Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Then why was he described by a prison officer on duty as being high ?

Highly strung or wired.

I'd say he was referring to his high emotions after hearing the guilty verdict.

@ohnonotgmail - I posted a mod warning in thread several days ago asking posters not to continue that line of discussion.

dudara

Kidchameleon wrote: »

One does not need to be in the courtroom to know B's dad was not under the influence of alcohol or any other drugs for that matter.

Actually, I don't think you can say for certain one way or the other.

There's a huge amount of speculation going on in this thread, often presented in an emphatic manner as if it's a proven fact. Like many others, I'm appalled at what happened and I'm trying to find some context that allows me to understand it better.

To what end? I'm not really sure. Maybe if we all understood why it happened, we might be able to do something to prevent something similar from happening again, or at least reduce the likelihood therof. Or maybe, we just want to have something to blame, whether it's social media, internet porn, bad parenting or whatever.

To be honest, I don't think we're going to find a reason, or combination of reasons, that we can say with certainty led to Ana's death. But I guess talking about it is a form of therapy.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He wasnt "high" on narcotics, he was only high on love for his son. I'm not going to go around in circles with you on this but I understand your opinion on his outburst but IMHO it is very excusable given the stress the poor man must have been under.

An emotional outburst of grief at the final realization that his son is:
A. Wicked beyond belief
B. Not coming home anymore
might be excusable.
The abuse of the court was totally inexcusable and he should have been arrested. IMHO.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The sounds coming from his mouth were too high in volume. A strange choice of words but its obvious that's what was meantt?

Not only are you an authority on what Boy B’s father felt and his state of mind , now you are an authority on what the court official actually meant !!
Makes me laugh to read your complete knowledge of all matters . !!!

spurious wrote: »

The outburst was very much not the time or place, but if the father genuinely believed his child did not do it (and yes, he may be deluded there) it is understandable.

Or if the father believed, or had been led to believe, that there being no evidence that his child ever laid a hand on her and the only evidence linking his son to the crime was from the child himself, by all accounts a repeated liar, that the father believed this would mean his son was 'innocent' of murder (which was the only charge before the court), well then I could certainly understand the anger which seemed from reports I read to be directed at the guards, not the jury(?).

I imagine he had been on tenterhooks waiting on the verdict, and the outburst was a culmination of those emotions.

I’ve seen enough posts here that doubt boy Bs guilt, if the general public have their doubts you can be sure the parents would too.

abff wrote: »

Actually, I don't think you can say for certain one way or the other.

There's a huge amount of speculation going on in this thread, often presented in an emphatic manner as if it's a proven fact. Like many others, I'm appalled at what happened and I'm trying to find some context that allows me to understand it better.

To what end? I'm not really sure. Maybe if we all understood why it happened, we might be able to do something to prevent something similar from happening again, or at least reduce the likelihood therof. Or maybe, we just want to have something to blame, whether it's social media, internet porn, bad parenting or whatever.

To be honest, I don't think we're going to find a reason, or combination of reasons, that we can say with certainty led to Ana's death. But I guess talking about it is a form of therapy.

This will sound very simplistic but some people are just "freaks" if you will. Crimes of this nature perpetrated by such young offenders are proportionately mercifully rare but they do happen & can be from any era & the brutality is always extreme.

There's no rhyme or reason to it & no definitive answers. Jesse Pomeroy was a 14-year-old who tortured several children, using boards and knives. He eventually murdered at least two & possibly up to nine children. This was in 1874, long before porn or the internet or violent movies or any other handy scapegoat that people tend to look for simply to make some form of sense of such horrific brutal callous crimes.

Craig Price murdered four people by the time he was 15 in 1987.
In 1960s UK, 11-year-old Mary Bell murdered two children. In 2007 in India Armadeep Sada, an eight-year-old had the dubious distinction of becoming the world's youngest serial killer after he murdered three infants. Kid was from a poor rural family & probably didn't even have a tv, never mind an internet connection at the time so it's doubtful he had access to violent imagery & by all accounts simply appeared to be a sadist.

It's easy to blame violent porn for this, just as it was easy in the US to blame Marilyn Manson after Columbine & to clarify, I'm quite sure violent porn very probably did fuel Boy A's fantasies/pathology but he was clearly deeply disturbed to begin with.

Again there's no real answers, no definitive cause regarding cases like this. We don't even have a certain motive for why they did this, even if we strongly suspect it was a thrill kill by two budding psychopaths.

But those looking for easy answers or a sense of context won't find any imo because this type of crime while again rare, has been going on for 150 years at least.

And now it's happened here. All we can do collectively is pick up the pieces.

That's why I hope they get a life sentence due to the rare, extreme nature of their crime. Normal legislation doesn't apply here as this type of crime wasn't considered at the time. Sentencing should reflect society's abhorrence but more pertinently these need life licence as we all know they'll eventually be paroled.