"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 5 "The bells" - Spoilers post 2 forward

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's simple. Arya planned on killing Cersei before the war could start. When the Red Keep was getting destroyed, the Hound told her it was time to leave. There was nothing she could do.

She left, she had to try and survive the destruction.

No I get that what I meant was again how does she walk out of that situation like she always does!

Like I said to me mates after instead of it being a horse waiting for her it should of been a shark! The show finally admitting that they jumped!

Notorious wrote: »

I'd be the very person who loved how GoT did the unexpected. In the last two seasons there has been a lot of fan service from the lack of any major character deaths, the forced John and Dany union, and the coupling of Jamie and Brienne. IMO they have been pandering to viewers and fans.

And while we rarely get what we deserve, I think Cersei and Jamie dying in the keep was a real cop out. A quick way to cut off the tails off their story arc. When Jamie left Winterfell I had a sneaking suspicion that he was going to be the one to take out Cersei, where as instead he just switches sides again. I think that's lazy storytelling.

Jamie was always on Cersei's side, even when he went north it was because he wanted to keep his vow and he saw that the Night King was the real danger.

For all the complaints about characters not acting how we think they should, nothing we've seen from Jamie points to him being capable of killing Cersei, especially while carrying their child.

kingshankly wrote: »

Arya is killing Danny next week

Is what they want you to think (imo)

Ok......

I am in the minority in that all in all I have enjoyed this season although the majority of criticism on this form has been justified. I gave it a pass because I love the show and it's an impossible task to tie it off in six episodes. However I have known it's been the weakest season by some stretch and all I wanted was not to have it tie off in a neat little bow just one more surprise I said to myself..... catch me out one last time.


I was sickened when the bells started to ring and the Lanister army laid down their swords..... The really did **** the bed I thought and I couldn't have justified it anymore....... then there was the glimpse on Danny's face and I said no way is she going to burn the city anyway..... they'd never have the balls to go ahead with something like that......

I absolutely loved it. Yes, valid criticism again that in it pretty much pisses all over her character the last eight seasons but I never really liked her so that didn't bother me at all. She has been starting to crack the last couple of episodes so it can't be said that it was completely out of left field.

I don't have it in me to read the thread because if Facebook comments are anything to go by people are losing their absolute minds over this and I can see why they would if they were routing for her all along. I liked that Varys was right all along and it's going to make for a potentially excellent last episode.

Loved the Hound and Ayra exchange towards the end and Claganebowl wasn't a let down but went pretty much how I expected it.

The only thing that I cant defend is Jamie's character. I don't think they are dead personally but if they are why couldn't they have just had him run her through...... 8 seasons of character development (and my favourite character it must be said) pissed away. I really hope there is something more to it but I think it's one ask too much.

That horse scene was mad. Shocked she rode the horse in its poor condition

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Ya I don't know what to make of this season. The first two episodes were ok. The Long Night had it's faults but I defended it. Last week got on my nerves something rotton. I had a real bee in my bonnet about how Euron took out Rhaegal but then missed Drogon with about ten shots. That dented my enjoyment of this episode somewhat but it was still miles better than last week. Hopefully next week delivers and we go out on a high. Not many players left now so I've got my fingers crossed they can pull it off. Jon and Dany aren't the best actors and Tyrion has turned into a damp squid. I'm excited but nervous for the last episode.

I'd agree on Jon, the guy has one setting. Browbeaten.

But I would disagree on Dany. I think she stepped up and ahead of most, if not all the cast this season.

That is partly due to a lack of good material for other characters. Cersei has been reduced to resting bitch face 90% of the time, except for her final scene where she was brilliant. Tyrion's material is weak, same with Jaime, except for their farewell. But I don't think that should take away from Emilia Clarke. I got chills during this scene...

awec wrote: »

Her going a bit mad is not that surprising, but the scale of it doesn't really tally. I think her completely destroying the Red Keep would have sent a clear enough message that she's insane, but not ruined her whole story arc.

She's always been impulsive, making wrong decisions, and prone to snap, but she has never shown signs of being willing to kill thousands of innocents just for the craic.



Misread.

Think Bronn is done with the show. What is he going to do? Saunter up to Tyrion and ask for Highgarden?

I think so too. But that begs the question why he was in this season at all. The answer to that question is everything that is wrong with the season

The show has just become incredibly dumb, and that's awful hard to see.

It's still fantastically well shot, directed, produced, acted etc, but the writing has more inconsistencies and laughable moments than any top tier show like this that I can remember. D&D have made it all a bit Marvelesque just to speed things up and be done with it.

It's like the show has Alzheimer's. Contrast between the first few seasons and now in terms of the quality of writing is stark. The level of effort that has been put into the show previously feels like all for nothing when you see how some of the characters and storylines have been butchered.

Obviously cant deal with all of this but some responses to the less pedantic and more thought through points

Mokuba wrote: »

Here we go again.

To start - Just like the people crawled out of the woodwork saying "We knew Arya was going to kill the Night King for years - Blue Eyes!!", we have people claiming that Dany's madness was foreshadowed for years and we weren't paying attention. That is absolutely wrong. Dany has never once murdered an innocent before, in fact, she hasn't done much wrong in general. She killed people who were objectively committing atrocities - mainly slavery. She murdered enemies who refused to bend the knee as all other rulers in Westeros have done.

'Innocent' is an interesting word to use to delve into what you believe her thought process was over the past seasons, as another way to look at it is that she never murdered people who bent the knee or did what she said. You're also completely ignoring the numerous times she was talked down from committing mass destruction similar to what we saw in Kings Landing, practically at every stop along the way. Did you not believe her?

Tywin Lannister had Elia's children killed and Elia raped and murdered - not mad! Dany kills a few Dothraki who were trying to enslave her and gang-rape her - CRAZY! LOOK I TOLD YOU SHES CRAZY SEE! The slavers in Mereen betray their agreement to abolish slavery and attack, so she kills them - LOOK! CRAZY! She locked up her dragons (children) for killing one child! People are trying to attribute morality as we know it to her actions in a medieval time. Absolute utter nonsense that she was capable of this, and people acting smug about it too! What Dany did in the last episode was the worst atrocity in the history of Westeros. Let that sink in. The worst atrocity in the entire history of that universe.

Arya fed a man his own children after taking the time to skin and cook them. She smiled as he ate them and slit his throat. She cut off his face and wore it while she poisoned the entire extended Frey family, some of whom surely had nothing to do with the Red Wedding or were just following orders. That is more despicable than anything Dany has ever done, by far. Is Arya not the one whos madness was telegraphed?

You seem upset by the words madness or crazy, but when you look at it objectively what she did was the only way she had any chance of sitting in the iron throne and holding power. The fact that she is willing to kill all those people shows she isn't right in the head nor a 'good' person, but looking at it through the world they're in it is a means to an end (like the other questionable actions you mentioned). She is out of friends so all she has now is fear.

The most unforgivable of all - the character assassination of Jaime Lannister, or how to undo 8 seasons of character development in one episode. The same man who broke down in the bathtub to Brienne when telling her how he had to kill Aerys to save the people, who asked Brienne if she would have stood by when innocents were about to be killed - that same man now doesn't care about the people. Who jumps into the bear pit for Brienne, who abandons Cersei to fight for the living.

People were like, the only reason he is going to Kings Landing is to kill Cersei! Nope, he is "addicted" to her and tosses away all 8 seasons of his development.

As I posted already, he wants to be a good man but Cersei trumps everything to him and he has repeated it over and over again. Did you not believe him? He went north because he knew the threat was from the Night King but was always going back to her.

For the people who thought he was going to kill Cersei, what possibly led you to believe that? Brienne was so good in bed that it knocked some common sense into him? He stood by Cersei through everything she did and, with her doing nothing new in the terrible stakes, now he's just going back to kill her and his unborn child?