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Lucas Hood wrote: »

I debated Pearce myself but his best form was before the premier league.

5 times on pfa team of year all before the pl started.

He was at his peak just before the PL, but peak Pearce goes in round 4 or 5.

This Pearce was still starting for England in Euro 96, and helped get Forest into 3rd place the season after being promoted a season or 2 previously.

Just because he wasn't at his absolute best, doesn't mean he wasn't still very good.

jayo26 wrote: »

The closest Oliver Dacourt got to Roy keanes mould is having the same number of limbs :P :P

Similar style i mean! Tough tackler (maybe too tough at times) but not a "sitter" or purely a destroyer. Just in case someone thinks I've chosen two sitting defensive mids!

i was wondering if someone would go for TAA.

sensational talent (and I'm biased), but I personally couldn't justify putting him in. i understand getting him now that things might be getting thin on the ground in some departments.

I still want to know bucketys player, I have an idea but if I'm right hes wrong on a small detail.

I can understand the comments about Fabinho not being proven enough yet perhaps, but I do think it's a bit unfair if people are going to be voting down the likes of Robbo or TAA on a similar basis. The rules of the draft said "peak". It was a big reason I went for Suarez on first pick.

TAA has played 55 PL games, made two CL finals in that time, and found his way into a PFA Team of the Year. I think that's enough to judge him on and at this stage he's a very good right-back to pick up.

For context, Dacourt who I picked yesterday only had 57 at Leeds (30 before that at Everton, but it was his Leeds peak that I was choosing him for), and no one really mentioned anything.

I'll be voting on teams based on the peak of the player, as instructed in the OP.

When you look at Rafeal de Silva who played in the premier league for 5 or 6 seasons yet was a bit part player for the majority of that time only making a handful of appearances each season apart from one.

That one season he made 28 premier league appearances and this will be considered his peak form.

It will be interesting to see how he is viewed compared to fabinho and taa.

There is also a quality player who was instrumental in a league title win yet has less than 30 premier league appearances who i think would also be viewed favourably as the perception might be that they did it over longer

redzerdrog wrote: »

When you look at Rafeal de Silva who played in the premier league for 5 or 6 seasons yet was a bit part player for the majority of that time only making a handful of appearances each season apart from one.

That one season he made 28 premier league appearances and this will be considered his peak form.

It will be interesting to see how he is viewed compared to fabinho and taa.

There is also a quality player who was instrumental in a league title win yet has less than 30 premier league appearances who i think would also be viewed favourably as the perception might be that they did it over longer

Everyone will probably have their own criteria, but for me, I’ll look more favourably upon one outstanding season rather than 10 decent ones, but only if that one season was truly at world class level. As Morzadec said, the OP states that players will be judged on peak form, so it makes little sense to me to write some quality players off due to a lack of appearances. Inconsistent players are another story, someone who can’t string four or five good performances together would go down in my estimation. Tactics and playing to the strengths of your picks would be paramount to me, and I’d vote accordingly.

I suppose when you take into account all the different scoring criteria from posters, it should all balance out in the end and there’ll be a worthy winner.

SlickRic wrote: »

goalkeeper is a perfect position to illustrate the longevity argument.

Schmeichel is lauded as the best goalie ever - partly due to the fact he did it for so damn long. Ederson has been superb for 2 seasons - it could be easily argued that 2017/18 in particular he was as good as any single Schmeichel season.

does that mean I consider Ederson as an equal or better than Schmeichel for the purpose of this draft?

this is a genuine question.

Missed this post before I submitted the last one.

I think it’s simply a matter of opinion Ric. As I said just there, different posters will value different things, I’ve made my priorities clear and others will differ from that. It makes the draft a lot more interesting too when it’s open to interpretation like this as there were no real scoring guidelines set out from the start. If there were specific judging criteria like you’d see in gymnastics or diving, it’d all be very systematic and you’d have a sense of the winner could be before any matchups are drawn up.

The one thing that’s absolutely crucial in the voting process is that posters should have to give reasons for their vote. It mostly eliminates bias and it gives an indication of what people consider the most important factors in what determines the best team.

martyos121 wrote: »

I bloody knew you’d get Ederson before me Trigger, I noticed you hadn’t gone for a keeper and feared the worst.

Happy to get an experienced keeper in Reina at the end of the day, but I really regret not taking Ederson in the last round. If you take longevity out of it, he’s clearly one of the top 5 keepers to ever play in the league.

I'm not sure I'd rate Ederson over Reina - Reina won numerous golden gloves.

Reina's a good keeper to get. He was very very good with his a feet at a time where no one else was. Ederson is a different class with his feet and a superb sweeper keeper, but Reina was a really superb keeper.

SlickRic wrote: »

goalkeeper is a perfect position to illustrate the longevity argument.

Schmeichel is lauded as the best goalie ever - partly due to the fact he did it for so damn long. Ederson has been superb for 2 seasons - it could be easily argued that 2017/18 in particular he was as good as any single Schmeichel season.

does that mean I consider Ederson as an equal or better than Schmeichel for the purpose of this draft?

this is a genuine question.

I would disagree that Ederson has done anything as good as Schmeichel - the latter was seen as the deciding force to win at least one league title, quite rare for a keeper to have that kind of impact.

Ederson different class with his feet though, so could suit a certain style very well.

I'd agree to draw a line under this debate, because it can go round in circles and I think it's a good point that each voter will decide themselves what matters - I do think longevity matters, just to prove that a player is not a flash in the pan, and consistency does matter. But someone like Sanchez I'll be judging on his Arsenal form, not his United form. I think this is fair to the poster that picked him, his peak was at Arsenal, and he was unreal for one season and very very good for about 3 others for example. Cech too (a player I have). I hope people won't be bringing him his decent enough but not world class performances at Arsenal when they judge him - I very much had the early Chelsea Cech in mind.

Robertson, had it been last summer, I would have been skeptical of judging him as a top class left-back. After another season of 50 odd games of unreal performances for me I'll be rating him as one of the top left-backs in the draw and I think he was a good pick at where he was taken for example. Especially in this type of position, it's not as likely that your form falls off a cliff like a centre-forward

Morzadec wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd rate Ederson over Reina - Reina won numerous golden gloves.

Reina's a good keeper to get. He was very very good with his a feet at a time where no one else was. Ederson is a different class with his feet and a superb sweeper keeper, but Reina was a really superb keeper.

Reina for me will always be the better man for keeping the ball out of the net, but Ederson would’ve been a slightly better fit for my team, and he does everything other than shot-stopping better than Reina in my opinion.

I really wanted to take a punt on a less established keeper who I rate higher than both of them, but I’ve already sacrificed far too much in the way of longevity.