Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019/2020

yabadabado · 30-06-2019 09:49PM

Longstaff, Ben Yedder, Bruno Fernandes will be our lot I think.
All gone quiet on the CB front and haven't really been linked to any RW in a long time .

Maybe we will take a punt on a young CB but I'm doubtful.

Lukaku and Darmian out will probably all we see leaving as well.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 30-06-2019 09:54PM

yabadabado wrote: »

Longstaff, Ben Yedder, Bruno Fernandes will be our lot I think.
All gone quiet on the CB front and haven't really been linked to any RW in a long time .

Maybe we will take a punt on a young CB but I'm doubtful.

Lukaku and Darmian out will probably all we see leaving as well.

I'd swap all those for one top CB if possible.

pjohnson · 30-06-2019 10:07PM

Rojo is still as unimportant as Darmian. Especially if we aren't sending Tuanzebe out on loan. I half expect Chong to go on loan aswell (James will be getting blooded this year so Chong mightn't get as many chances!)

GSPfan · 30-06-2019 10:13PM

If we don’t sign a top quality centre back then we are fooked. Smalling is grand but at the highest level he’s not up to it. Phil Jones is a joke, permanently injured and when he’s not he is liable to do something mad. Rojo was good once and I love his attitude but he’s a lunatic who will cost you matches. Bailly is so inconsistent and there’s times he’s half asleep and can’t even kick a ball.

Lindelof is our only dependable centre back and to go into a season with only one centre back you can hang your hat on is a worry.

AidoEirE · 30-06-2019 10:33PM

What we dont need is it going down to the last few days and lukaku gets sold.
We'd be seriously ****ed, 1) i dont want him gone as i think he'lk improve second season.
2) more importantly' lukaku goes, rashford gets injured all we'll have is greenwood/martial up front.
One hasnt been tested week in week out in the PL, the other is living in fantasy land and hasnt lived up to the signing since his first season.

As much as we have a problem at CB, goals win games and strikers need to be penciled for the next season so if lukaku is out, quicker the better so we can move on

Cantona's Collars · 30-06-2019 11:06PM

Luuk de Jong is in Seville to complete a move to Sevilla.
A replacement for Ben Yedder?

30-06-2019 11:12PM

Maybe this is the year Bailly and Fred come good, still serious potential in the 2 I think.

Both seem to have major brain farts in them but the technical ability is there in both no doubt. I can live in hope until next season at least.

Lord TSC · 30-06-2019 11:12PM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Luuk de Jong is in Seville to complete a move to Sevilla.
A replacement for Ben Yedder?

Also completed the signing of Dabbur recently too, so they certainly have an over abundance of strikers now.

There was some talk that Ben Yedder has a release clause that drops a bit on July 1st too.

Cookiemunster · 30-06-2019 11:42PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Also completed the signing of Dabbur recently too, so they certainly have an over abundance of strikers now.

There was some talk that Ben Yedder has a release clause that drops a bit on July 1st too.

I'd take him even if Lukaku stays. We're really light up top and he has close to a 1 goal in 2 average across his career.

30-06-2019 11:45PM

1 in 2 used to be a very good scoring record until recent messi ronaldo times, or the rise of super teams in lesser leagues

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 05:38AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'd take him even if Lukaku stays. We're really light up top and he has close to a 1 goal in 2 average across his career.

Likely we will generally play 1 striker. Rashford, Lukaku, Ben Yedder, martial, Sanchez, greenwood is a bit much fir that imo.

pjohnson · 01-07-2019 07:16AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Likely we will generally play 1 striker. Rashford, Lukaku, Ben Yedder, martial, Sanchez, greenwood is a bit much fir that imo.

Martial/Sanchez will be competeing out on the left I'd imagine, we havent signed Ben Yedder (if we are arsèd trying), Greenwood will only be getting blooded so gametime be spotty here and there so that leaves Rashford and Lukaku who is supposedly looking to leave so that means its just Rashford......

damowill · 01-07-2019 08:15AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

So was thinking about how the summer is going and just an overview for myself.

Additions: Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Daniel James
Possible further purchases: Longstaff, Ben Yedder, Bruno Fernandes

Promoted players: Tahith Chong, Angel Gomes, Tuanzebe, Greenwood

Obviously other players linked but the possible ones seem most likely. Also what happens with departures could affect other signings.

If we got those three signed it would be great and a refreshing style to the window compared to recent times but you do feel we would do with another signing for a player than no questions asked will walk into the team and improve it.

Be interesting how it pans out. Side note, really hope Chong is given chances this season. An exciting prospect.

I dont see Daniel James starting. If we sign Longstaff, i reckon he will be vying with Matic, McTominay & Fred for a starting berth, no certainty there. Also Ben Yedder, will he start if we sign him. No guarantees he would, if he did it would mean Rashford switching to the left or right. So only Fernandes and AWB are sure starters that will improve the first team. While the new additions bring a freshness to the team/squad, id worry slightly about the quality. They are all good players, but i still think we need more, especially a Leader or 2, and a CB that can play ball.

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 08:15AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Martial/Sanchez will be competeing out on the left I'd imagine, we havent signed Ben Yedder (if we are arsèd trying), Greenwood will only be getting blooded so gametime be spotty here and there so that leaves Rashford and Lukaku who is supposedly looking to leave so that means its just Rashford......

THe coversation is based on signing Ben Yedder, because people are saying we need a striker even if Lukaku stays, or we need ben yedder and another. So you should include him in this argument (or just keep lukaku in the argument.

Yes Sanchez and Martial will be competing on the left. But if Rashford is out injured then at least one of them could be played central (or both in a front 2). Greenwood would only be getting blooded, yes - but he only comes into this coversation when at least two from Rashford, Martial, Ben Yedder and Sanchez are injured (or rubbish).

Arguably....

First choice:

Martial---Rashford---Fernandes (? - in Mata/Lingard role) (Subs - Sanchez, Ben Yedder)

Rashford out:

Martial - Ben Yedder - Fernandes (Subs - Sanchez, James, Greenwood)

Rashford and Martial out:

Sanchez - Ben Yedder - Fernandes (Subs - Greenwood, James - arguable lingard, mata as number 10 shadow forward subs)

Sanchez, Rashford, Martial out:

James, Ben Yedder - Fernandes.

If Fernandes isn't signed then we need to sign some other player for that spot - but imo that spot ISN'T a striker, so it isn't part of the striker argument, it is part of a different arguement and requirement.

basically, I don't see where a second striker signing would fit (or be absolutely needed) if Lukaku goes and is replaced. Sure, you can make an argument but that argument basically amounts to 'we can always use more players!'. If Lukaku stays I see zero argument for signing another stiker. Sure there are better strikers around than we have but i just can't see how people could think or expect the club that will likely play one up front spend HUGE money on another striker to go into the season with Rashford, Lukaku, Striker, Martial, Sanchez, Greenwood all capable, to some degree, of playing through the middle.

Need to take into account budget, game time, planned/expected/hoped performances and also a medium/long term plan.

IMO - Right Wing or the Lingard/Mata first team spot is way more important to do something about than striker.

pjohnson · 01-07-2019 08:51AM

Oh right. I misunderstood. Yeah I agree. We only need a striker if Lukaku goes. If Lukaku is staying we should stop wasting time looking at strikers.

I wouldnt hold my breath either on Fernandes taking Mata/Lingards spot. I'm open to correction but is Fernandes not more likely to be part of the midfield 3 with Pog and Matic? Aside from maybe Sanchez/Rashford drifting out there or James getting rotated in I dont see anyone else vying for the RW spot besides Lingard and Mata.

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 08:54AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oh right. I misunderstood. Yeah I agree. We only need a striker if Lukaku goes.

I wouldnt hold my breath either on Fernandes taking Mata/Lingards spot. I'm open to correction but is Fernandes not more likely to be part of the midfield 3 with Pog and Matic? Aside from maybe Sanchez/Rashford drifting out there or James getting rotated in I dont see anyone else vying for the RW spot besides Lingard and Mata.

If we sign Fernandes, I just can't see him in a midfield 3 with pogba and Matic - i don't think there is enough defensive work in that 3.

I could be wrong, but I would see him coming in to that Mata/Lingard spot which is basically a free role roaming from right side across the attacking third. That spot would fit the player I think he is, though I would really like an actual right winger for that spot to give us some real pace and width out and balance out an attack that sees a lot of players already pushing into that middle space.

yourdeadwright · 01-07-2019 09:01AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If we sign Fernandes, I just can't see him in a midfield 3 with pogba and Matic - i don't think there is enough defensive work in that 3.

I could be wrong, but I would see him coming in to that Mata/Lingard spot which is basically a free role roaming from right side across the attacking third. That spot would fit the player I think he is, though I would really like an actual right winger for that spot to give us some real pace and width out and balance out an attack that sees a lot of players already pushing into that middle space.

Be a total waste of Fernandes if he ends up on one of the side's

I think if United get him its to replace Pogba,

Your correct that he is best in a 3 man midfield with two hard workers so he has the licence to roam forward centrally , he has a bit of a Lampard about him ,

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 09:07AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Be a total waste of Fernandes if he ends up on one of the side's

I think if United get him its to replace Pogba,

Your correct that he is best in a 3 man midfield with two hard workers so he has the licence to roam forward centrally , he has a bit of a Lampard about him ,

I completely disagree that an effective free role as an attacking midfielder would be a 'total waste' of a player you say thrives on being given licence to roam.

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 09:19AM

Yesterday it was Rashford signing a 250 contract.
Then it was 200k.
Then it was *something* with heavy incentive bonuses.
Today it is 300k.

So tiring, as people will take whatever sum they want, to fit whatever narrative they want, and none of it will matter at all.

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1145622310436708352

yourdeadwright · 01-07-2019 09:26AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I completely disagree that an effective free role as an attacking midfielder would be a 'total waste' of a player you say thrives on being given licence to roam.

I get what your saying but Fernandes best asset is arriving into space not starting in the space if you get me , like Lampard ,

Starting from a wide position and drifting in I don't think would suit him at all , that suits a Mata, Ozil type player more, Fernandes is more of CM midfielder than them ,

Also the right back you just signed is a fantastic defender but may not be suited to bombing forward down the right, Well not just yet he could become that player in the future,

Father Hernandez · 01-07-2019 09:38AM

Trying to buy tickets for home games this morning, website has been horrific.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Trigger · 01-07-2019 10:27AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yesterday it was Rashford signing a 250 contract.
Then it was 200k.
Then it was *something* with heavy incentive bonuses.
Today it is 300k.

So tiring, as people will take whatever sum they want, to fit whatever narrative they want, and none of it will matter at all.

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1145622310436708352

Typical clickbait, it's also shows just what sports journalism has become. Again this is reported in the article

"The contract is understood to be heavily incentivised but if Rashford meets all of his performance-related targets and United deliver on the pitch it could be worth in excess of £300,000 a week to the 21-year-old and will place him at the top end of United’s pay scale, "

His base salary is probably around 120/150k

Your Airbag · 01-07-2019 10:38AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yesterday it was Rashford signing a 250 contract.
Then it was 200k.
Then it was *something* with heavy incentive bonuses.
Today it is 300k.

So tiring, as people will take whatever sum they want, to fit whatever narrative they want, and none of it will matter at all.

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1145622310436708352

The papers have been having a field day sticking it to UTD since Fergie left, the fallen giant narrative.

Letting that stuff bother you is pointless, there is no way to control it.

gimli2112 · 01-07-2019 10:41AM

Firmino's pay is apparently heavily incentivised too and his basic pay is relatively low.....relatively. I could see clubs trying to push this where they can.

Rossi IRL · 01-07-2019 10:52AM

If rumors were true about Ben Yedder I would be happy enough.

Haven't seen too much of him to be honest but I have seen him the odd time and he has impressed. Seems like he could do a job.

Still need a top CB and a right winger

Cantona's Collars · 01-07-2019 10:56AM

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/1145634992975953921

Lyon want Bailly.

yourdeadwright · 01-07-2019 10:57AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Firmino's pay is apparently heavily incentivised too and his basic pay is relatively low.....relatively. I could see clubs trying to push this where they can.

That was his first contract when Rodgers signed him , He was signed as a midfielder but then Klopp moved him to number 9 and he made a fortune from the goal bonus that was in his contract ,

" this season he earned £25,000 for each of his first five goals which then rocketed up to £45,000 for each of his goals between six and 10, and £65,000 from 11 to 15.
So after picking up £65,000 for his first effort, he added another £85,000 after breaching the next bracket of his incentivised contract 2

He signed a new deal last year,

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 01-07-2019 10:59AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Firmino's pay is apparently heavily incentivised too and his basic pay is relatively low.....relatively. I could see clubs trying to push this where they can.

Sanchez would starve to death on this kind of a deal

yourdeadwright · 01-07-2019 11:01AM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

If rumors were true about Ben Yedder I would be happy enough.

Haven't seen too much of him to be honest but I have seen him the odd time and he has impressed. Seems like he could do a job.

Still need a top CB and a right winger

I'm guessing Yedder is being signed as the second choice behind Rashford ?

He's just off his best ever season by a distance so that would raise the price but then he is 29 in August and zero international caps , Very hard to call what's value he is ,

What is the price being talked about >

Mitch Connor · 01-07-2019 11:04AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'm guessing Yedder is being signed as the second choice behind Rashford ?

He's just off his best ever season by a distance so that would raise the price but then he is 29 in August and zero international caps , Very hard to call what's value he is ,

What is the price being talked about >

€35million release fee.

For that price, for that role, I think he would be a great pickup - a really intelligent signing.

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