Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

gozunda · 30-06-2019 04:35PM

depaor01 wrote: »

I've just come across this thread.

I cannot get that poor unfortunate beautiful girl out of my mind. She should have been the gorgeous friend that girls wanted to hang out with, but instead was ostracised by her peers. Was she a threat to them? who knows.

So vulnerable and innocent. She was troubled, but adored her family and her family life.

What a horrible horrible end. I hope her bullies have sleepless nights forever.

I went to the derelict house and prayed for her a few days ago.
Rest in peace Ana.

The sister in law is a secondary school teacher. Stories she has related regarding young kids / teenagers bullying other are truely horrendous tbh. The ostracizing of children who are perceived to be different is not unusual - often with gangs of kids targeting more vulnerable children. And not all schools are proactive despite anti bullying policies being in place. Sadly this type of ****e is a lot more common than many of us could imagine.

Everyone needs to be vigilant to this type of behaviour - both teachers and parents of children who are bullying. Unfortunately in Ana's case this type of behaviour lead to her being targeted by at least one psychopath and murdered ....

mrjoneill · 30-06-2019 05:19PM

Suckit wrote: »

I was just retracing their steps through the park and to the house on maps, and the cctv footage really is invaluable.
They could have lured her anywhere.
She may not have been found for months without it. That and the fact that her brother recognised Boy B.
Had her brother not seen him, the already mountainous task of searching through the cctv footage may have been near impossible. They would never have questioned boy B for the first time (so early on, anyway), and they would never have been able to debunk his lies about the route he took etc.
They would never seen the two of them share the look that made the Gardaí realise something was not right.
There was already a lot of false sightings of her, so they needed to investigate before finding them false.
Boy B might never have been brought for the initial questioning.

One of the most difficult parts of this to overcome, for the parents surely must be an app that they used to use to track Ana's location. Ana had removed herself from that just a couple of months prior to that day.
I guess there will always be what-ifs in these type of cases.

Ana's phone last pinged of a mast in Lucan which focused the search there. I have no doubt the bringing her into Lucan was to throw Gardai out of the search for her when her body would be discovered prob weeks after. They did not pencil in phone triangulation & Ana's brother recognizing Boy B.

Suckit · 30-06-2019 05:25PM

Yep, the phone ping was definitely a help, but without the rest, it is far less likely the two of them would have been caught.
Well, they may eventually have matched Boy A's DNA if they knew where to look.

avalidusername · 30-06-2019 07:43PM

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

pablo128 · 30-06-2019 07:45PM

avalidusername wrote: »

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

tuxy · 30-06-2019 07:47PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess he must be "too high, get him out"

The Specialist · 30-06-2019 07:48PM

avalidusername wrote: »

Haven't been on this thread in about a week and a half so I'm not going searching back. There's a reference made a few times to one of the court staff saying "he's too high, get him out" in relation to the actions of the father of Boy B after the verdict regarding shouting and slow hand clap.
Just wanna confirm "high" is another way of saying "drunk" in many countries, so as always, don't read too deep into what you hear or actually read online unless it's first hand confirmation.

Source: Spent the week with my girl from Zambia, she kept saying she was So High on the Luas Red Line back to our hotel. Zambians can't drink for sh1t :P

I’d assume the high reference is highly strung, nobody in Ireland uses high as a description for being drunk.

avalidusername · 30-06-2019 09:40PM

The Specialist wrote: »

I’d assume the high reference is highly strung, nobody in Ireland uses high as a description for being drunk.

Apologies for my phrase of speech, I meant it's possible that if the court person was quoted correctly about saying "High", it could just mean drunk, and not High as it's familiar in Ireland, as in drugs etc.

Nobody said the person in court that used the high reference was from Ireland, nor Irish.

Kidchameleon · 30-06-2019 09:49PM

Well I havnt head of a court transcript detailing what was said but if it is the case someone said he was too "high" I would imagine it was a reference to the volume of his voice

tuxy · 30-06-2019 09:51PM

avalidusername wrote: »

Apologies for my phrase of speech, I meant it's possible that if the court person was quoted correctly about saying "High", it could just mean drunk, and not High as it's familiar in Ireland, as in drugs etc.

Can you link to the source of this quote from the court?
No one has any idea where you got it from as it's not been talked about on this thread yet.

corpusvile · 30-06-2019 10:05PM

It's mentioned in the Conor Gallagher IT article

The courtroom was silent for about 30 seconds. Boy A appeared to cry while Boy B held his head in his hands.

Boy B’s father began shouting. A prison officer told his wife: “He’s too high. He has to go out.” The father slammed the courtroom door as he left, before returning a few seconds later and embracing his wife and son. Boy A’s parents also wept and hugged their son but remained silent.

tuxy · 30-06-2019 10:10PM

100% his voice is too high, can't be anything else.

30-06-2019 10:24PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I've read the whole thread and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Amazing how people like yourself and tuxy, so prolific in this thread, haven't even read the basics of the case. Read the article.

tuxy · 30-06-2019 10:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing how people like yourself and tuxy, so prolific in this thread, haven't even read the basics of the case. Read the article.

Someone raising their voice but not being in contempt of court is hardly integral information.

LiamoSail · 30-06-2019 10:35PM

I reckon he was high on something because after hearing that evidence, it's the only explanation for thinking his son was innocent

30-06-2019 10:40PM

tuxy wrote: »

No one has any idea where you got it from as it's not been talked about on this thread yet.

Not integral information, but if you had read the definitive article on the case you would remember these details.

avalidusername · 30-06-2019 11:25PM

tuxy wrote: »

100% his voice is too high, can't be anything else.

Unless you were in the court room, and were witness to what was said, then it's not 100%

For what it's worth for all those interested in names or initials. The cases were publicly listed on the courts.ie website at the time, it didn't take a whole lot of work to figure it out once you know which judge was presiding.

<SNIP - even if this is in the public domain, we are not sharing it openly. Posters can figure it out for themselves if they do wish. Your post is in poor spirit

dudara>

tuxy · 30-06-2019 11:39PM

avalidusername wrote: »

Unless you were in the court room, and were witness to what was said, then it's not 100%

True, he may have been mildly intoxicated earlier on in the day but as it progressed he got too high.

dickangel · 30-06-2019 11:57PM

It's clear that he meant the level of his voice, seeing as the comment was made when the man began shouting. Any other theory is gossipy nonsense.

Suckit · 01-07-2019 12:18AM

Boy B’s father began shouting. A prison officer told his wife: “He’s too high. He has to go out.” The father slammed the courtroom door as he left, before returning a few seconds later and embracing his wife and son. Boy A’s parents also wept and hugged their son but remained silent.

I interpreted it as being 'wired'/highly strung.

I wonder how much Boy B's father has gone over stuff. Because initially the only real evidence against B came from his own mouth.

I mean if Boy B had initially stayed quiet (luckily he spoke before they found Ana), they would likely be none the wiser, but he did speak and that is how he was prosecuted.
How (even with the 'he's my son, I must stand by him' nonsense that is being spewed) did he not see that his son was obviously lying and then lying some more.
There is now more evidence against B, because he spoke. But without referring to that and just the lies, surely the father must have (at this stage) sat down and said to himself 'he did it' or at the very least 'he watched it, he was there, he brought her there'.

It's a lot for the father to get his head around, but it must be something that he has realised by now. Otherwise he won't really be doing his son any favours when talking to him.

pablo128 · 01-07-2019 12:18AM

avalidusername wrote: »

Unless you were in the court room, and were witness to what was said, then it's not 100%

For what it's worth for all those interested in names or initials. The cases were publicly listed on the courts.ie website at the time, it didn't take a whole lot of work to figure it out once you know which judge was presiding.

<SNIP>

You are breaking the law by trying to identify them online.

Gadgetman496 · 01-07-2019 12:28AM

The poster only mirrored what the Government have already posted on-line

Suckit · 01-07-2019 12:34AM

It has todays (Monday) date with (sentence) after it for both of them too using the search.
I thought they were being sentenced on 15th of July?

Gadgetman496 · 01-07-2019 12:35AM

avalidusername wrote: »

Unless you were in the court room, and were witness to what was said, then it's not 100%

For what it's worth for all those interested in names or initials. The cases were publicly listed on the courts.ie website at the time, it didn't take a whole lot of work to figure it out once you know which judge was presiding.

<SNIP>

If those are boy B's initials that's some coincidence?

01-07-2019 01:30AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

The poster only mirrored what the Government have already posted on-line

You have to Love the Irish Justice System. Threatening legal action against anyone publishing identifying information online, while having the information published there themselves. I wondered will they prosecute their own department?

Road-Hog · 01-07-2019 06:49AM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

If those are boy B's initials that's some coincidence?

What is such a coincidence......? Initials are hardly much good....there would be 100’s of people with the same initials....?

splinter65 · 01-07-2019 06:51AM

tuxy wrote: »

Can you link to the source of this quote from the court?
No one has any idea where you got it from as it's not been talked about on this thread yet.

No I read it too. And took it to mean too emotional.

dudara · 01-07-2019 07:25AM

Reminder - there are to be no efforts to name the individuals. This point has been made quite clearly in the past.

dudara

Beechwoodspark · 01-07-2019 07:29AM

dickangel wrote: »

It's clear that he meant the level of his voice, seeing as the comment was made when the man began shouting. Any other theory is gossipy nonsense.

That’s rubbish and you know it

I read it to mean the father was under the influence of some sort of intoxicant in court.

Kidchameleon · 01-07-2019 07:39AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I read it to mean the father was under the influence of some sort of intoxicant in court.

B's dad was not under the influence of anything.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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