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Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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    #1592
    thomond2006
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    Racing will also have virtually the same lineup as last season. The only signing of note was Trinh-Duc who will only be a backup to Russell.

    Munster's lineup won't change either of course but the addition of those assistant coaches is massive.

    Ospreys are an interesting prospect. They finished the season well after an absolutely dire start. They have upgraded at 10 with Gareth Anscombe replacing Sam Davies.

    Saracens have little changes as well but Elliot Daly is a quality signing who adds a long range kicking option.


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    #1593
    errlloyd
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    Racing is probably the most enigmatic team in Europe Right now. When they win, they win in style. But they don't when they need to.


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    #1594
    razorblunt
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Racing will also have virtually the same lineup as last season. The only signing of note was Trinh-Duc who will only be a backup to Russell.

    Munster's lineup won't change either of course but the addition of those assistant coaches is massive.

    Ospreys are an interesting prospect. They finished the season well after an absolutely dire start. They have upgraded at 10 with Gareth Anscombe replacing Sam Davies.

    Saracens have little changes as well but Elliot Daly is a quality signing who adds a long range kicking option.
    Interesting to see what happens with Daly and where he plays. There's really only a gap for him at center.


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    #1595
    mark_way
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    razorblunt wrote: »
    Interesting to see what happens with Daly and where he plays. There's really only a gap for him at center.

    He's a fair bit better than Maitland, and Strettle has retired. I'd say he'll start on the wing along with Williams.


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    #1596
    mark_way
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    Would have been good to see La Rochelle in there instead of Racing for a bit of variety and for the ROG factor.


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    #1597
    dub_skav
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    Leinster fan here. Just saw pools
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    #1598
    Former Former
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    errlloyd wrote: »
    Racing is probably the most enigmatic team in Europe Right now. When they win, they win in style. But they don't when they need to.

    They're seriously flaky and have gone backwards since they made the final. Not that worried about them tbh.


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    #1599
    Eod100
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    Former Former wrote: »
    They're seriously flaky and have gone backwards since they made the final. Not that worried about them tbh.

    Think if we got 2 wins against them we'd be doing very well.


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    #1600
    yerrahbah
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    Munster Team Talk Thread VII - Larkham Asylum


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    #1601
    cameramonkey
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think if we got 2 wins against them we'd be doing very well.


    They would have to improve dramatically to beat Munster. I think Munster should beat them twice.



    You will be surprised when you see what them have to to Zeeeebs.


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    #1602
    sydthebeat
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Munster Team Talk Thread VII - Larkham Asylum

    Winner winner chicken dinner


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    #1603
    Clareman
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    What a terrible/wonderful draw, I don't know if I'd like to limp to another semi final or know where we are early on in the campaign. Being a world cup year there is an extra level of doubt, we'll be missing a few players due to injury and hopefully the players will only be just back fro Japan, but that's for all clubs it's about who manages it the best hopefully a few of the lads who are left at home will shine through and earn themselves a place.


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    #1604
    Eod100
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    They would have to improve dramatically to beat Munster. I think Munster should beat them twice.



    You will be surprised when you see what them have to to Zeeeebs.

    Wasn't he one of the top try scorers in Top 14 this season? And named on team of the year? Point was about team as a whole who I think are no walk in park


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    #1605
    phog
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Munster's lineup won't change either of course but the addition of those assistant coaches is massive.

    One of our key coaches won't be with us until after W/Cup pool games - he'll have no pre-season with the squad and won't meet the lads that go to the W/Cup until after their holiday post world cup.

    The Pool is a pool of death and a baptism of fire but repeating what I have always said we need to win our home games. I'd be hoping for Saracens first up in Thomond then away to Opsreys, play at home first in the back to back games v Racing.

    Whatever happens I can't see us get a home QF so it's going to tough to progress even if we get out of the pool but in a way that takes pressure of the new coaches as most people will have lowered their expectations for the season after seeing that group.


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    #1606
    troyzer
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    Munster have a chance if Conor Murray returns to form and gets serious minutes with a healthy Joey Carbery.

    Munster are there or there abouts in every single aspect except for their attack. Getting your half back pairing in flying form will go a long way to solving that.


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    #1607
    cameramonkey
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Wasn't he one of the top try scorers in Top 14 this season? And named on team of the year? Point was about team as a whole who I think are no walk in park


    The came 4th, 24 points behind Toulouse. I think he had an OK first half of the season when his condition and fitness from Munster was still evident. Any games I saw him in the latter half of the season he looked to be struggling for fitness. He also looked out of condition or as they say in Dublin he is a fat BaSSSStaarddd.


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    #1608
    troyzer
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Eod100 wrote: »
    Wasn't he one of the top try scorers in Top 14 this season? And named on team of the year? Point was about team as a whole who I think are no walk in park


    The came 4th, 24 points behind Toulouse. I think he had an OK first half of the season when his condition and fitness from Munster was still evident. Any games I saw him in the latter half of the season he looked to be struggling for fitness. He also looked out of condition or as they say in Dublin he is a fat BaSSSStaarddd.

    Yeah. He scored 16 tries in 26 games. It's not THAT impressive for his position.

    He also missed a third of his tackles.


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    #1609
    Eod100
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. He scored 16 tries in 26 games. It's not THAT impressive for his position.

    He also missed a third of his tackles.

    It's a pretty decent return I think. I hadn't seen stat on his missed tackles, where did you see that out of curiosity?


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    #1610
    troyzer
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. He scored 16 tries in 26 games. It's not THAT impressive for his position.

    He also missed a third of his tackles.

    It's a pretty decent return I think. I hadn't seen stat on his missed tackles, where did you see that out of curiosity?

    It's a decent return but not so incredible that you'd be afraid of him.

    Stats from ultimate rugby.


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    #1611
    Buer
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. He scored 16 tries in 26 games. It's not THAT impressive for his position.

    It's excellent for any position. It was 16 tries in 23 starts and 3 sub appearances.

    You'd be hard pushed to find a player with a better tries to minutes ratio in Europe this season....possibly Jonny May taking into account his test season.

    I'd fully agree that his actual overall performances were far from special and if Racing didn't sparkle, he tended to be more conspicuous by his anonymity than his highlights. But his ability to get on the end of scoring opportunities cannot be dumbed down.


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    #1612
    thomond2006
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    While Earls is overall a better player, Zebo had a real knack for scoring tries. I'm sure he'll get a great reception in Thomond.


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    #1613
    randomrb
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Munster have a chance if Conor Murray returns to form and gets serious minutes with a healthy Joey Carbery.

    Munster are there or there abouts in every single aspect except for their attack. Getting your half back pairing in flying form will go a long way to solving that.

    I think the problem is that Munster can beat saracens or Racing 92 on their day but having 4 high intensity matches is going to be incredibly tough.

    In a direct comparison we are still weaker in the forwards and will rely on our frontline players to be fit


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    #1614
    troyzer
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    randomrb wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Munster have a chance if Conor Murray returns to form and gets serious minutes with a healthy Joey Carbery.

    Munster are there or there abouts in every single aspect except for their attack. Getting your half back pairing in flying form will go a long way to solving that.

    I think the problem is that Munster can beat saracens or Racing 92 on their day but having 4 high intensity matches is going to be incredibly tough.

    In a direct comparison we are still weaker in the forwards and will rely on our frontline players to be fit

    Realistically Munster have very little chance of winning the group.

    They're aiming for second and praying for a gentle quarter final draw.


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    #1615
    Shefwedfan
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    Saracens will have bulk of squad at WC. A couple of injuries and they could be in trouble. They do have a big squad but they have a couple of key players, who are going to be key players at WC as well.....


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    #1616
    Cookiemunster
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    randomrb wrote: »
    I think the problem is that Munster can beat saracens or Racing 92 on their day but having 4 high intensity matches is going to be incredibly tough.

    In a direct comparison we are still weaker in the forwards and will rely on our frontline players to be fit


    Four high intensity matches over the course of 10 weeks. It's not like they'll play Saracens and Racing over 4 consecutive weekends.

    Realistically Munster are fighting with Racing for one of the three best runners up spots, but with new more experienced (and probably better) coaches, I wouldn't use past performances as any indication of what's possible next season (Although I will admit that with the world cup disruption, it may be 2020/21 before we get a good run on Europe).


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    #1617
    Eod100
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Four high intensity matches over the course of 10 weeks. It's not like they'll play Saracens and Racing over 4 consecutive weekends.

    Realistically Munster are fighting with Racing for one of the three best runners up spots, but with new more experienced (and probably better) coaches, I wouldn't use past performances as any indication of what's possible next season (Although I will admit that with the world cup disruption, it may be 2020/21 before we get a good run on Europe).

    Depends on what fixture schedule is like too so very early days yet


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    #1618
    stephen_n
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    I see Munster jersey’s are half price in Lifestyle, assume that’s last years jersey? Are Munsters new Jersey’s as bad as Leinsters or have they been released yet?


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    #1619
    dregin
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    I see Munster jersey’s are half price in Lifestyle, assume that’s last years jersey? Are Munsters new Jersey’s as bad as Leinsters or have they been released yet?

    They're almost identical.


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    #1620
    Jupiter Mulligan
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. He scored 16 tries in 26 games. It's not THAT impressive for his position.

    He also missed a third of his tackles.

    Having watched Top 14 highlights every week, I'd say that about half of those tries were run-ins when he accepted a pass within 5 metres of the try line and sauntered over.

    Agree about his poor tackling stats - at times his attempts were so inept that they were close to farcical.


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    #1621
    Eod100
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    Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »
    Having watched Top 14 highlights every week, I'd say that about half of those tries were run-ins when he accepted a pass within 5 metres of the try line and sauntered over.

    Does that not mean he's a good finisher? Why not so somebody else? If he can be in that position and score, then it counts same as any other try


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