Creches exposed again

starbaby2003 · 23-07-2019 01:33PM #1

Crèches exposed AGAIN and reading the article it sounds just as bloody grim.

https://evoke.ie/2019/07/19/news/investigation-into-dublin-creche

starbaby2003 · 23-07-2019 01:34PM

Mods - can you please edit the title.

neris · 23-07-2019 02:23PM

dont let 1 creche tar your view of all creches. The govt have a lot of responsibility going back years when it comes to early years centres being private businesses

starbaby2003 · 23-07-2019 04:18PM

I am not, however I find it disheartening that it appears, yet again, that it was relatively easy to find a crèche that does do this. On top of this, the government checks clearly don’t work. The woman who runs this chain lost a child in 2005.

shesty · 23-07-2019 06:45PM

It's the Irish solution....allow the private/voluntary sector to fill the holes that the Government is unwilling/unable to provide in it's services.It happens across the health sector too.Super voluntary bodies out there, but why aren't the Government providing full services across the board??Why aren't the services being added over time?Money is one excuse, but really it's a problem that pre-dates money issues (not the creche one, but same principle).

neris · 24-07-2019 06:40AM

shesty wrote: »

It's the Irish solution....allow the private/voluntary sector to fill the holes that the Government is unwilling/unable to provide in it's services.It happens across the health sector too.Super voluntary bodies out there, but why aren't the Government providing full services across the board??Why aren't the services being added over time?Money is one excuse, but really it's a problem that pre-dates money issues (not the creche one, but same principle).

The Govt never wanted to know about childcare or early years going back decades so the private sector had to step in and provide the service so what you now have is private business providing what is basically a social service equivalent to the school system in a way. The Govt want providers to provide childcare at the cheapest possible cost to parents while carrying the overheads, financial burdens and excessive regulation of a business.

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 07:54AM

You can’t blame the government because minders are screaming obscenities at children! I know that the system is broken low pay for workers, high cost for parents but it’s like a lot of other industries. It is too easy to blame someone else. The manager and owner should have been doing due diligence. There were systematic failures in this crèche. None were addressed. If the ad is anything to go by, she was literally in it for the money. People like that do a disservice to all people in the industry, owners, workers and users.

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 07:55AM

You can’t blame the government because minders are screaming obscenities at children! I know that the system is broken low pay for workers, high cost for parents but it’s like a lot of other industries. It is too easy to blame someone else. The manager and owner should have been doing due diligence. There were systematic failures in this crèche. None were addressed. If the ad is anything to go by, she was literally in it for the money. People like that do a disservice to all people in the industry, owners, workers and users.

Hannibal_Smith · 24-07-2019 08:03AM

What!?! It already aired? I thought it was on tonight?

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 08:06AM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

What!?! It already aired? I thought it was on tonight?

Yes tonight. There is an ad out for it though. I’m not sure, I can watch the whole thing given how grim the ad for it is.

Hannibal_Smith · 24-07-2019 08:09AM

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Yes tonight. There is an ad out for it though. I’m not sure, I can watch the whole thing given how grim the ad for it is.

Phew! Only ad I saw was where professionals were talking as they watched clips of children crying.

After the last one, I'm very interested in seeing this one.

Electric Nitwit · 24-07-2019 08:25AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-creche-owner-to-step-down-after-rte-investigation-939034.html

A crèche owner in Dublin is expected to step down following a documentary which will air tonight.

One of the owners of the Hyde & Seek Childcare crèche chain is to step down and take no future role in front line childcare provision as a result of findings to be revealed in an RTÉ Investigates documentary...

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 08:40AM

Electric Nitwit wrote: »

One of the owners of the Hyde & Seek Childcare crèche chain is to step down and take no future role in front line childcare provision as a result of findings to be revealed in an RTÉ Investigates documentary...

You wonder if she should have been allowed run it in the first place !

awec · 24-07-2019 09:12AM

shesty wrote: »

It's the Irish solution....allow the private/voluntary sector to fill the holes that the Government is unwilling/unable to provide in it's services.It happens across the health sector too.Super voluntary bodies out there, but why aren't the Government providing full services across the board??Why aren't the services being added over time?Money is one excuse, but really it's a problem that pre-dates money issues (not the creche one, but same principle).

What's this got to do with private vs public?

Government provided childcare would not be immune from poor practices or being unfit for purpose.

24-07-2019 11:47AM

My daughter was in this creche from the age of 2 up until a year ago.

She never really had any complaints and seemed to be happy enough there.

Thank god she is still not there now. It's going to be tough viewing.

A friend of mine also had his kids there and he was told by his daughter that they had two children in the front passenger seat when being picked up from school because the car was full. They denied it when he confronted them, but he took his kids out anyway.

Fully justified now.

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 01:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My daughter was in this creche from the age of 2 up until a year ago.

She never really had any complaints and seemed to be happy enough there.

Thank god she is still not there now. It's going to be tough viewing.

A friend of mine also had his kids there and he was told by his daughter that they had two children in the front passenger seat when being picked up from school because the car was full. They denied it when he confronted them, but he took his kids out anyway.

Fully justified now.

Scary. My kids are in crèche. These shows make me feeling appalling for choosing to go out to work. Like many though, we need two wages.

24-07-2019 01:34PM

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Scary. My kids are in crèche. These shows make me feeling appalling for choosing to go out to work. Like many though, we need two wages.

I know I am going to feel so guilty tonight watching it.

My daughter is 8 now though and I have gently prodded to see if there were any stories about creche when she was there.

The only things I got were:

"Sometimes the food wasn't as nice as yours"
"Sometimes one of the kids was mean"

Hopefully for other parents, this may have been more common than the bad stuff (not in any way excusing the bad stuff)

starbaby2003 · 24-07-2019 09:04PM

****ing Instant Ramen noodles. That family need to be investigated. That is child endangerment.

drunkmonkey · 24-07-2019 09:06PM

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Scary. My kids are in crèche. These shows make me feeling appalling for choosing to go out to work. Like many though, we need two wages.

Ah it's s bit sensationalist, don't feel too guilty. Don't be afraid to walk around and check the place out yourself. I've 3 kids in and could randomly arrive any time. Way better crèche than some of these though, my kids are very happy and the staff are amazing. None could afford to go work in a Dublin crèche though completely different cost or living.

super_furry · 24-07-2019 09:07PM

Watching this in a mix of rage and amazement. Honestly if my child was in there I could do something I'd regret after seeing this.

Always Tired · 24-07-2019 09:14PM

What child doesn't like Ramen noodles? Might as well prepare them for their future in this country where they'll be lucky to have ramen after they pay the extortionate rents.

Hannibal_Smith · 24-07-2019 09:15PM

super_furry wrote: »

Watching this in a mix of rage and amazement. Honestly if my child was in there I could do something I'd regret after seeing this.

I'm the same here. My blood is boiling watching it. I wonder did the owner have any child care experience before opening the creche or did they see it as a money making racket?

super_furry · 24-07-2019 09:18PM

https://twitter.com/daithiocleirigh/status/1154137460550639621?s=19

the dark phantom · 24-07-2019 09:22PM

Complete bullies just plain rotten people.

drunkmonkey · 24-07-2019 09:24PM

She's got a drink or drug problem you can see it in her face, a proper bag of cats.

drunkmonkey · 24-07-2019 09:26PM

They obviously never seen the blanket trick for getting a baby to sleep...2 minutes boom there gone.

Limpy · 24-07-2019 09:26PM

How can any creche put 10 kids asleep when one or 2 are crying. Tough job I'd say.

GreeBo · 24-07-2019 09:27PM

super_furry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/daithiocleirigh/status/1154137460550639621?s=19

I was going to post to say you can't base anything on crying children as kids cry... but leaving a kid behind in a playground?
**** me.

nthclare · 24-07-2019 09:42PM

I know of some women who want to do child care and I wouldn't leave them with a cactus for 8 hour's.

Oddly enough a lot of misfits seem to be attracted to the child care career choice.

Not undermining the mother hen types of child carers who are in it for the love and compassion for kid's, I know there's good child carers and luckily my son had one she was a lovely old dear.

Sardonicat · 24-07-2019 09:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

She's got a drink or drug problem you can see it in her face, a proper bag of cats.

Yeah, thought she looked at bit ropey alright.

whiskeyman · 24-07-2019 11:08PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Yeah, thought she looked at bit ropey alright.

Making hundreds of thousands profit yet still does the day to day job and looks stressed for it.
I only presume she loves the power from it.
Must have some kind of issues and wants to exact revenge on poor innocent children.
She could easily hire someone to do the management role. Seems more than just money for me.

That said, it's Tulsa / the government we need to question. There is no law here. A 'warning letter' was sent.
Says it all.

Creches exposed again

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