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Irishman set to be deported from the US

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  • #362
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    You know the old saying, 3 strikes and you're out kinda thing.

    7 years from the last one indeed.

    Just to give you an example, i work in a nightclub on the weekends on top of my own job, i had to go through the process to obtain a licence in that area which included vetting, the relevant body is aware of my history and still granted me a licence as it some people do more stupid acts than others in life especially younger ones like myself and Keith Byrne, does it really mean that it must be used as a beating stick until a persons dying day?People do change, i'm unsure if it is better to start a separate thread on this particular matter even though it is relevant in a way.

    Something like the below should be mirrored in spent convictions legislation

    https://www.psa.gov.ie/en/PSA/Fit%20&%20Proper%20Guidelines%20(Approved%20March%202012).pdf/Files/Fit%20&%20Proper%20Guidelines%20(Approved%20March%202012).pdf

    If he had told the truth he may have gotten a visa from the US Embassy. The fact that he lied so that he could get the visa waiver shows he had no plan to return home. Even without the dope conviction in Ireland, he’s broken at least 2 American federal laws.


  • #363
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Thats far too much trouble for Irish people esp when they aren't inclined to learn their own one.
    yep...US/Canada etc for me is lazy immigration...



    https://www.btselem.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes


  • #364
    Sunny Disposition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    Aye different times.
    Have worked in courts, wouldn’t have section 2 assault down as that minor an offence to be fair Cork Trucker, often very upsetting for victims.


  • #365
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If he had told the truth he may have gotten a visa from the US Embassy. The fact that he lied so that he could get the visa waiver shows he had no plan to return home. Even without the dope conviction in Ireland, he’s broken at least 2 American federal laws.

    Have the embassy got discretion in matters like that? i never knew, i just chanced my arm without doing my research properly. I'd say the U.S violations are a bigger issue than what he did here. He probably thought to himself that if people get away with it in Ireland he'd get away with it as well, and look how long he managed to get away with it also.


  • #366
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    He broke the law by overstating his visa. The consequence is deportation. He overstated now that.

    He also has 2 previous minor convictions which don't help his case.

    All of those calling for him to be allowed stay in the US, would you be in favour of someone staying in Ireland under similar circumstances or would you think they had the children to improve their changes of staying. Double standards.


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  • #367
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    Have worked in courts, wouldn’t have section 2 assault down as that minor an offence to be fair Cork Trucker, often very upsetting for victims.

    You know yourself it is the least serious of the assaults, there being section 2,3 & 4. I accept what you say though, i was lucky not to end up with a section 3 but i'll park it there.


  • #368
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    He broke the law by overstating his visa. The consequence is deportation. He overstated now that.

    He also has 2 previous minor convictions which don't help his case.

    All of those calling for him to be allowed stay in the US, would you be in favour of someone staying in Ireland under similar circumstances or would you think they had the children to improve their changes of staying. Double standards.

    Yes, absolutely. Why would anyone want someone deported after they’d made a life here, were running a business, and had a family, assuming the previous conviction was just some minor cannabis possession charge?


  • #369
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    He broke the law by overstating his visa. The consequence is deportation. He overstated now that.

    He also has 2 previous minor convictions which don't help his case.

    All of those calling for him to be allowed stay in the US, would you be in favour of someone staying in Ireland under similar circumstances or would you think they had the children to improve their changes of staying. Double standards.

    He's coming home there's no two ways about it. He hoped the marriage and children would strengthen his hand plus with her having a child from a US citizen complicating matters he may have formed the opinion that the authorities would just let him stay. The father of this lady's eldest child must fear a potential custody battle should they all relocate to Fermoy.


  • #370
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Yes, absolutely. Why would anyone want someone deported after they’d made a life here, were running a business, had a family?

    So we should only follow the laws we agree with??


  • #371
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    He's coming home there's no two ways about it. He hoped the marriage and children would strengthen his hand plus with her having a child from a US citizen complicating matters he may have formed the opinion that the authorities would just let him stay. The father of this lady's eldest child must fear a potential custody battle should they all relocate to Fermoy.

    I don’t think there would be much of a battle. As far as I know both parents have to consent for a child to be brought across state lines, never mind travelling internationally.


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  • #372
    Sunny Disposition
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    You know yourself it is the least serious of the assaults, there being section 2,3 & 4. I accept what you say though, i was lucky not to end up with a section 3 but i'll park it there.

    The least serious of the assaults is still assault! No kudos for not getting assault causing harm. It’s a bloody serious offence. No way are you hard done by not getting a visa with a conviction for a violent offence.


  • #373
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I don’t think there would be much of a battle. As far as I know both parents have to consent for a child to be brought across state lines, never mind travelling internationally.

    i know here if the parents are not married and the father does not have guardianship then she can take the child out of the country without the dad's consent, unsure as to the position in this case regarding the father of the eldest child.


  • #374
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    The least serious of the assaults is still assault! No kudos for not getting assault causing harm. It’s a bloody serious offence. No way are you hard done by not getting a visa with a conviction for a violent offence.

    I'm not saying i'm hard done by, never did, all i'm saying is i was 18 when convicted, now nearly 40, i've spent over half my life, virtually my entire adulthood with this, and there is nothing in law to remove it. the only problems i have these days is having to talk about why it happened with the relevant bodies.


  • #375
    Cryptopagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So we should only follow the laws we agree with??

    Well, for starters, an American in his position over here—Irish wife and kids—would be very, very unlikely not to be allowed to stay.

    But anyway, there is a long and proud tradition of defying unjust laws. I expect the law to produce just and fair outcomes. If someone had been in the country that long, hadn’t caused any trouble, was working and paying taxes, and had strong personal ties in the form of a partner and children, there would be nothing just and fair in forcing them to leave.


  • #376
    circular flexing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    Have the embassy got discretion in matters like that? i never knew, i just chanced my arm without doing my research properly. I'd say the U.S violations are a bigger issue than what he did here. He probably thought to himself that if people get away with it in Ireland he'd get away with it as well, and look how long he managed to get away with it also.

    Yes the embassy has discretion and can choose to issue a visa if they choose. It's called Waiver of Inadmissibility

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiver_of_inadmissibility_(United_States)


  • #377
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,714 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    i know here if the parents are not married and the father does not have guardianship then she can take the child out of the country without the dad's consent, unsure as to the position in this case regarding the father of the eldest child.

    If a country is a signatory of the Hague convention, which the US and Ireland are, then one parent cannot relocate to another country without the permission of the other parent. They can be charged with kidnapping if they do.


  • #378
    circular flexing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭circular flexing


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    If a country is a signatory of the Hague convention, which the US and Ireland are, then one parent cannot relocate to another country without the permission of the other parent. They can be charged with kidnapping if they do.

    If the father is not listed on the birth cert then this doesn't apply.


  • #379
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cryptopagan wrote: »
    Well, for starters, an American in his position over here—Irish wife and kids—would be very, very unlikely not to be allowed to stay.

    But anyway, there is a long and proud tradition of defying unjust laws. I expect the law to produce just and fair outcomes. If someone had been in the country that long, hadn’t caused any trouble, was working and paying taxes, and had strong personal ties in the form of a partner and children, there would be nothing just and fair in forcing them to leave.

    It’s nobodies fault but his own. This law is not unjust. Why would any country, especially one with so many people looking to get in, allow convicted people into their country??


  • #380
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    In 2018 US Immigration and Customs Enforcement removed 47 Irish people from the US last year, 34 people in 2017 and 26 in 2016. There are around 10,000-15,000 undocumented Irish living in the USA. That’s less than 1/3 of 1% chance of being deported back to Ireland. Seems like he was just one of the unlucky ones.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #381
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    He's coming home there's no two ways about it. He hoped the marriage and children would strengthen his hand plus with her having a child from a US citizen complicating matters he may have formed the opinion that the authorities would just let him stay. The father of this lady's eldest child must fear a potential custody battle should they all relocate to Fermoy.

    I didn't realize he was likely to end up in Fermoy after being deported. I wouldn't put an animal down there.


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  • #382
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Mongfinder General wrote: »
    I didn't realize he was likely to end up in Fermoy after being deported. I wouldn't put an animal down there.

    It’s where he’s from sure. He’ll be dropped off at Shannon airport and probably get picked up by family. Not fond of it myself


  • #383
    Limpy
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Limpy


    I'd give him a pass on the possession charges, he served his sentience/paid his dues. But not the visa situation, it exists for a reason. Sure you can meet someone and its a fairytale story but they could always go to Ireland.

    As others have said there is plenty of other places to live where the kids can still speak English. You could be stuck in Yemen ffs.


  • #384
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Seems it worked out okay for the last Irishman to make the news for being deported from the US. Doesn't even want to come back. Looks like a win/win situation.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/641267882/i-wouldn-t-move-back-deported-irish-man-creates-a-life-in-his-new-home

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #385
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Seems it worked out okay for the last Irishman to make the news for being deported from the US. Doesn't even want to come back. Looks like a win/win situation.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/641267882/i-wouldn-t-move-back-deported-irish-man-creates-a-life-in-his-new-home

    Easy to say he doesn’t want to go back when there’s zero chance they’d let him back in!


  • #386
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    TheRepentent wrote: »
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Thats far too much trouble for Irish people esp when they aren't inclined to learn their own one.
    yep...US/Canada etc for me is lazy immigration...

    It's hardly laziness, they have the highest salaries in the world, high social mobility, excellent infrastructure, education and health systems, they also have more land , less population density than other developed countries. They are clearly the optimal choice for living standards. I guess you could move to Somalia and be less "lazy" about it.


  • #387
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Easy to say he doesn’t want to go back when there’s zero chance they’d let him back in!
    If we elect any of the lamebrained Democrats currently running for president they'll let anyone in (as long as they vote democratic).

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #388
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Speaking as someone who has naturalized in both Canada and the us, the rigour of the process is extremely high, I've had four background checks and medical examinations not missed as much as a tax filing or made a mistake on a form, not to mention the thousands of dollars required. English language competency and of course no Irish convictions either and if you make an ommision or false statement, even to border patrol at the airport, you are pretty much done. I think it would be easier to join the CIA at this point.


  • #389
    notobtuse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Background checks are becoming all to common here in the states especially when one deals with children or the elderly. To coach girls softball I had to get a background check every year. My one daughter was going to become a math teacher and had to get a local police background check, a state police background check, and an FBI background check (she also needed these background checks to tutor at college because of the chance for a college student MIGHT be under 18). She got them all then decided to become an actuary.

    And the way things are going all males will need background checks just to be in a room alone with a woman.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • #390
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Easy to say he doesn’t want to go back when there’s zero chance they’d let him back in!
    Home is a state of mind not a place. Most people can make a home where they feel happy.


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  • #391
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Look I feel a little sorry for him but he knew what he was doing was wrong and still did it
    Also him getting married/having kids probably wasn't the wisest move.
    If he's al lovely and innocent he should tip away and pick work up locally. The only real issue is the step kids.


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