Women and Astrology, psychics etc.

endacl · 29-07-2019 05:36PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I don't mind reading my horoscope as a bit of fun but I put no store in it.

Now, this is where I'm going to get lambasted - I do believe there are a tiny, tiny minority of people who are psychic. Now, I think most of them are absolute scam artists but there are definitely (imho) a handful out there that just seem to operate on a higher level than the rest of it.

I almost think of it the same way I do elite athletes. Most human beings couldn't come close to the physical skill you see on display at the Olympics. But a very small minority have a natural talent for a sport, and they spend their lives honing and training it.

It used to be said that we only use 10% of our brains - that myth has been disproved by science, but what science does say is that we only understand about 10% of how it functions (link)

I believe there are a handful who have gifts the rest of us don't have access to or understand. There are too many stories of psychics knowing super-specific things (not like "Has anyone lost a Mary") to completely write it off completely.

Nonsense. If one person could do it, we could all do it. The average person could never hope to beat Usain Bolt over 100m. However, the average person can run.

mcmoustache · 29-07-2019 05:36PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Nope, I'm not saying it's up to you to prove me wrong.

I'm saying science is a living and constantly developing thing, and we understand things now that we didn't understand 50 years ago, and we'll understand stuff 50 years from now that we don't today.

Astrology has had several thousand years to come up with a way to demonstrate whether or not it has merit. Same for psychics. They have been around since forever.

Anyway, understanding something isn't really necessary if all you want to know is "Does it work". Our understanding of placebos is terrible and yet we know that they do actually work. Likewise, we don't need to know how psychics or astrology works to determine if they work.

And testing these things is easy and has been done plenty of times with negative results.

29-07-2019 05:36PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

You seem really angry that a stranger on the internet has a different opinion than you about a topic that doesn't really effect either one of us.

You should have a think about that.

I'm calmly deconstructing your argument. If only I could include caps, emojis and exclamation marks to fit your wishful thinking.

"Doesn't really affect either one of us", now you're on the retreat. A nice tactic not committing to any position while waffling on, you'd make a career in politics.

Hobosan · 29-07-2019 05:38PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

People have the freedom to believe what they like without harassment.

No we don't. We have prisons, fines, social shaming, violence, censorship, etc. to force people into believing what is deemed appropriate.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sadly, many a new wife found out that's not true.

Yeah because they pretended to like her stuff.

You gonna be a bastard HIDE IT.

29-07-2019 05:38PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Men may be just as superstitious, they just don't advertise the fact like women do.

Interesting point.

Hundreds of years ago male dominated professions like sailors would’ve been notoriously superstitious, but I feel that’s more to do with the nature of the job than the people doing it.

I agree men would rank similarly in individual superstitions e.g your lucky pair of jocks or whatever, but lower than women when it comes to codified superstitions like astrology, tarot etc

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:39PM

Hobosan wrote: »

No we don't. We have prisons, fines, social shaming, violence and censorship to force people into believing what is deemed appropriate.

What even is this?

I have never been socially shamed for my beliefs. The only people who bother you are people nobody wants to interact with anyway because they fight with you over who spilled the sugar.

If you think psychics are a major world issue you might be one of these people.

Autecher · 29-07-2019 05:40PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What even is this?

What even is this thread ILYV? It's all over the shop!

29-07-2019 05:40PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

I'm not even saying there definitely are psychics out there, more that it's possible that there are.

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Now, this is where I'm going to get lambasted - I do believe there are a tiny, tiny minority of people who are psychic. Now, I think most of them are absolute scam artists but there are definitely (imho) a handful out there that just seem to operate on a higher level than the rest of it.

mcmoustache · 29-07-2019 05:40PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Earlier in the thread I said that while I believe the vast majority of people who claim to be psychic are not, but that there are a handful who appear to have some kind of gift that cannot currently be understood at a scientific level.

It doesn't need to be understood. It just needs to be demonstrated that it happens. If someone claims to be able to perform remote viewing or some other task thought to be impossible by scientists, then it's possible for them to demonstrate it without knowing how it's done.

29-07-2019 05:42PM

Maybe it's a holdover from feeling powerless in general
I was wondering the same the other day when passing one of those crystal shops. I do love the atmosphere or something in some of those shops. Bit of incense, pretty statuettes and crystals

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:43PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Just giving real advice.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 29-07-2019 05:44PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Have recently re-entered the dating scene so I’ve been swiping away at tinder and one thing that really struck me is the amount of women making references to astrology in their bios/profiles.

My question is why is it that there is such an apparent gender imbalance regarding belief in astrology?
I don’t want to generalise but I know numerous women who profess belief in it but can’t say the same of any men I know. Same goes for psychics.

Perhaps there’s no definitive answer but has anyone any ideas?

Less men into it than women but I have come across some men who are into it.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 05:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm calmly deconstructing your argument. If only I could include caps, emojis and exclamation marks to fit your wishful thinking.

"Doesn't really affect either one of us", now you're on the retreat. A nice tactic not committing to any position while waffling on, you'd make a career in politics.

No, you're not calmly deconstructing my argument. Phutyle is doing that, and to be honest he's doing a pretty good job. You're making this about me, rather than the debate at hand, getting sly digs in at every opportunity and refusing to actually deal with the points I've made (e.g. science's limited knowledge of how the brain works)

Deleted User wrote: »

You're just having an innocent chat about discredited nonsense. Pull the other one, I wasn't born yesterday.

Deleted User wrote: »

Furthermore, I'm somewhat sceptical of your angle...trying to disguise a faux medium as "something that cannot be understood".

So here's the story buddy (cue the petulant "I'm not your buddy" reply) - we can talk about the topic, or we can leave our discussion here, but what I won't do is spend the evening exchanging petty insults with you.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

OMG, you've destroyed my argument by picking up on a colloquial error.

29-07-2019 05:47PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Less men into it than women but I have come across some men who are into it.

Yeah I know, I’m not saying they aren’t, but the reality it that it is overwhelmingly women who are into it.
I’m wondering why

Hobosan · 29-07-2019 05:48PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What even is this?

I have never been socially shamed for my beliefs. The only people who bother you are people nobody wants to interact with anyway because they fight with you over who spilled the sugar.

If you think psychics are a major world issue you might be one of these people.

None of this pertains to what I said.

Also, you proved my point by suggesting I am someone unworthy of interacting with for my beliefs.

That's social shaming.

Deja Boo · 29-07-2019 05:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, I’m bored with the ‘some kind of gift’ psychic believer. Back to the OP… I think a modern poet summed it up quite eloquently when he extolled, 'bítches be cray cray'.

The poet must've been a Taurus

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 29-07-2019 05:49PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Maybe it's a holdover from feeling powerless in general
I was wondering the same the other day when passing one of those crystal shops. I do love the atmosphere or something in some of those shops. Bit of incense, pretty statuettes and crystals

Ha maybe it's the same for why men end up in militias and armies "I don't know do I believe in this but god damn I'm just so drawn to the aesthetic of the whole thing"

29-07-2019 05:50PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

No, you're not calmly deconstructing my argument. Phutyle is doing that, and to be honest he's doing a pretty good job. You're making this about me, rather than the debate at hand, getting sly digs in at every opportunity and refusing to actually deal with the points I've made (e.g. science's limited knowledge of how the brain works)

So here's the story buddy (cue the petulant "I'm not your buddy" reply) - we can talk about the topic, or we can leave our discussion here, but what I won't do is spend the evening exchanging petty insults with you.

Another failed prediction. I certainly won't be engaging on your passive aggressive terms. There's only one emotionally fraught person in this exchange, sorry to disappoint you.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:50PM

1 in 3 Americans say they have experienced a psychic or unexplained episode. Like a ghost or predicting the future etc.

Psychic occurrences are, however, more common among women (40%) than men (29%). They tried to account for the idea that women would be more inclined to CALL it more often a psychic experience than men would.

YouGov Omnibus polled over 1,000 adults on their experiences with the occult.

They came to the conclusion women were more sensitive to environments than men i.e a creepy house etc. Or how a group of people were feeling. The energy in the room than men were.

They came up with the theory that not much time is used to discuss how humans perceive tone and emotion or a safe or unsafe environment so there is not much language for it. Also women are better at it then men.

I think there is a case of sometimes women attributing these gender specific gifts to something psychic because they don't know how else to express it.

Autecher · 29-07-2019 05:50PM

To try and stay somewhat on topic, though I don't really know what the topic is anymore as the thread this thread has become a bit mad but I've known 2 people in my life who are really into astrology. They swear by tarot card readings and will not make any major life decisions without consulting them. They are both gay men which again I don't know if that means anything in whatever this thread is but sure there is some pointless information for yis anyway.

kikilarue2 · 29-07-2019 05:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Another failed prediction. I certainly won't be engaging on your passive aggressive terms. There's only one emotionally fraught person here, sorry to disappoint you.

In retreat, are we? (See what I did, I took your attempted burn from before and turned it around on ya)

Have a good evening

endacl · 29-07-2019 05:51PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Very few men are genuinely psychic so why would they believe in it?

Men and women are different. Our brains are different.

Your brain is different.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:52PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I do love the atmosphere or something in some of those shops. Bit of incense, pretty statuettes and crystals

Can I ask the guys if they like the atmosphere? Forget about the psychic question etc.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:53PM

endacl wrote: »

Your brain is different.

Its pretty average actually. Im just like everybody else. Terribly boring and predictable!

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:54PM

Its really surprising though people take offense and start insulting people for their spiritual beliefs.

Its kind of the first sign of discrimination.

FFred · 29-07-2019 05:55PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its pretty average actually. Im just like everybody else. Terribly boring and predictable!

Computer says no.

ILoveYourVibes · 29-07-2019 05:58PM

Hobosan wrote: »

None of this pertains to what I said.

Also, you proved my point by suggesting I am someone unworthy of interacting with for my beliefs.

That's social shaming.

Social shaming is making you wear a Dunce cap and walk around.

29-07-2019 05:59PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

In retreat, are we? (See what I did, I took your attempted burn from before and turned it around on ya)

Have a good evening

If you keep repeating the lie long enough you might even start to believe it. I'll leave you to your pseudo-codology.

Women and Astrology, psychics etc.

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