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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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    #3272
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,574 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Does the headline "Trump wants to buy Greenland" even make the top 10 most ludicrous stories in the last week from this administration?

    It's just remotely possible that it's a pet project of his NSA, John Bolton, because of Thule US Air Force base, and he may have mentioned it casually to Don. Just on RTE news now, mention of Dons thoughts and a mention that China has allegedly expressed an interest in Greenland itself.


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    #3273
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Does the headline "Trump wants to buy Greenland" even make the top 10 most ludicrous stories in the last week from this administration?


    Didn't they buy Alaska from the Russ Empire 1867, guess everything has a price.


    Greenland won't be cheap (about three fiddy) and green cards for everyone in Denmark too.


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    #3274
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,068 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    CongressWoman Tliab has been given permission to enter Israel, as long as she doesn't promote "boycott activities" (specifically, the "boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement"). For clarity, apparently she was visiting Israel anyway to visit her 90 year old grandmother. Truly, what a monster.

    https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1162284411716456448


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    #3275
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,574 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I can’t see how Trump counts on and courts the ‘very fine people’ in his country who hate Jews and still seems to be buddies with Israel’s leader.
    How do you reconcile that

    When it comes to Don, its impossible to reconcile a lot of what he says with reality, and that includes his in-laws, excepting it's all based on the aspect of the businessman in him.

    As for Ben Netanyahu, I keep in mind that he lost his brother as commander of the rescue mission of the Entebbe hostages, giving him reason [in his mind] for a disrespect for non-Israelis and a fondness for Eretz-Israel.

    I'd imagine that Ben N has a healthy disrespect for Don when it comes to his friendliness with Ibn-Saud, though that friendship is on the basis of Ibn-Saud being more likable [at the moment] to Iran. Remove Iran from the equation and.... but that's a whole other NSA matter worthy of another thread.


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    #3276
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    I can’t see how Trump counts on and courts the ‘very fine people’ in his country who hate Jews and still seems to be buddies with Israel’s leader.
    How do you reconcile that
    $38 billion in military aid ($33 billion in Foreign Military Financing grants plus $5 billion in missile defense appropriations) to Israel. This MOU replaces a previous $30 billion 10-year agreement, which runs through FY2018.
    38 billion goes a long way to ignore certain areas of Trump; esp. as he's going to help fight the evil powers around there (i.e. whom ever happen to be easiest to bully).


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    #3277
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭serfboard


    aloyisious wrote: »
    I'd imagine that Ben N has a healthy disrespect for Don when it comes to his friendliness with Ibn-Saud, though that friendship is on the basis of Ibn-Saud being more likable [at the moment] to Iran.
    The Israelis and Saudis are quite friendly at the moment based on their shared emnity of Iran. The Saudis don't give a sh1t about the Palestinians either, despite some lip-service being paid to "pan-Arab nationalism" (whatever that currently means).


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    #3278
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,577 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I stand by my argument that Trump is in fact a comedian.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1162002141172633600

    It must be all an act. It must be. Nobody is this stupid.


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    #3279
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I stand by my argument that Trump is in fact a comedian.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1162002141172633600

    It must be all an act. It must be. Nobody is this stupid.

    He is a tremendous coward.

    He is in trade war with them. Why not back the protestors?


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    #3280
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Makes sense they should want an extra 2,166,086 km2, maybe they will ask for the Faroe Is too.
    Make Greenland great again!

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    #3281
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Bull****, I don't care about their skin colour, I care about the fact that Omar laughs about Jihad and discusses it lightly like it's no big deal, they are anti semites that HATE Israel.


    The fact that Israel have banned them says a lot too, they don't f*ck up on intelligence.

    You are the ones making it about race.

    Interesting. You say that about Omar and AOC, but not about Bernie Sanders?

    Here we have a Jewish man, very much against the Israeli -invasion- of Palestine and a direct supporter of Omar and AOC. Is he anti-semetic? You do know it's possible to oppose the illegal invasion of Palestine and the West Bank by the Israeli state and not dislike Jewish people?

    edit: The tweet in question.

    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1162125723060113409


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    #3282
    everlast75
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    Arthur Green Self-help wrote: »
    Makes sense they should want an extra 2,166,086 km2, maybe they will ask for the Faroe Is too.
    Make Greenland great again!

    uSZwwgY.png

    They could tell him Greenland is part of the U.S. and he wouldn't know.

    He doesn't even know Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.


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    #3283
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭amandstu


    everlast75 wrote: »
    They could tell him Greenland is part of the U.S. and he wouldn't know.

    He doesn't even know Puerto Rico is part of the U.S.
    He must have thought it was Iceland :):o


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    #3284
    Dog Man Star
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Dog Man Star


    Trump has realised he has jumped the gun in preparation for the election, a whopping 14 months from now. A recession is beginning, but Trump has miscalculated the timing. It will become very apparent at least 6 months before the election, perhaps more like 10 months. A barrage of tweets has attempted to distract publicity from the Dow Jones collapsing.

    The mis-directions will be overwhelming now, to distract from this recession. The economy is all he has to hang onto and, as night follows day, it has turned.

    It is likely the total lack of 'adults in the room' will accelerate the recession. Certainly there is no one there with experience nor qualifications. Couple that with his pressure on Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve, to DECREASE interest rates in this economic environment (beyond moronic) and Powell actually implementing this, it is likely the recession will accelerate.

    Fox News latest polls has Trump losing against the four Democratic leaders. Fox seems to be anticipating the collapse of Trump's administration, exactly as they did towards the end of GW Bush's term, turning their attention onto Obama and attacking him before he was elected.

    With the economy in decline, Trump is done for. I suspect he will throw everything he can at delaying the recession, which will do nothing but accelerate it. Mueller can get the cuffs ready now.


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    #3285
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Arthur Green Self-help wrote: »
    Didn't they buy Alaska from the Russ Empire 1867, guess everything has a price.


    Greenland won't be cheap (about three fiddy) and green cards for everyone in Denmark too.

    Truman tried to buy it in 1945 for $100 million. The Danes wouldn't hear of it.

    There's going to be a massive chase for minerals in Greenland as the ice recedes. It will be a very strategic territory in due course.


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    #3286
    Dog Man Star
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Dog Man Star


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Truman tried to buy it in 1945 for $100 million. The Danes wouldn't hear of it.

    There's going to be a massive chase for minerals in Greenland as the ice recedes. It will be a very strategic territory in due course.

    Jesus, are you seriously discussing this crap? Stop embarrassing yourself.

    Trump is a renowned idiot. We all know that. You, discussing this like it's an option is embarrassing.


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    #3287
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Jesus, are you seriously discussing this crap? Stop embarrassing yourself.

    Trump is a renowned idiot. We all know that. You, discussing this like it's an option is embarrassing.

    CNN and others are running it as a headline, Trump must be laughing his head off. Just another distraction from his crazy list of distractions. I despair at the idiocy of mainstream media sometimes.


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    #3288
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Cody montana wrote: »
    I’m very anti Israel and would never visit because of their treatment of Palestine and their people.
    I don’t want them gone, I want them to stop.

    Links to where they hate America please?

    And, for the avoidance of doubt, the fact that you are anti-Israel for the reasons stated is entirely legitimate, and in no way reflects an anti-Semitic point of view. However, Israeli sympathisers will be very quick to paint you as anti-Semitic just because you hold those views. A lot of that is what is going on with Tlaib and Omar.


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    #3289
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Jesus, are you seriously discussing this crap? Stop embarrassing yourself.

    Trump is a renowned idiot. We all know that. You, discussing this like it's an option is embarrassing.

    Your invective-laden reply adds absolutely nothing of value. If you have anything to add to the information in the post, go ahead and post it.


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    #3290
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Jesus, are you seriously discussing this crap? Stop embarrassing yourself.

    Trump is a renowned idiot. We all know that. You, discussing this like it's an option is embarrassing.

    He makes a valid point.


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    #3291
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Stallingrad wrote: »
    Just another distraction from his crazy list of distractions.
    Yes indeed, employing a "dead cat" strategy as described by, guess who? Boris Johnson.
    Boris Johnson wrote:
    Let us suppose you are losing an argument. The facts are overwhelmingly against you, and the more people focus on the reality the worse it is for you and your case. Your best bet in these circumstances is to perform a manoeuvre that a great campaigner describes as “throwing a dead cat on the table, mate”.

    That is because ... one thing that is absolutely certain about throwing a dead cat on the dining room table ... is that everyone will shout “Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!”; in other words they will be talking about the dead cat, the thing you want them to talk about, and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief.


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    #3292
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    And, for the avoidance of doubt, the fact that you are anti-Israel for the reasons stated is entirely legitimate, and in no way reflects an anti-Semitic point of view. However, Israeli sympathisers will be very quick to paint you as anti-Semitic just because you hold those views. A lot of that is what is going on with Tlaib and Omar.

    Trump is trying to paint these women as anti Jewish.
    The majority of Jewish member in congress are Democrats.
    Jewish people predominantly vote for the Democrats.

    Trump has nothing.


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    #3293
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,494 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Couple that with his pressure on Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve, to DECREASE interest rates in this economic environment (beyond moronic) and Powell actually implementing this, it is likely the recession will accelerate.

    Sorry, I know you are on the extreme anti-Trump end, which I've no issue with, but the above is fundamentally incorrect.

    Those actions are precisely what any developed countries central bank does at the risk of recession.

    You cut rates to make money cheaper to try encourage people to borrow, spend & boost the economy.


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    #3294
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Multiple sources reporting that workers had to attend the Trump rally, or else they wouldn't be paid

    https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1162560874277724165?s=19


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    #3295
    Nody
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    spacecoyote wrote: »
    Sorry, I know you are on the extreme anti-Trump end, which I've no issue with, but the above is fundamentally incorrect.

    Those actions are precisely what any developed countries central bank does at the risk of recession.

    You cut rates to make money cheaper to try encourage people to borrow, spend & boost the economy.
    No because a recession tends to come after a time of over heated economy; you lower the interest rates when you are IN the recession not at the top of the economy when it's overheated (which is what Trump has been whining about) to help kick start it again and reduce the impact of the recession.

    Now what will happen is instead that the interest rates are going to help fuel the overheating and remove the space to lower then during the actual recession instead. That in turn will ensure the recession will cut deeper and last longer.


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    #3296
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,113 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    There is very much an argument to be made for that, but you will find that often to attempt to keep an economy going, not letting it slip into recession the central bank or fed will cut interest rates to try to keep the good times going.

    Currently more than 30 central banks are or will be cutting rates in a response to the looming recession.

    The problem with this, from an EU point of view is that the rates are and have been so low for so long that when the recession does kick in, we will be in a liquidity trap and obviously depending on severity of the contraction that could be disastrous.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3297
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,258 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This author was prescient in 2016 predicting Trump's election. The 'politics of resentment' is what's in force in the US. He has good definitions, too: The welfare class, the wage class, the salaried class and the investment class. Highly recommended reading for those trying to understand why America is where it was in 2016, how a reality-show star could hit the right marks to enough people, and with some external help, get elected.

    Nothing's changed since Trump got elected, unfortunately. His "Decline and Fall of Hilary Clinton' is a good read too.

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2016-01-21/donald-trump-and-the-politics-of-resentment/


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    #3298
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Mod: No insults please.


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    #3299
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    US election 2020 posts moved to this thread:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057893861&page=64


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    #3300
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,265 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Hearing some analysis on how Trump has to run his campaign.

    He cannot run on any success. He hasn't built the wall, Mexico has paid for nothing, he hasn't provided infrastructure, he hasn't tackled big pharma, Hillary isn't locked up, the swamp isn't drained, people are fundamentally not tired of winning.

    The only thing he can run on is the bogeyman Democrats and how they want to take away your plastic straws and the race card.


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    #3301
    rossie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    His campaign will be simple enough

    Greatest economy ever.. elect my opponent and it collapses
    I beat ISIS.. elect my opponent and USA will crumble under Islamic terrorism
    I alone saved the world from war with Russia and North Korea.. my opponent will start World War 3
    I alone stopped all the murdering, drug and rape gangs entering our southern border.. my opponent will allow completely open borders
    I am the only one that can keep your guns safe.. my opponent will take all your guns away
    You don't want to vote in a socialist/communist do you. They will try to socialise everything including the military and even your medicare. Vote my opponent and the US will become Venezuela.


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