Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

BorneTobyWilde · 07-08-2019 04:59PM

Shaq to Monaco, Liverpool demand 36m

https://www.blick.ch/sport/fussball/zweistelliger-millionen-lohn-monaco-jagt-nati-star-xherdan-shaqiri-id15454107.html?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=social_user&utm_campaign=blick_app_iOS

Not likely .

Agent Coulson · 07-08-2019 05:01PM

Swap him for Balde.

Sofa Spud · 07-08-2019 06:56PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Shaq to Monaco, Liverpool demand 36m

https://www.blick.ch/sport/fussball/zweistelliger-millionen-lohn-monaco-jagt-nati-star-xherdan-shaqiri-id15454107.html?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=social_user&utm_campaign=blick_app_iOS

Not likely .

Nonsense click bait - said he'd already turned down a move to China this window....

Kids are about to kick off against Oldham, Sepp and Elliot start, water based viewing options are out there.

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 06:58PM

ERG89 wrote: »

Find the transfer activity a bit baffling this summer tbh. Even the outgoings. The bosman's should have been sold already same with Clyne who got injured after we played him so will leave for nothing next summer. Signing Adrian should have happened 6 weeks ago instead we gave Mignolet games and brought a goalie who was a free agent to the states for a glorified holiday. Even Mignolet we got the bare minimum fee for him at the end of the day.

Would have been nice to have the backup keeper in sooner, but, like it doesn't really matter... as for the fee, that felt like good will on the clubs part, giving him a move back to Belgium to a team who could not otherwise have afforded him.

Wilson going on a flat loan with no obligation to buy which even we got with Danny Ings.

Think this is backwards - for anything less than 25 million, the club would rather see how he gets on in the premier league.

The lack of incomings then....if there is one thing our preseason showed was the disparity between the starting XI and our squad. People can say Klopp likes to wait for his signings but the only thing that held up Van Dijk then was waiting to sell Coutinho we still paid the quoted fee to Southampton anyway.

No... the only thing that held up VVD was being caught tapping him up and having to pull back with a public apology for 6 months. Had Klopp not been caught, they'd have bought him before the Coutinho story even started.

But if you can't sign a senior player after you win the Champions League and even just the financial windfall of just playing in the Premier League I don't know when you can. I can see us not buying in January as usually it's dead unless you lose a key player so potentially we could go 2 years without signing a player who could make the senior team which is odd for a team who just made 2 Champions League finals the last 15 months.

As with many of us, i'd rather we brought in more depth - especially at fullback - but there's a difference between "can't sign a senior player" and "choose not to sign a senior player". For better or worse he's happy with what he has. Dunno where you're getting you're getting your 2 years from - that would imply we didn't sign anyone for the senior team last year, when obviously we vastly improved last summer.

charolais0153 · 07-08-2019 07:01PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sure even if we signed Messi tomorrow he probably wouldn't get a proper full game till January anyway the way Klopp works.

We would then have calls to sell him in November by some.

Was slightly funny the first time, not funny the 2nd time and hasn't been funny since, you truly are tiring

.G. · 07-08-2019 07:02PM

Why not wait and see who signs who before fretting about it?

Worried about Coutinho going to Spurs then he turns them down, worried for nothing.

Worried about Eriksen/Dybala going to United then they turn them down, same as.

Whoever signs who it still may not make them stronger and no reason why we can't be without signing anyone given the players who played very little last season should play much more this one.

In short, leave the fretting until it's warranted if we've started the season sh!te and our rivals are miles ahead which won't happen if the performance second half against City is anything to go by.

ERG89 · 07-08-2019 07:09PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Would have been nice to have the backup keeper in sooner, but, like it doesn't really matter... as for the fee, that felt like good will on the clubs part, giving him a move back to Belgium to a team who could not otherwise have afforded him.

Think this is backwards - for anything less than 25 million, the club would rather see how he gets on in the premier league.

No... the only thing that held up VVD was being caught tapping him up and having to pull back with a public apology for 6 months. Had Klopp not been caught, they'd have bought him before the Coutinho story even started.

As with many of us, i'd rather we brought in more depth - especially at fullback - but there's a difference between "can't sign a senior player" and "choose not to sign a senior player". For better or worse he's happy with what he has. Dunno where you're getting you're getting your 2 years from - that would imply we didn't sign anyone for the senior team last year, when obviously we vastly improved last summer.

Had we bid 75m for Van Dijk they'd have taken it but he wasn't coming in without Coutinho going & Barca went for Dembele that summer instead.
As far as match goes this past January we didnt sign anyone, this summer the same, I don't expect us to spend in January as nobody in the league really did this past January, so that would be no new signings until summer 2020. How far is that from last summer???? 2 years yeah??

As far as choosing to buy I don't believe for a second Klopp didn't want anyone in after missing out on the league by a point. The money wasn't there this summer, the reason for that I don't know.

Starfleet Student · 07-08-2019 07:16PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Was slightly funny the first time, not funny the 2nd time and hasn't been funny since, you truly are tiring

Your obsession with Coulson and Turtyturd and constant quoting of them to have a dig is more tiring. That post is from yesterday and yet you continue this crap by dragging comments back into conversation. You constantly do this please stop and let it rest you don't like there posts good we all know now. So do yourself and the rest of us a favour and put them on ignore. That goes for everyone else who has a hardon for those posters just ignore them and stop quoting them and continuing on the bull**** in this thread.

redzerdrog · 07-08-2019 07:20PM

I have a feeling there is someone big lined up for Jan or next summer

chicorytip · 07-08-2019 07:22PM

SlickRic wrote:

i've said it before - we should be all over Zaha. even if it's Â£60m. he'd have to be ok with being a squad player, but if he was, it's a no-brainer.

SlickRic wrote:

also, Zaha can cover every forward position. he'd be the perfect guy if any of the front 3 needed a rest because the step down in pace, trickery and all round quality would not be as drastic as it currently is.

Zaha is a no-brainer alright but not in the sense you mean. Watching him play is frustrating enough, managing him must be an ordeal.

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 07:26PM

ERG89 wrote: »

Had we bid 75m for Van Dijk they'd have taken it but he wasn't coming in without Coutinho going & Barca went for Dembele that summer instead.
As far as match goes this past January we didnt sign anyone, this summer the same, I don't expect us to spend in January as nobody in the league really did this past January, so that would be no new signings until summer 2020. How far is that from last summer???? 2 years yeah??

As far as choosing to buy I don't believe for a second Klopp didn't want anyone in after missing out on the league by a point. The money wasn't there this summer, the reason for that I don't know.

Ah I see where you're going with that, but it's a bit disingenuous to be saying we wont have added anyone for 2 years, when one of those two years is spent entirely bedding in a whole bunch of new players. It doesn't reflect the reality of someone coming in, and steadily becoming a part of things over a reasonable period of time. I mean, we're not at all starting this next season the way we started last. Fabinho didn't play much for the first 4 months. Keita didn't play much for the first 6. Those guys are there from the off now.

And I agree there are people he'd have wanted, but as he's done before, if the right option isn't available, he'd rather stick with the fully functioning collective unit as it is. It was never gonna be a mega-signing anyway, and that's fair enough, given the massive contracts handed out to keep the squad together (where after every other 2nd place finish we've lost key players). I dunno man, I think you're getting more stressed about all this than is necessarily warranted.

For VVD, they'd have probably gotten the deal done one way or another if they didn't get caught tapping him up. They had to apologize and pull back before the Cout nonsense ever even started.

Turtyturd · 07-08-2019 08:08PM

Hope everyone gets through tomorrow ok. There’s bound to be clubs linked to players they have no chance of signing which could make some jealous.

not yet · 07-08-2019 08:09PM

.G. wrote: »

Why not wait and see who signs who before fretting about it?

Worried about Coutinho going to Spurs then he turns them down, worried for nothing.

Worried about Eriksen/Dybala going to United then they turn them down, same as.

Whoever signs who it still may not make them stronger and no reason why we can't be without signing anyone given the players who played very little last season should play much more this one.

In short, leave the fretting until it's warranted if we've started the season sh!te and our rivals are miles ahead which won't happen if the performance second half against City is anything to go by.

But I like fretting, It's my comfort blanket..

Utopia Parkway · 07-08-2019 08:11PM

Looks like nobody is being added to the squad as has been flagged in the media since mid June. Between Klopp, Edwards and FSG they obviously decided early on that they weren't going to spend money this Summer. Can't help but be a bit disappointed and a little concerned. I don't believe we actually needed to bring in all that much apart from a decent back up LB (which wouldn't have been expensive) and one quality versatile attacker to rotate with the three lads up front. Now that player probably would have cost a bit alright.

My thinking on it is Klopp is not going to be here forever (doubts that he will extend his contract) and this squad is not going to be together forever. So you strike while you are close and push the boat out a little bit if you have to. As it is it feels like we are gambling again on the fitness of certain players and they they won't be run into the ground from non stop football. We got away with it last season. My sense is we probably won't get away with it again. Someone important is going to miss significant time with an injury and we'll all be whinging about it mid season when Div is starting every game for two months.

Klopp and the owners have certainly done enough to earn the trust of any supporter but I just have a nagging feeling we are missing an opportunity to strengthen while we are European champions.

NukaCola · 07-08-2019 08:12PM

Who rotates with Robertson at LB? Will Milner fit in when needed? LB is my only real concern with the squad right now. I think we'll see a lot of players filling in different roles but think by not adding a LB we left ourselves short.

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 08:18PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Who rotates with Robertson at LB? Will Milner fit in when needed? My only concern with the squad right now. I think we'll see a lot of players filling in different roles but think by not adding a LB we left ourselves short.

That's the spot i'd be unsure of as well. I'd imagine it's Milner, but that changes a lot of how the team can play.... far from like-for-like. Unless Larouci is being seen as a genuine option (didn't look ready yet, judging from preseason), or Lewis (still not quite a like-for-like, but a little further in his development than Larouci).

I was equally unsure about right back, but Hoever was immense in preseason, so im actually ok with that. And Gomez of course, though i'm always afraid he's gonna break an ankle or something out there.

I see a few mentions that we got lucky with injuries last season... we did to an extent, in that they didn't happen up front, but still had loads of injuries across the board. Our defence was completely decimated at one point in January, and plenty of the midfielders faced hefty spells out. Like last year, I think a lot of our running will come from midfield - that's where the high intensity press will be most active, since we have so much depth there so can properly rotate. I'm expecting them to take some of the covering weight off TAA and Robertson, and some of the attacking weight off the front 3. They'll just be run into the ground, with a different trio making up each game.

Turtyturd · 07-08-2019 08:28PM

Right back would be the big worry for me.

While not the same as Robertinson Milner has shown that he can offer something attacking wise from that position. Last season against Leicester we ended up with Henderson at right back and it was like playing with 10. He was so ineffective that Leicester didn’t even bother marking him for most of the game.

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 08:32PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Right back would be the big worry for me.

While not the same as Robertinson Milner has shown that he can offer something attacking wise from that position. Last season against Leicester we ended up with Henderson at right back and it was like playing with 10. He was so ineffective that Leicester didn’t even bother marking him for most of the game.

Yeah, that was that shocking spell where Gomez and TAA were both out injured (amongst others). Hopefully at least this season with 3 players quite capable of playing there, that means 3 serious injuries that have to happen before we have to resort to Hendo there again.

Agent Coulson · 07-08-2019 08:34PM

Worst comes to worst Fab can play right back now that Lallana is been trained into the number 6 role and of course he stays fit enough to play.

Utopia Parkway · 07-08-2019 08:43PM

We're grand at RB. TAA, Gomez (albeit very different players) and Hoever maybe looks the most ready of the young players to make a breakthrough.

Robbo out and it's Milner playing at LB and he got skinned more than a few times playing full back last season. Larouchi a bit away from being an option just yet.

The gap in quality between the front three and their back ups is the biggest worry.

SlickRic · 07-08-2019 08:45PM

Cancelo to City done.

Pep plus their wall of money just make the whole game such an uphill fúcking task.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-08-2019 08:53PM

Some training photos

We're looking good judging by Klopp's shorts/

Agent Coulson · 07-08-2019 08:57PM

With Red32 paying for Derby County to sign Wayne Rooney maybe we are waiting for the new shirt sponsors to pay for a player next season.

Sponsors paying for players might now be something that is openly going to happen. It’s more than likely been going on for years behind the scenes anyway.

Nike or Adidas pay to have one of there top clients in a Liverpool jersey.

charolais0153 · 07-08-2019 08:59PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Cancelo to City done.

Pep plus their wall of money just make the whole game such an uphill fúcking task.

20 or 30 million isn't much these days, we are getting that for ibe, solanke, ings type players

, bit like the reclining chair conundrum
I had a guy complain to one of the flight attendants that I was reclining - her response was “I don’t know what you want me to do... He is allowed to recline just like you are”

Liverpool can spend money if they want to, its not like its not there

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 09:00PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Cancelo to City done.

Pep plus their wall of money just make the whole game such an uphill fúcking task.

I know... and their comeback is always that they're not the ones making world record signings - but that's almost the problem. Record breaking signings often end up being big huge out of reach sums, like the price for Zidane, and now for Neymar. They're not really reflected in the usual dealings going on. They affect the market far less than what City are doing, which is consistently paying huge money for good players. They've almost single handedly created the new-normal of a decent fullback being 50 million. Every signing - not just world class superstars - is now more expensive because of them.

ERG89 · 07-08-2019 09:01PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Cancelo to City done.

Pep plus their wall of money just make the whole game such an uphill fúcking task.

City haven't exactly had to spend obscene amounts this summer but they ain't standing still for our sake. De Bruyne is like a new signing for them too if he stays fit which doesnt help either.

gimli2112 · 07-08-2019 09:03PM

We can't spend money like oil. It's not a level playing field, it never was to be honest, even when we dominated, it just seems less fair when it's not us.

~Rebel~ · 07-08-2019 09:06PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

We can't spend money like oil. It's not a level playing field, it never was to be honest, even when we dominated, it just seems less fair when it's not us.

True enough. To be honest we're bloody lucky that we had that period of dominance, as that name recognition is our strongest currency now. That's what keeps the club being able to compete with just the revenue it generates itself.

For a club without that household name to trade off, it's next to impossible to grow without an oil barron backing it up. Which is a huge shame.

ERG89 · 07-08-2019 09:14PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

We can't spend money like oil. It's not a level playing field, it never was to be honest, even when we dominated, it just seems less fair when it's not us.

City spend around 90m this summer it's not exactly 400m. Its probably what a team should be spending playing in the Champions League & near the top of the Premier League.
Still we'll make a healthy profit this summer & win a moral trophy for that from Deloitte.

Agent Coulson · 07-08-2019 09:16PM

Under 21’s lost 3-2 Elliott scores the second for Liverpool.

Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

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