The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 10:43PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Fair enough. I’m not a Mayo man so I don’t really care but in fairness 2017 was a year they went all around the country in qualifiers, presumably that adds serious expense?

Over €1.5m in 2017 as well according to this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/cost-running-gaa-inter-county-11984360.amp

Edit - same figures as I gave earlier, this is from the same year.

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 10:47PM

ClanofLams wrote: »

I don’t know. But mileage is called that because you get a certain amount per mile to cover fuel expenses, although there is usually a surplus out of it. Given Mayo players are now not driving, I highly doubt they would be allowed to claim it.

I’d be a bit more cynical than you mo chara.

I’d say there might be some agreement in place whereby players can claim a certain mileage allowing for a minimum distance regardless of how they get there.

This is in no way aimed at Mayo by the way... and I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not.

Last Stop · 13-08-2019 10:48PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Not dismissing your other points but just noting really this needs to be done regardless of how many all irelands any one team is winning because it would be for the long term popularity of the game.

Funny, I was fearful over the backlash over suggesting this but I agree that this is a bigger risk than Dublin’s dominance. If we start (dare I say continue) picking players because they are a certain size and physique while casting aside gifted footballers then we’re in big trouble!!

Beechwoodspark · 13-08-2019 10:49PM

Also you can’t really compare mayo to Dublin population wise

Dublin (as currently constituted) always has the inherent huge advantage of population

Hence the need to divide it into 4

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 10:54PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I’d be a bit more cynical than you mo chara.

I’d say there might be some agreement in place whereby players can claim a certain mileage allowing for a minimum distance regardless of how they get there.

This is in no way aimed at Mayo by the way... and I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not.

Fair enough. To be honest I wouldn’t be against lads getting a few euro if they are traveling for seven hours a few times a week but there should be transparency around it - I suppose the problem would be lads in Dublin Cork, Galway, etc who aren’t doing any traveling wouldn’t be too pleased. Some sort of general allowance would possibly be better.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 11:03PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

ClanofLams wrote: »

It is not solely down to funding, you of course need to have good people overseeing things too in management admin etc

But funding is a substantial factor in why Dublin footballers both men and women’s are enjoying their best decade in history. And why their hurlers are enjoying their best decade in sixty plus years.

The massive disparity in funding cannot be justified.

But yet they are only really holding thier own to Rugby in the capital - there was a fear that Dublin would become a Soccer and Rugby city.
That was the justification for the funding to promote the games in the largest county in Ireland in the face of competition from other sports.

No one has an issue helping the gaa compete anywhere including in Dublin.
All it takes is a couple of AI victories to resurrect interest in gaa in Dublin. Then cut back the funding and give it to other counties who are struggling and to help foster rivalries. The gaa have completely screwed up the funding model and killed neutral interest in the sport.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 11:04PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You must think I have no life outside of boards.ie. I come on here occassionally when I have time.

So dial it back there pal.

Where did I criticise your bad spelling? You okay pal?

I noted a few mistyped words in my post earlier but I was ninja typing with the boss behind me. Were they too impenetrable for you? And so what? You know when you're beating someone when they bring up spelling.

Frank, you've become my white whale. For weeks you have destroyed different threads all across the GAA forum and seemingly done it with impunity.

Now we have a thread devoted to your favourite topic so you're more than welcome to make accusations and assertions but you better back them up.

This isn't After Hours so I would generally expect links and evidence to anything I would read and not just nonsensical rants.

So, I'm just going to keep waiting you out while you change the subject or move the goalposts. I'm very very patient.

So again, You made some assertions earlier which I responded to. Surely you might have something to say on the subject? You love having the last word after all.

Beechwoodspark · 13-08-2019 11:10PM

There needs to be serious progress made come congress. It’s widely accepted at this stage that this level of uncompetitiveness can’t continue

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 11:10PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Also you can’t really compare mayo to Dublin population wise

Dublin (as currently constituted) always has the inherent huge advantage of population

Hence the need to divide it into 4

Cork has a larger playing population than Dublin. Would you split them in 5 or 6?

Kilkenny and Kerry are far more successful. How many times should we split them?

odyssey06 · 13-08-2019 11:13PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Also you can’t really compare mayo to Dublin population wise
Dublin (as currently constituted) always has the inherent huge advantage of population
Hence the need to divide it into 4

Brazil has multiples of the population of other soccer powers. Germany and Russia have multiples in UEFA.

You dont hear this kind of stuff from the other soccer nations. If Belgium, Croatia, Holland, England, Portugal, Uruguay, Chile or Argentina came out with this stuff theyd be a global laughing stock and rightly so.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 11:13PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Also you can’t really compare mayo to Dublin population wise

Dublin (as currently constituted) always has the inherent huge advantage of population

Hence the need to divide it into 4

Is that the only solution?

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 11:18PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Is that the only solution?

For the begrudgers it’s the only solution.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 11:19PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Brazil has multiples of the population of other soccer powers. Germany and Russia have multiples in UEFA.

You dont hear this kind of stuff from the other soccer nations. If Belgium, Croatia, Holland, England, Portugal, Uruguay, Chile or Argentina came out with this stuff theyd be a global laughing stock and rightly so.

It’s not a national league to be fair. American sports might be a good comparison in that they are localised and mainly played in America although baseball and basketball in particular are popular in some other countries. They use a draft system and salary caps to try to keep leagues fair.

I’m not advocating splitting Dublin but certainly the funding situation needs to addressed as a matter of priority. I’m not sure how the GAA are going to do that, it’s presumably difficult to reduce Dublin’s funding as it would probably involve redundancies etc. The alternative is to come up with x million to invest in other counties.

Beechwoodspark · 13-08-2019 11:24PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

For the begrudgers it’s the only solution.

Not a begrudger

Just want fairness and equitable treatment so that we have a genuinely competitive senior championship and not the mad situation that has been allowed to develop.

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 11:25PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not a begrudger

Just want fairness and equitable treatment so that we have a genuinely competitive senior championship and not the mad situation that has been allowed to develop.

Then answer my questions to you from earlier in Post 640.

blanch152 · 13-08-2019 11:29PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I’d be a bit more cynical than you mo chara.

I’d say there might be some agreement in place whereby players can claim a certain mileage allowing for a minimum distance regardless of how they get there.

This is in no way aimed at Mayo by the way... and I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not.

My understanding is that they get the mileage regardless of how they travel. That was an agreement with Revenue.

It means that players from counties like Mayo make an awful lot of money for playing football, certainly compared to somewhere like Dublin.

Beechwoodspark · 13-08-2019 11:30PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Cork has a larger playing population than Dublin. Would you split them in 5 or 6?

Kilkenny and Kerry are far more successful. How many times should we split them?

Wouldn’t split cork nor KK or Kerry

Dublin have a number of unique advantages

Population

Fantastic personnel and facilities in a small geographical area

Financial doping (huge funding which is denied to every other county)

To address this I would suggest dividing into 4 for a trial period so that a sense of competitiveness is restored.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 11:32PM

blanch152 wrote: »

My understanding is that they get the mileage regardless of how they travel. That was an agreement with Revenue.

It means that players from counties like Mayo make an awful lot of money for playing football, certainly compared to somewhere like Dublin.

Is that public or what you heard out of interest?

lotmc · 13-08-2019 11:34PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Also you can’t really compare mayo to Dublin population wise

Dublin (as currently constituted) always has the inherent huge advantage of population

Hence the need to divide it into 4

Why divide Dublin? Is it to bring them down to the level of other counties?

Surely it would be better to merge counties in order to give them the scale advantages that would bring them up to Dublin’s standard.

If we are to deviate from the one county : one team model that has prevailed for so long, then it should be to improve, rather than disimprove, standards.

That’s what it will never happen.

bobbysands81 · 13-08-2019 11:36PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Wouldn’t split cork nor KK or Kerry

Dublin have a number of unique advantages

Population

Fantastic personnel and facilities in a small geographical area

Financial doping (huge funding which is denied to every other county)

To address this I would suggest dividing into 4 for a trial period so that a sense of competitiveness is restored.

That makes no sense.

You don’t want to split the largest or most successful counties but you want to split Dublin into 4? It can only be explained by begrudgery.

blanch152 · 13-08-2019 11:50PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There needs to be serious progress made come congress. It’s widely accepted at this stage that this level of uncompetitiveness can’t continue

Widely accepted by who? Boards posters? Mayo people?

What exactly are they proposing for Congress? Amalgamations to improve competitiveness? Splitting Kerry as the winner of most All-Irelands in two?

Seriously, a few people on an internet board raging with jealousy about Dublin's achievements are the least likely people to bring about change.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 11:59PM

blanch152 wrote: »

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I’d be a bit more cynical than you mo chara.

I’d say there might be some agreement in place whereby players can claim a certain mileage allowing for a minimum distance regardless of how they get there.

This is in no way aimed at Mayo by the way... and I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not.

My understanding is that they get the mileage regardless of how they travel. That was an agreement with Revenue.

It means that players from counties like Mayo make an awful lot of money for playing football, certainly compared to somewhere like Dublin.

And players from Dublin make an awful lot in appearance fees. Swings and roundabouts.

Fann Linn · 14-08-2019 12:03AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And players from Dublin make an awful lot in appearance fees. Swings and roundabouts.

Because they're worth it.

ToBeFrank123 · 14-08-2019 12:09AM

Splitting Dublin would be the minority view and I wouldn't share it. Nor would I support amalgamations. Ending local rivalries would kill attendences as I suspect would a tier 2 competition.

You rescue gaelic football by fostering rivalries such as Dublon v Meath, Cork v Kerry, Mayo v Galway, Tyrone v Donegal and many others.

The more counties you have at a very high level the better.

In any case I don't believe gaelic football is salvagable. Attendences at games between historic rivals such as Cork and Kerry or Dublin and Meath have collapsed and are only going one way. People in Cork have lost interest in the football and even though on the field the signs are promising, its going to be difficult to build up support again.

The attendence at the Kerry v Tyrone game indicates a serious issue. The GAA can confront it or else talk about a tier 2 competition while everything collapses around them.

In any case we all know the GAA are hopelessly incompetent for numerous reasons.

ClanofLams · 14-08-2019 12:11AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I love this thread. All the ****e in one place. Keep it going lads, it makes great reading.

Like with almost every debate there’s ****e on both sides.

Ya have lads saying Dublin footballers don’t work etc and then you have lads saying Dublin men’s footballers and women footballers enjoying their greatest decade in history, Dublin hurlers and hurling clubs at competitive levels unthinkable fifteen years ago, increased juvenile success, etc is coincidentally happening at the same time and a massive increase in funding fifteen to twenty years is not a substantial factor in such widespread success.

ClanofLams · 14-08-2019 12:27AM

blanch152 wrote: »

My understanding is that they get the mileage regardless of how they travel. That was an agreement with Revenue.

It means that players from counties like Mayo make an awful lot of money for playing football, certainly compared to somewhere like Dublin.

This document from Revenue would suggest that is inaccurate as expenses must ‘put the individual in position to attend’. If they are going by bus no expenses based on that.

https://learning.gaa.ie/sites/default/files/Revenue%20Guidelines.pdf

blanch152 · 14-08-2019 12:28AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Is that public or what you heard out of interest?

Can't be bothered digging it up but there were newspaper reports a few years ago around the deals done by Revenue and the GAA.

Strumms · 14-08-2019 12:30AM

I love the idea of amalgamations

Killkerry vs Dublin
Galcommon vs Dublin
Wexterford vs Dublin
Sliork vs Dublin

Can Dublin have an amalgamation too ?

Dubdare vs Xxxx

blanch152 · 14-08-2019 12:32AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And players from Dublin make an awful lot in appearance fees. Swings and roundabouts.

Have only come across Dublin players doing charity gigs for no appearance fees. You may be right but I haven't seen it.

ClanofLams · 14-08-2019 12:32AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Can't be bothered digging it up but there were newspaper reports a few years ago around the deals done by Revenue and the GAA.

Fair enough, the link I posted above would suggest expenses couldn’t be claimed from bus travel, in which case Mayo lads would actually be giving up cash by traveling on bus.

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