Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

StereoSound · 06-05-2019 10:58AM

I'm a vegetarian purely for my skin, I don't have red blotchy acne prone skin anymore since I gave up all meats. All the fats and hormones in meat run riot on my skin. I'm not giving up meat because I care about the animals or any crap like that.

joe_99 · 06-05-2019 11:04AM

YFlyer wrote: »

Quote: Still waters
It's amusing to read the farmers on the farming forum complaining about the rise in vegetarians, youd think they were dependent on every human alive eating 3 steaks a day when in reality blaming the few vegetarians for their problems is like blaming a turf fire in connemara on global warming.

I was responding to this paragraph.

Strangely farmers also grow vegetables but they don't seem too keen on promoting that.

gozunda · 06-05-2019 11:13AM

"YFlyer wrote: »

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I was responding to this paragraph.

Yeah and Dan and Still waters are both farmers or is it to attack only those who are interested in threads/ comments about food and agriculture? Typical stupid type comment tbh. Seems some others dont want anyone to comment because it doesn't suit their narrow world view. Personally I dont give a monkies what anyone eats. If you have a problem with a poster I'd suggest you do the normal thing and report them.

YFlyer · 06-05-2019 11:18AM

joe_99 wrote: »

Strangely farmers also grow vegetables but they don't seem too keen on promoting that.

True Joe.

YFlyer · 06-05-2019 11:21AM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah and Dan and Still waters are both farmers or is it to attack only those who are interested in threads/ comments about food and agriculture? Typical stupid thick ignorant type comment tbh. Seems some others dont want anyone to comment because it doesn't suit their narrow world view. Personally I dont give a monkies what anyone eats. If you have a problem with a poster I'd suggest you do the normal thing and report them.

I was agreeing with Still waters.

gozunda · 06-05-2019 11:30AM

YFlyer wrote: »

I was agreeing with Still waters.

Agreeing me rearend. What you said was

YFlyer wrote:

That's Dan and his side kick that follow every vegan thread.

So you're using one farmer who is commenting here to attack another farmer who is also commenting here - and all because you dont like what one of them is saying??? I see. Well how about actually contributing to the discussion for a change? Thought tbh I've no idea what your real problem is. This is AH - the thread was created by someone who eats meat. Afaik theres no restrictions on who can post. Thanks.

zapitastas · 06-05-2019 11:32AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What's wrong with not wanting to eat animals? I don't get why it annoys people so much. I don't eat much red meat or dairy at all, don't miss it or need it.

Meat is easily manageable. Avoiding dairy is a nightmare. Is in everything

gozunda · 06-05-2019 11:33AM

joe_99 wrote: »

Strangely farmers also grow vegetables but they don't seem too keen on promoting that.

Ah they do Joe. Sure why would they grow stuff and not want to sell it? I think it's just more that the vegetable farmers anr't being attacked for some strange reason. Anyhow I reckon you mustn't be reading the right comments.

Heres the national agricultural and food promotion agency on our lovely Irish veg produced by Irish farmers. Is that good enough?

https://www.bordbia.ie/consumer/aboutfood/veg/pages/default.aspx/field_vegetables

orourkeda1977 · 06-05-2019 12:17PM

I'm off for a big juicy steak.

How do you like that vegetarians?

YFlyer · 06-05-2019 12:23PM

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

I'm off for a big juicy steak.

How do you like that vegetarians?

Enjoy.

archer22 · 06-05-2019 02:42PM

Will ye whist lads, before poor old gozzy here keels over from the combination of cholesterol from the meat and stress from all those vegetarian and vegan threads

nice_guy80 · 06-05-2019 02:45PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah they do Joe. Sure why would they grow stuff and not want to sell it? I think it's just more that the vegetable farmers anr't being attacked for some strange reason. Anyhow I reckon you mustn't be reading the right comments.

Heres the national agricultural and food promotion agency on our lovely Irish veg produced by Irish farmers. Is that good enough?

https://www.bordbia.ie/consumer/aboutfood/veg/pages/default.aspx/field_vegetables

Up to 60% of veg and fruit grown is rejected by buyers for supermarkets for aesthetic reasons

Vegans like their veg to be beautiful (non vegans too)

branie2 · 06-05-2019 03:01PM

Vegans take it too far!

gozunda · 06-05-2019 03:26PM

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"archer22 wrote:

Will ye whist lads, before poor old gozzy here keels over from the combination of cholesterol from the meat and stress from all those vegetarian and vegan threads

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Lol. Even more ad hominem thrown at posters on this thread...

*News flash * This thread was created by a meat eater (shock - horror - gasp!) and although it has lots about food and agriculture only veg*ns can comment in this thread lol. Strange that ...

gozunda · 06-05-2019 03:35PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Up to 60% of veg and fruit grown is rejected by buyers for supermarkets for aesthetic reasons
Vegans like their veg to be beautiful (non vegans too)

I quite like ugly and even misshapen vegetables tbh. Theres room for all sorts tbh.

Some of the big supermarkets are now ditching previous supermarket directed buying preferences so that 'wonky vegerables' are now popular ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/the-fightback-against-food-waste-1.2532784

whisky_galore · 06-05-2019 05:08PM

Sawduck wrote: »

Let vegan's be vegan and meat eaters be meat eaters, don't know why its got to be an issue,just eat what you want

I'd love if it were that simple, but every time an ad for a meat product appears on arsebook it's guaranteed there will be a "meat is murder" type post.

ToddyDoody · 06-05-2019 05:23PM

"I don't eat meat myself but wouldn't judge anyone who does"

auspicious · 06-05-2019 06:06PM

gozunda wrote: »

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archer22 wrote: »

Will ye whist lads, before poor old gozzy here keels over from the combination of cholesterol from the meat and stress from all those vegetarian and vegan threads

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Lol. Even more ad hominem thrown at posters on this thread...

*News flash * This thread was created by a meat eater (shock - horror - gasp!) and although it has lots about food and agriculture only veg*ns can comment in this thread lol. Strange that ...

Not ad hominem in a sense as if you read the post again, archer22 is actually a meat eater, and quite funny.

silverharp · 06-05-2019 06:29PM

wakka12 wrote: »

There is no optimal diet, everyone reacts differently to foods. but veganism is by no means an unhealthy diet to try

there are a range of optimal diets, i wouldnt list veganism as one, i'd imagine its better than some obviously bad diets, it just seems easy to become deficient in various nutrients so then becomes complicated, having to resort to various supplements

gozunda · 06-05-2019 06:37PM

auspicious wrote: »

Not ad hominem in a sense as if you read the post again, archer22 is actually a meat eater, and quite funny.

Funny. That you are supporting such rubbish is telling. Btw you need to look up the meaning of ad-hominem btw. Shame because there really are some decent veg*ns out there. And just for the record I don't give a monkies what anyone eats.- whether they eat meat, vegetables or whatever. But there you go.

And just one tiny thing ...

archer22 wrote: »

I find any kind of meat diet heavy and hard to digest...also when I was on a meat diet I could not lose excess weight despite doing a lot of fitness training.
Since going vegetarian I have lost all excess fat and am now virtually as lean and fit as I was when I was young.I have not found any lack of energy on a vegetarian diet, quite the opposite in fact.And there is no need to diet as such when vegetarian you can eat as much as you want so no need to go hungry or minimise portions etc.Just eat when ever you feel like eating.

So if as you claim "archer22 is actually a meat eater"(sic) then either you lie or are deluded.

So there we have it folks. Ad hominem, advocacy for same and false statements.

And people wonder why others have little if any respect for the type of ****e which some self declared veg*ns exhibit :mad:

Unearthly · 06-05-2019 06:44PM

gozunda wrote: »

there really are some decent vegans out there

I'd be disappointed if you didn't think I was one

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2019 07:01PM

gozunda wrote: »

And just for the record I don't give a monkies what anyone eats.- whether they eat meat, vegetables or whatever. But there you go.

You have 450 posts in the vegan forum but you don't care what people eat?

auspicious · 06-05-2019 07:09PM

silverharp wrote: »

there are a range of optimal diets, i wouldnt list veganism as one, i'd imagine its better than some obviously bad diets, it just seems easy to become deficient in various nutrients so then becomes complicated, having to resort to various supplements

Personally I only take veg1 supplement from the Vegan Soceity. It contains the D3, B12, and iodine I need regularly, amongst others.
I get my omega 3 from walnuts, kidney beans, chia seeds, flax seeds and many other sources.
Selenium from brazil nuts, chia seeds, brown rice etc. You can also get B12 from fortified foods and nooch.

70% of Europeans and infants worldwide are deficient in Vit D.
2 billion people are deficient in iodine worldwide.
Ireland is one of the most selenium deficient countries in the world.

Ruminants obtain B12 from anaerobic bateria in soil but to properly synthesize it they require cobalt supplements as many soils are low in it.
Cobalt B12 supplements for cattle include selenium amongst others.

Adults over the age of 50 who have atrophic gastritis (their stomach isn’t making as much acid) may not absorb B12 as well. This accounts for the majority of deficiency in older adults. Because atrophic gastritis may be relatively common, a B12 supplement or fortified foods are recommended by the Institute of Medicine for all adults over age 50, regardless of diet.
- nutritionstudies.org

Edgware · 06-05-2019 07:37PM

auspicious wrote: »

Not ad hominem in a sense as if you read the post again, archer22 is actually a meat eater, and quite funny.

Is his sister a meat eater?

gozunda · 06-05-2019 07:48PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You have 450 posts in the vegan forum but you don't care what people eat?

Wtf?

Lordy even more following from thread to thread I post loads in the weather forum. Should I not post there as well? How many posts fo you have btw? So you're saying you believe no one else except 'special' people should post? Seriously!

It's funny the mod in the vegetarian etc forum has no issue with lots of different posters posting there - so why do you keep haranguing other posters? Why is that? If you have a problem maybe go talk to someone ok?

Btw if maintaining courtesy, respect, and exercising tolerance of opposing views is really that difficult, I doubt that a public forum format is the best place for your opinions on others.

anewme · 06-05-2019 08:00PM

I’m slowly switching from animal products. I don’t eat meat anymore but still eat fish currently so far from vegan. My friend has rescue hens, so I use those eggs only.

I use vegan flora and vegan Hellman’s mayo (great btw)

The only thing I’m struggling with is cheese.

I have a lot of expensive leather jackets, handbags, which I won’t buy again.

I’ve a very expensive leather couch, it’s still in good condition, but I’ve decided that must go as I see it daily.

Took my Mum out for a carvery dinner and asked if there was a veggie choice or fish option. The chef answered seriously that there is loads of veg and potatoes! So a carvery dinner without the meat. Brilliant!

Btw, have heard the new vegan sausage rolls in Applegreen area great!

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2019 08:03PM

Vegan flora is made with palm oil, I think we're supposed to avoid that

gozunda · 06-05-2019 08:09PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Vegan flora is made with palm oil, I think we're supposed to avoid that

Here you go. Good general background on the issues. I'm always surprised when people dont seem to be aware of this issue. But no matter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/39492207

anewme · 06-05-2019 08:11PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Vegan flora is made with palm oil, I think we're supposed to avoid that

Must look into that. I use the Pure Vegan spread as well.

That’s my point about it being a slow considered switch from me.

The Sun today had a video iRish calves (2-3 weeks old) being exported and the cruelty inflicted in them as they passed through the port of Cherbourg. I think arrests have been made. I can’t read it, but even the headline brings home to me that I won’t eat meat again.

auspicious · 06-05-2019 08:44PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Vegan flora is made with palm oil, I think we're supposed to avoid that

Avoid it. Wilmar supplies this palm oil and their record is shown in a poor light.

PDF:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://corporateaccountability.squarespace.com/s/NJM08_wilmar-tx4y.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi54PPI04fiAhUpSxUIHbU5Dh8QFjANegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0Xk0TUY51qJBoRKSMx0ecE

Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

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