Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

Foxtrol · 28-04-2019 10:32PM

klose wrote: »

Off topic but it always amazes me when I see avatar so far and away in the number one spot to this date, was their as much hype for the film at the time? Why did it succeed so well? Because it was a cgi fest?

First movie to really use 3D so had a huge novelty factor to get audience in and the huge run was helped by no real competition so stayed in theaters for ages.

SaltSweatSugar · 28-04-2019 10:34PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

I would love to see that film.
Oh hi guys, we're just going to destroy this guy's house now, cos he called me a dickhead online again, no big deal.

I totally read that in his voice. I adore Korg, he was one of the highlights of Ragnarok for me. Loved him in Endgame too, wasn’t expecting to see him again.

Ave Sodalis · 28-04-2019 10:44PM

Just watched it again with my partner who hasn't had a chance to see it. It was completely ruined by someone in front who would not stop talking at full volume (even shouting over the movie to make herself heard). Talking about the movie, granted, but still would not shut up.

shamrock55 · 28-04-2019 10:47PM

Just back from cinema and wow what a load of ****e that was, as I said to a friend if I had a time machine I'd go back 2.5hrs and not go in the door of the cinema

Mokuba · 28-04-2019 10:53PM

I've a feeling that this is going to be like The Force Awakens whereby everybody is extremely positive about it initially but upon some thought and reflection it is held in less high esteem.

It is certainly, in my opinion, a far inferior movie to Infinity War at the very least, with numerous holes, conveniences and more which the Russos hope you will overlook because of all the fan service.

shamrock55 · 28-04-2019 10:58PM

It's up there with lego movie 2 as the worst movie I've seen in 2019

Foxtrol · 28-04-2019 11:07PM

Went to see it again today and held up really well, it really is such an epic achievement. Obviously for most of it the sense of tension was taken away, but the final battle scene still gave me goosebumps (I caught a lot more that I missed the first time) and felt the emotion of the death way more than I expected. Like the end of IW, Tom Holland adds so much to the scene. The addition of a young Spiderman, especially with him taking the role, allowed a whole new perspective to the last few movies and they would have been the worse for not making that deal with Sony to get him.

Few thoughts:

On time travel, they seemed to be at pains to say that the key for there not to be alternate timelines is to return the infinity stones to the right time and that time will self right itself otherwise. I think it could hold up in some ways, like Captain America staying back, but I don't see how Thanos leaving his timeline and dying could. Maybe they'll come out with an explanation that Tony snapped his finger and sent all the 'bad guys' back to their time, but that somehow Thanos kept some memory/vision of Tony (which is what he talks about when they meet).

Drumpot, I caught that question and confusion from Tony as well about the date of the pregnancy. That couldn't have been an accident and they must be keeping some option open for later story lines. Not sure how much of a fan I'd be of going that route with any of the current cast or trying to shoehorn something in.

Can see them definitely using the snaps to bring in either fantastic 4 or mutants. They go out of their way to say the energy output (mostly gamma) has never been seen before and there was 3 on earth in the space of 5 years, with the other planet seeing a snap being uninhabited.

Ave Sodalis · 28-04-2019 11:13PM

Foxtrol wrote:

Drumpot, I caught that question and confusion from Tony as well about the date of the pregnancy. That couldn't have been an accident and they must be keeping some option open for later story lines. Not sure how much of a fan I'd be of going that route with any of the current cast or trying to shoehorn something in.

I just took it to mean that he never really thought about it, or thought that his father particularly cared enough to mention it.

Foxtrol · 28-04-2019 11:16PM

Mokuba wrote: »

I've a feeling that this is going to be like The Force Awakens whereby everybody is extremely positive about it initially but upon some thought and reflection it is held in less high esteem.

It is certainly, in my opinion, a far inferior movie to Infinity War at the very least, with numerous holes, conveniences and more which the Russos hope you will overlook because of all the fan service.

Decent chance of that trend, but it'll probably be more so due to the hardcore fans seeing it early and being satisfied, whereas it won't work as a standalone and people who have only seen a few MCU movies won't get near the payoff.

nix · 28-04-2019 11:38PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

It's up there with lego movie 2 as the worst movie I've seen in 2019

And whats your favourite so far? :pac:

ceegee · 28-04-2019 11:56PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Saw it again and still not sure how I feel about it. 7-10 still feels fair. I think noisy people don’t help also in convinced the sound was a millisecond behind the visual.

One thing I noticed was Tony being a bit confused when his dad said his wife was pregnant(in the lift). Almost like the date didn’t match up with what Tony thought or something like that. Not sure if that’s an opening for something else maybe?

Also makes a difference when you are at a screening with people who get all the jokes and the nods. The Crowd today were more casual viewers who didn’t get some of the nods like the Cap in the lift with hydra or even the Cap v Cap “yeh I know”!!!

The date Tony gave to Cap to go back to was 7th April 1970, he was born May 29th so he shouldn't have been surprised to hear she was pregnant.

Foxtrol · 29-04-2019 12:02AM

ceegee wrote: »

The date Tony gave to Cap to go back to was 7th April 1970, he was born May 29th so he shouldn't have been surprised to hear she was pregnant.

That's good to know. Seemed awkwardly scripted/acted though. Tony was a bit vague about how he knew that time was when they should travel to, maybe his parents had told him stories about working there when he was due to be born and Pym came up at some point.

IncognitoMan · 29-04-2019 02:32AM

pah wrote: »

If you went back 2.5 hrs you'd be 30 mins into the movie.

Good lad.

Maybe he really enjoyed the opening 30 minutes :pac:

FunLover18 · 29-04-2019 02:50AM

I am so tired of people asking "how did all the female characters find each other?". F*ck. Off.

How much time was there between Hulk snapping everyone back and the battle, five, maybe ten minutes. How did they manage to recap everyone in time for the battle? How did Wakanda gather their forces so quickly? So did everyone manage to find a wizard to magic up a portal so quickly? But no, a group of people, who are already on the same battlefield, finding each othee is the stupid bit!?!? Yes, it's pandering and the MCU isn't nearly representative as it should be or thinks it is but as a man who's seen male action heros stand and fight together is pretty much every single one of these movies (in most movie tbh) I can't even imagine what it must have felt like for a young girl seeing that kind of female empowering on the big screen and f*ck anyone who thinks they're being edgy or in any way clever for sh*tting on it. You're just being a d*ck.

29-04-2019 03:00AM

FunLover18 wrote:

How much time was there between Hulk snapping everyone back and the battle, five, maybe ten minutes. How did they manage to recap everyone in time for the battle? How did Wakanda gather their forces so quickly? So did everyone manage to find a wizard to magic up a portal so quickly? But no, a group of people, who are already on the same battlefield, finding each othee is the stupid bit!?!? Yes, it's pandering and the MCU isn't nearly representative as it should be or thinks it is but as a man who's seen male action heros stand and fight together is pretty much every single one of these movies (in most movie tbh) I can't even imagine what it must have felt like for a young girl seeing that kind of female empowering on the big screen and f*ck anyone who thinks they're being edgy or in any way clever for sh*tting on it. You're just being a d*ck.

I've always wondered what type of horse a white knight would ride.

Apparently it's a high one.

Podge_irl · 29-04-2019 03:41AM

I mostly thought it was stupid as she clearly didn’t need their help. I didn’t even cop that they were all women at the time and still thought it was a poorly done scene.

“How will you get through all that?”

Dunno mate, probably the same way she just flew through a ship and destroyed it.

Agent Coulson · 29-04-2019 04:44AM

Anyone else think RDJ really didn't look healthy in the film?

The White Wolf · 29-04-2019 05:50AM

klose wrote: »

Off topic but it always amazes me when I see avatar so far and away in the number one spot to this date, was their as much hype for the film at the time? Why did it succeed so well? Because it was a cgi fest?

Cameron just seems to be a god over in America and elsewhere. Remember Titanic came before Avatar in the BO smashing stakes.

29-04-2019 07:59AM

I am worried about seeing it again TBH.
Now that I will know the emotional beats ahead of time I fear the the whole time travel house of cards will tumble down on a second viewing.

I knew that they were creating massive holes in the timeline plot like... fine you are not changing the present by changing the past rather you are creating a different universe; so, you are now in that universe, how do you get back to your "present" if that is not in the future of the universe you just spun out?

I fear that they have made it a convoluted mess that I just did not have time to think of due to the pacing (didn't want to either as I was enjoying it) but will not be avoidable on repeat.

B-D-P-- · 29-04-2019 08:06AM

I so so so so so so want to go for pints with Korg

29-04-2019 08:25AM

B-D-P-- wrote: »

I so so so so so so want to go for pints with Korg

I wish we could have real Korg and Meek (especially Meek, to be honest, given his storyline)

Baggly · 29-04-2019 08:30AM

Meek's dead. He got stomped on the bridge.

Oh no wait he isnt!

Hercule Poirot · 29-04-2019 09:00AM

I've had time to think about it and now that I've calmed down I've realised that it's a convoluted mess - if you have time travel in a film then the film must establish it's own rules about time travel and stick to them, this doesn't come close to doing it - I have very little desire to watch this film a second time

Gbear · 29-04-2019 09:51AM

The time travel is really, really straight forward and is explained in quite a lot of detail.

I'm not a genius. It's just not complicated.

I'm baffled how anyone is having any trouble understanding it.

Mitch Connor · 29-04-2019 09:59AM

Gbear wrote: »

The time travel is really, really straight forward and is explained in quite a lot of detail.

I'm not a genius. It's just not complicated.

I'm baffled how anyone is having any trouble understanding it.

Can you explain it to me like i am 5?

Why did taking the stones from the past not simply stop the snap from having happened in the first place? If effecting the past doesn't effect the present, how did Cap end up on the bench at the end?

I can't get my head around how both things are possible in the same scenario

NuMarvel · 29-04-2019 10:37AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Can you explain it to me like i am 5?

Why did taking the stones from the past not simply stop the snap from having happened in the first place? If effecting the past doesn't effect the present, how did Cap end up on the bench at the end?

I can't get my head around how both things are possible in the same scenario

As far as I can tell, there are two sets of time travel rules; one for the stones, and one for everything else.

1) the stones protect the flow of time, and taking the stones out of the timeline messes things up. So they have to be put back. That's based on the conversation between the Ancient One and Banner during the Battle of New York.

2) Otherwise, changing events in the past doesn't change the present. That's based on the lecture Banner gives when War Machine asks why don't they travel back in time to kill baby Thanos. That also explains why 2014 Thanos can die in his future without changing the fact that 2018 Thanos still uses the stones.

I don't think the second one really isn't explained well in the movie. Banner spouts some mumbo jumbo about your past being your present, and your present being your future, and Nebula rolls her eyes at the stupid Terrans.

I wouldn't overthink it. It's a plot device to let them time travel without worrying about changing the continuity of the movies. The different rules for the stones is presumably to give Cap a reason to travel back in time again and live out his life with Peggy.

In the words of the world's foremost expert on time travel: It's all wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.

TheIrishGrover · 29-04-2019 10:47AM

Ethereal Cereal · 29-04-2019 10:48AM

NuMarvel wrote: »

As far as I can tell, there are two sets of time travel rules; one for the stones, and one for everything else.

1) the stones protect the flow of time, and taking the stones out of the timeline messes things up. So they have to be put back. That's based on the conversation between the Ancient One and Banner during the Battle of New York.

2) Otherwise, changing events in the past doesn't change the present. That's based on the lecture Banner gives when War Machine asks why don't they travel back in time to kill baby Thanos. That also explains why 2014 Thanos can die in his future without changing the fact that 2018 Thanos still uses the stones.

I don't think the second one really isn't explained well in the movie. Banner spouts some mumbo jumbo about your past being your present, and your present being your future, and Nebula rolls her eyes at the stupid Terrans.

I wouldn't overthink it. It's a plot device to let them time travel without worrying about changing the continuity of the movies. The different rules for the stones is presumably to give Cap a reason to travel back in time again and live out his life with Peggy.

In the words of the world's foremost expert on time travel: It's all wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.

Yea, the time travel mechanics in this movie are a mess. And if your going to use time travel as a plot device, you have to have your movie internal logic at %100. Take Terminator 1 as a fantastic example of time travel, probably one of the best movie examples I can think of.

On your points above, I don't think the writers intended for time travel to have different mechanics depending on whether you use the stones to time travel or not, but I think there should have been.

A simple line to say this, then use Hulk's snap to undo the first snap completely. Like Tony actually says "Remember, only bring the vanished back to now, don't undo anything else from the last 5 years"... eh, why not?

This would have avoided the universe wide travesty that occurred after the initial snap, regardless of whether vanished were brought back or not.

I dont think it would have cheapened IW since all they are undoing are the events detailed in EndGame.

Midnight_EG · 29-04-2019 10:49AM

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Failing to understand this

correction · 29-04-2019 10:50AM

It's certainly a one time watch. A very emotionally satisfying and exciting movie which does it's job perfectly on the first viewing. Sure it won't stand up to more viewings but I don't think it needs to.

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Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]