Avengers: Endgame [ SPOILERS FROM POST 613 ]

Slydice · 25-04-2019 10:06PM

You know who got off pretty lightly...

the other Universe which Gamora, Nebula and Thanos .. his army and his big ship .. all left behind to come forward in time.

you know what as well.. now we've got the big ship that Thanos brought. Granted Captain Marvel knocked lumps out of it but it looked like a good chunk that crashed into the lake will be salvagable.

Midnight_EG · 25-04-2019 10:06PM

So... Where's Loki then after what we saw

ziedth · 25-04-2019 10:07PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

So... Where's Loki then after what we saw

I can only assume that TV show will pick up around there

EagererBeaver · 25-04-2019 10:10PM

Ok, I loved it even though it has its inevitable flaws.

I really liked what they managed to do with Hulk but really like, it would have been so much better if he was Ragnarok Hulk and he smashed like **** having been unable to in the first film. Really wanted to see him and Thanos have a rematch.

johnnysmack · 25-04-2019 10:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't think that is right either.

The hail hydra, fight vs Cap and loki disappearing with the stone wouldn't have happened originally.

Probably best not to try work it out cause I can't place the realities being different with Cap being old at the end. Feels like it should be one or the other.

It's a mind melter alright but they're all different timelines/universe's/realities. It's not a linear timeline as we would imagine it. Past thanos could travel forward post snap even though he never did the snap himself because he was from a different reality.

Imagine a road as our timeline. Now think of a multi lane highway with thanos from one lane jumping into a new lane.

Same with Loki and other new interactions, new timelines and realities to the one we know originally.

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:30PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think that sort of sums up how I feel about it.

I have to say that moment where all the
women heroes come to together to fight in the end battle
was truly terrible. In a massive
battle all the woman will gravitate to each other at the same moment
?

And captain marvel felt a bit
over powered to be honest
. I know people will say that’s how she was in comics but I don’t care for it. I enjoy the movies and making a character introduced only a few weeks ago and making them integral to our heroes journey was bad. It was liking trying to make me care about
Hawkeyes
story arc but at least he had been in other movies!

I think 7/10 is a very fair rating. There was some great humor and some savage moments of great cinema. Maybe on second viewing I will like it more (happened with infinity for me) but I actually at the moment I prefer infinity.

Allready did that in Infinity Wars and feel making a lot more of it then it is.

As for Captain Marvel I felt she has a much smaller role then I thought she would.

Recusing Tony was obvious as no one else can do it

The ship thing was done in her movie. For everything else she did she was bested in like 30 seconds later

Penn · 25-04-2019 10:31PM

I absolutely loved it. No doubt about it, it's not perfect and has its flaws throughout. I think any logic relating to the time travel elements just has to be ignored or passed off as "Tony or Hulk used the gauntlet to fix paradoxes such as Thanos from 2014 now being killed before he collects the stones when they used them".

I'm also glad that in using the stones to undo the snap, they didn't simply rewind time and go back to before the snap to stop it, but rather they're keeping the effect of the snap as part of the MCU. Will be interesting to see how that plays out in future movies (though again, could cause having to really ignore the logics of it all).

But, while it's not perfect, it's goddamn epic. For people who have invested in the movies over the last 10 years, it just gives chills throughout. For some reason, the bit that gave me the biggest chill and damn near brought a tear to my eye was Sam's "... on your left..." just before everyone appeared.

While Chris Evans and RDJ again gave fantastic performances, Chris Hemsworth proved again why he's the unsung hero of the whole MCU. He's such a great all-rounder and can take the character to such weird places. GOTG could be a great fit for him too, but I also hope the rumours of a possible Thor 4 come true.

McDermotX · 25-04-2019 10:36PM

Theres little to be gained in trying to explain if there are any or no potential implications for the timeline or if other timelines exist, as the Russo's were at great pains to twist the audience's preestablished notions of what we think about time travel.
In many ways it's a bit of a cheap trick, and I think it's a stumbling block that they compromised on, and in some ways, tripped themselves up on, especially given another lesson halfway through via Bruce/The Ancient One about the restorative nature of returning the stones to their exact place in the timeline. Something again we're reminded of in the last 10mins.

Believe they wanted the core message about our hero's present being their past and what you think of the past being their future as enough for the audience to accept and move on the narrative.

No doubt there'll be people out there already picking apart their attempt in the shape of YouTube videos and what not, but it's probably something that the majority will accept for the sake of entertainment (in spite of what films and books down the years have 'taught' them about messing with the timeline).
Second viewing might clear it up somewhat.

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:36PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think Marvel are going to have to bring in Fantastic 4 (and bring them in succesfully) as a starting point for injecting new life and interest in the franchise. Hopefully they can keep Spider-Man as well, I feel they will need him.

I'm not a fan of Black Panther, but I think Shuri could be a star - somewhat taking over from Iron Man on the tech side.

Will be interesting to see how Eternals and the Asian character are received and play into their plans going forward.

Captain Marvel is the most intresting to me, in that I can't work out how she will play out. She added so little to endgame, I'm not sure why they felt the need to introduce her so late. Her character portrayal is currently not what I would like it to be. I don't know if that is down to timing issues, but if they don't 'fix' her, she will be a big concern. Way too powerful at the moment. I had assumed Endgame would have some plot point would depower her a bit. but no.

How was she 2 powerful she did 2 things sucessful 1 was get Tony from space as she was the only 1 to do it and 2 was the ship blowing up but she did that in her movie. The rest she was thrown around the place after 30 seconds.

I will agree she got so little time and it was a surprise she was rusheed to be in it but I guess a sequel has not been ordered and I guess any team up will be spaced based they have time to figure it out

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:39PM

ILikeBoats wrote: »

Yeah I feel the same. Not sure I'll have the same attachment

I feel this is the difference between comics and movies you can change a character in a comic with the same power eg: The Flash Barry Bart and Wally or Captain America Steve Rogers Bucky and I think a third and it can work but in movies as they are spaced out it does not work so well. Also getting older may change our tastes

PTH2009 · 25-04-2019 10:40PM

was that

Foggy from Daredevil in Caps support group meeting the guy who was crying ???

would of been a cool moment in the battle if

out of one of the circles a few of the TV characters came out and helped fight

They never answerned where Hawkeye was during IW, we knw where Antman was and

A misplaced Rat brought him back from the Relm. BTW how did the truck get down there

It must of been some misrible 5 years tbh during the dark times. I wonder did

The vanished have a sort of purgatory that they all went too

.

Anyone feel sorry for Thanos when he died first, he was just leaving peacefully in his own world

RickBlaine · 25-04-2019 10:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I alone thinking there was too much comedy after the brooding atmosphere of IW?

I think Thor was the butt of one or two too many jokes. He is basically an alcoholic suffering from PTSD. I think once he got to Asgard with Rocket, his comedy should have been toned down and focused on the mission and his Reunion with his mother.

NuMarvel · 25-04-2019 10:43PM

For anyone confused about the movie's time travel rules, here's an expert opinion:

martingriff · 25-04-2019 10:43PM

McLoughlin wrote: »

Its a nod to the A-Force comic

Did not know that but then again not a big comic reader

dreamers75 · 25-04-2019 10:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

was that

They never answerned where Hawkeye was during IW, we knw where Antman was and
A misplaced Rat brought him back from the Relm. BTW how did the truck get down there

Both were on house arrest after Civil war, it was mentioned in one of them.

seandotcomm · 25-04-2019 10:48PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying McLoughlin.

Whether it was a nod to the comic or to #metoo (could be both ok fairness) , I found it nauseating. It didn’t bring humor or any emotional punch, it added nothing good to the movie.

I am actually looking forward to going to this again becahse there is a lot to love about the movie and maybe crap like that won’t annoy me as much knowing it might of been a comic nod.

Yea, it was so forced. Half expected Destiny's Child to start playing over it

NuMarvel · 25-04-2019 10:50PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

Both were on house arrest after Civil war, it was mentioned in one of them.

It was mentioned in IW. Someone asks where Clint is, and Widow says he and Scott took plea bargains. Plus, Barton has an ankle bracelet in the very first scene of Endgame.

RickBlaine · 25-04-2019 10:56PM

At the end before Cap went back in time, Bucky said he'll miss him. That obviously means he told Bucky of his plan to stay in the past because he was meant to return within a few second.

I'm just back from seeing it a second time. I must say Stark's death hit me harder the second time. Don't know why to be honest. Like my first screening, loads of people were sobbing. I think it is a real testament to the writers, directors and especially RDJ that his death had that effect. One thing that really stood out on second viewing was Stark's three conditions for undertaking the mission that he mentions to Cap:
- Bring everyone back
- Don't change the last 5 years (basically keep his daughter)
- Don't die in the process.

He got the first 2.

NuMarvel · 25-04-2019 10:56PM

seandotcomm wrote: »

Yea, it was so forced. Half expected Destiny's Child to start playing over it

It felt very tokenistic. It was like they were saying "Look, see here are the wimminz!"

If they want to show their support for gender equality, then get more female led movies into production. Pronto. Because one in 22 movies so far, and only one in production, is not a good look. Especially when this scene shows they already have plenty of female characters to choose from.

PS I loved the movie. But this was one of the scenes that made me roll my eyes a little. On the other hand, it's amazing how many sins you'll forgive when

you hear Avengers assemble being uttered for the very first time

.

Penn · 25-04-2019 10:57PM

martingriff wrote: »

Did not know that but then again not a big comic reader

I knew about A-Force and I guess this was their way of referencing it (and there have been calls for Marvel to do an A-Force movie), but even with that yeah it just really stood out during the battle scene and unfortunately not in a good way. If it was some of them, fine. But they pretty much threw every female hero into that shot (including Mantis, Okoye, and even The Wasp who was supposed to be helping Scott at that very moment) just to get a group shot of them all. It was just quite jarring and took me out of the battle scene momentarily.

DrumSteve · 25-04-2019 10:58PM

I dunno, just seen it and I feel a bit meh afterwards.

Should have just had 3 hours of Korg and Meek playing fortnite.

NuMarvel · 25-04-2019 11:00PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I dunno, just seen it and I feel a bit meh afterwards.

Should have just had 3 hours of Korg and Meek playing fortnite.

That was the post credits scene. Didn't you hang around for that?

martingriff · 25-04-2019 11:04PM

ziedth wrote: »

I enjoyed it I must say. It was never going to be a slam dunk with so much going on but all in all I thought it was as good as it could have been.

I wasnt fully sold on certain parts of the humour (Thors beer hut was a decent gag but I'm not sure was there a movies worth in it) and as mentioned above I let out a bit of a groan at the needless shoehorned female superhero empowerment scene but they are both fairly minor issues.

I had wondered how they were going to get around Loki's death with his TV show coming to Disney Streaming and it was a quick sidestep but I like that this version ok Loki in the show isn't going to be the hero that he turned into and more of the villain that will presumably have a redemptive storyline or whatever.

Loved Iron Man's and Cap's send off. Personally I think they fell into Nolan's trap from the Dark Knight rises and showed too much. I think a note carved into a tree and then a cut to them dancing would have had a better pay off. But it was an ending I didn't see coming and thought he was going to be killed off.

I was surprised by Black Widows end but maybe she wanted out or whatever but it fit well into the story.

All in all while not perfect and it's almost fashionable to hate on Marvel these days they deserve an awful amount of credit for pulling this off to the level that they have. The next set of movies (outside of guardians 3 and maybe spiderman) don't really interest me anywhere near as much so for me apart from bringing my son to them I kinda view this as my ending to the franchise.

Of these 20 odd films I would say half dozen have been excellent. 10 have been perfectly watchable with a couple of below average and none of them really poor IMO with a strong ending telling a full story. I don't think we'll see anything like it for a long time and certainly not to the same standard.

I fu;;y expected him to just morph back in ti shape after the I am still worthy scene as if I am a God I can look as I like and I say in action parts it is gone

martingriff · 25-04-2019 11:09PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

was that
Foggy from Daredevil in Caps support group meeting the guy who was crying ???

would of been a cool moment in the battle if
out of one of the circles a few of the TV characters came out and helped fight

They never answerned where Hawkeye was during IW, we knw where Antman was and
A misplaced Rat brought him back from the Relm. BTW how did the truck get down there

It must of been some misrible 5 years tbh during the dark times. I wonder did
The vanished have a sort of purgatory that they all went too
.

Anyone feel sorry for Thanos when he died first, he was just leaving peacefully in his own world

They say in IW Clint(Hawkeye) and Scott(Antman) took a deal after Civil War and were under house arrest with ankle brackets you see Haweye wearing 1 when he teached his daughter to shoot an arrow

DrumSteve · 25-04-2019 11:12PM

NuMarvel wrote: »

That was the post credits scene. Didn't you hang around for that?

Goddammit.

martingriff · 25-04-2019 11:13PM

Penn wrote: »

I knew about A-Force and I guess this was their way of referencing it (and there have been calls for Marvel to do an A-Force movie), but even with that yeah it just really stood out during the battle scene and unfortunately not in a good way. If it was some of them, fine. But they pretty much threw every female hero into that shot (including Mantis, Okoye, and even The Wasp who was supposed to be helping Scott at that very moment) just to get a group shot of them all. It was just quite jarring and took me out of the battle scene momentarily.

Ya if they did it a bit like IW where they show up when she needed them instead all as 1 it be better. But it did show how many female superheroes there are but Pepper should not have been one I know why she was there for the end

NuMarvel · 25-04-2019 11:16PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Goddammit.

I'm kidding. The end credit scene was actually just Deadpool in a bathrobe and a Mickey Mouse hat telling everyone to go home. Or, it should have been if Marvel had a sense of humour.

shocksy · 25-04-2019 11:18PM

Just out of the cinema now and I have to say I'm quite disappointed in the film. I guess I expected more. I don't feel satisfied with it. One previous poster said he felt "meh" and I'm feeling that too.

martingriff · 25-04-2019 11:19PM

Is Sharon not Peggy's Granddaughter at least as would she have had to been in her 50's or 60's when Captain meets her in the movies

abcabc123123 · 25-04-2019 11:24PM

Absolutely loved it. Couldn't be more satisfied. Cap wielding mjolnir and Scarlett Witch taking on Thanos were proper nerdgasm moments for me.

Gutted Black Widow died. Sad to see Iron Man and Cap go too although I think, particularly in Iron Man's case, that it needed to happen to give the newer characters room to develop.

Had no clue what scene folks were referring to re: the girl power.

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