in history to reach 300 points. He's done it in 146 games. Took Kenny 150 to do it in the 80s. (I presume that is adjusted for the 80s games to be based on 3pts, but I read it on the LFC website). Edit: It's obviously adjusted or else it would mean that Kenny won his first 150 games

Also the first time we've won our opening 2 games in consecutive seasons since 1993-94 and 1994-95

gimli2112 wrote: »

These jinx statistics have got to stop. The Sky Sports banner kept spouting them out on Saturday. Southampton haven't beaten Liverpool in 11 games, Liverpool have scored x amount of goals conceding y in the past 5 meetings, Liverpool haven't lost an away game since XXXXXX.............

It's like the old one that we never lost when Rush scored and then we did. Fortunately it was nothing important just a League Cup final.

Are these stats ok? :P

Sofa Spud · 19-08-2019 05:30PM

U23's are playing Chelsea at 7pm - water based viewing options are out there - Harvey Elliott, Rhian Brewster, Curtis Jones and Yasser Larouci all starting, so worth a watch.

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Gruijc got a goal for Hertha away to Bayern to put them in front and ultimately got a draw on the first day of the season - fair fcuks to him...

Edit: Hoever, Kelleher and VDB starting too..

Agent Coulson · 19-08-2019 05:32PM

Sofa Spud wrote: »

U23's are playing Chelsea at 7pm - water based viewing options are out there - Harvey Elliott, Rhian Brewster, Curtis Jones and Yasser Larouci all starting, so worth a watch.

Also, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Gruijc got a goal for Hertha away to Bayern to put them in front and ultimately got a draw on the first day of the season - fair fcuks to him...

He also gave away the penalty that cost them the win so maybe not fair fcuks

martyos121 · 19-08-2019 05:46PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He also gave away the penalty that cost them the win so maybe not fair fcuks

It was a fair fcuk up, to be fair.

Turtyturd · 19-08-2019 05:48PM

The offside trap we’re playing reminds me of how we defended free kicks last season. Pundits went on and on about it talking about how we’d be caught out, and every match had numerous posts on here talking about how we ‘got lucky’ multiple times in each game by catching teams offside. Luck has little to do with it, we either catch them off or we don’t and the first mistake will be followed by ‘I told you so’ comments ignoring the 99 times it worked previously. If we implement this as well as the free kick defending there will be nothing to worry about.

Osmosis Jones · 19-08-2019 06:19PM

Seeing pundits say a team got lucky every single time they successfully play an offside trap is so grating

Talisman · 19-08-2019 06:23PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Seeing pundits say a team got lucky every single time they successfully play an offside trap is so grating

In the time of Benitez it was zonal marking.

Harry Palmr · 19-08-2019 06:27PM

Chelsea are playing Rudiger! Cheats. Booooo.

and Michy Batshuayi. Taking the piss

Harry Palmr · 19-08-2019 06:41PM

Kelleher came too soon or too late. Terrible decision. Chelsea well on top. Liverpool playing at half speed for much of this.

Sofa Spud · 19-08-2019 06:42PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Kelleher came too soon or too late. Terrible decision. Chelsea well on top. Liverpool playing at half speed for much of this.

Too late - shame, he's had a few decent saves

Agent Coulson · 19-08-2019 06:47PM

And still some people will call for him to start against Arsenal.

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