Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

mrjoneill wrote: »

Brendan Grehan SC for the prosecution said the evidence against Boy A was "overwhelming" and that the case against Boy B was made out by "lies, untruths and half-truths" he told during garda interviews.



Boy B admitted nothing that it could be considered a joint enterprise this was extrapolated by all the surrounding circumstances inc CCTV & witness evidence. Boys B interviews shows of his ability to lie, subterfuge & downright deceit.

Indeed, Boy A's murderous violence horrifies and sickens me but Boy B's cool, manipulative deceit chills me to the core. What a twisted partnership they made.

Boggles wrote: »

I know.

Do you think the detectives might have not thought of that too and in examining the Boy B's phone may have raised some suspicion if it had just been activated on May 14th?

But what could they have done about it even if they had discovered that his non-smart-phone had been activated on 14th May? If the evidence is gone, it's gone

tuxy wrote: »

Are you planning on turning your fantasies into bedtime story books?

You know he lost the phones well before the incident and that's why his parents had given him a basic non smart phone but he usually left that at home anyway.

Link pls

slavetothegrind wrote: »

are you for real, this is the best country in the world for them in terms of outcome. Soft as you like....guaranteed.

They never penciled into it being found out so punishment for the crime never entered the equation

mrjoneill wrote: »

I don't agree, the totality of Boys B actions evidence acquired from CCTY & witness statement led to believe he as was active accomplice. As for his interviews they are lie after lie, with half truths interspersed with pure deceit while coming across as the helpful boy next door. He really believed he was so clever he could pull this crime off.

I'm sure Boy A and Boy B planned it down to the last detail with the "mask" being central to their plan, acting out some character. but they overlooked key factors such as CCTV and witness evidence. They never expected such a spirited defense by Ana. Boy A thought he would not even come under suspicion and made no attempt to destroy evidence he had control off. Even if their plan went off without a hitch and Ana was alone at home and her dad didn't see anyone call, witnesses identified her in the park with a boy and CCTV would be trawled to identify who it was. In the end their plan showed such naivety.

It is likely that they didn't completly overlook the CCTV in the park. In one way I believe they may have relied on it to back up the story that they both gave to the gardai - that they last saw Ana in the park. Boy A and B being in the park certainly could be proved by CCTV. Additionally boy A claimed he was attacked in the park and the speculation by Boy that Ana was also attacked in the park.

Unfortunately they didn't account for the fact that the CCTV footage could be used against them both. Crucially they didnt allow for witnesses at all imo. I agree that boy A did not expect Ana to fight back the way she did and inflict injuries which Boy A could not pretend had not happened.

Imo it was from this point forward the stories unravelled and the reality of what they had done struck home. From there their stories diverge, with boy B increasingly and desperately lying and throwing boy A under the bus and boy A declaring that everything boy B was saying was a lie...

I don't feel sympathy for the boys and their families either

Lucuma wrote: »

Boy B said Ana showed him the picture of herself bound & gagged as they walked through the park. Which may not be true - he may have seen it online at another stage. But he had obviously seen it because he couldn't have known about it independent from it being mentioned by Ana's mother in her testimony otherwise.
To me it was just another sad fact of the case. You're allowed to be an insecure, confused teenager that craves attention. You're allowed to do weird things. We're all a bit weird in our own way and can live our whole lives that way!

It doesn't mean anyone else has a right to take your life

That's such an interesting point. It did strike me as exceptionally odd at the time. As did the remarks he made about her slutty clothing. He was clearly listening to these opinions from people he respected most likely his parents.

Lucuma wrote: »

Boy B said Ana showed him the picture of herself bound & gagged as they walked through the park. Which may not be true - he may have seen it online at another stage. But he had obviously seen it because he couldn't have known about it independent from it being mentioned by Ana's mother in her testimony otherwise.
To me it was just another sad fact of the case. You're allowed to be an insecure, confused teenager that craves attention. You're allowed to do weird things. We're all a bit weird in our own way and can live our whole lives that way!

It doesn't mean anyone else has a right to take your life

I don't find the bound and gagged photo odd at all. Young teenagers do this type of thing quite frequently : usually just as a prank or because they are bored. I would read very little into it.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So does that make you better than them or the same as them?

Well considering that the two boys raped and murdered an entirely innocent girl and did so in a particularly violent and cruel manner - and given that are quite likely to do so again, versus the above scenario where retribution - however misplaced - is being sought, I'd go with "better".