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Our economy being too centered around Dublin.

  • 23-04-2019 12:13AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭


    Following on from Pat Spillane’s chat on the LLS that Dublin is 40% of the country’s economic activity, London is 20% and other EU capital cities average around 10%. This can’t be good for the country as a whole going forward.

    And tonight on RTE news they were saying that there’s now 123 tower cranes in Dublin while there is only about 15 in the rest of the country.

    This is leading to so many problems long term for people living in Dublin including the housing crisis. What can be done to address the problem?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Its too late.


  • Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're saying one thing, and then another entirely. Neither heads or tails. I'll leave you to your ramblings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Almost sounds like personal spat.

    From the article:

    "The minister has also released details of text messages he recently received from Mr Spillane in which he praises Mr Ring and the Government's policy on rural affairs."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Dublin is at bursting point, ****e public transport system and cannot drive anywhere in comfort


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Dublin is at bursting point, ****e public transport system and cannot drive anywhere in comfort

    If things continue on the current trajectory it’s going to be detrimental for the rest of the country yet no politician is saying anything about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    The public transport or lack thereof, the traffic congestion, crazy house prices, crime, lack of water supply and yet no politician has the balls to say anything.

    We are the people who elected these clowns and will reelect most of the same clowns again and should give ourselves a good kick in the hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭poisonated


    Oh great. Another anti Dublin thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,836 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Leo is from Dublin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    If things continue on the current trajectory it’s going to be detrimental for the rest of the country yet no politician is saying anything about it.

    Most of the rest of the country has been struggling for the past 12 years or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Leo is from Dublin

    So is one in four people in the country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Boom boom boom.... I want you in my room...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Leo is from Dublin

    Eh !!!!????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭keepalive213


    Following on from Pat Spillane’s chat on the LLS that Dublin is 40% of the country’s economic activity, London is 20% and other EU capital cities average around 10%. This can’t be good for the country as a whole going forward.

    And tonight on RTE news they were saying that there’s now 123 tower cranes in Dublin while there is only about 15 in the rest of the country.

    This is leading to so many problems long term for people living in Dublin including the housing crisis. What can be done to address the problem?

    Are you doing a school project on stating the blindingly obvious while inadvertently creating yet another - rest of the country v Dublin debate.
    Is that the craic like?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Following on from Pat Spillane’s chat on the LLS that Dublin is 40% of the country’s economic activity, London is 20% and other EU capital cities average around 10%. This can’t be good for the country as a whole going forward.

    Just a point on that.

    The UK as 100 cities with populations over 100k.
    Germany has 76.
    France has about 40.
    Ireland has 2.

    It's not inconceivable that economic activity is going to be centered around cities. Ireland only really has two cities, Dublin (pop ~1 million) and Cork (pop ~200k).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Just a point on that.

    The UK as 100 cities with populations over 100k.
    Germany has 76.
    France has about 40.
    Ireland has 2.

    It's not inconceivable that economic activity is going to be centered around cities. Ireland only really has two cities, Dublin (pop ~1 million) and Cork (pop ~200k).

    This.

    The numbers don't match as while generally capital cities are one of the biggest (if not) there are just more large cities in those countries.

    Where do you want to put these cranes?

    What are you going to build there?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    If people want to join Dublin's rat race, crack on. I'm happy having my simple life down the country. I work two part-time jobs, one is a two-minute walk from my house, the other is fifteen minute walk. I don't earn much but any stress I have is not caused by my location.

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Dr. Kenneth Noisewater


    Ireland, like many European countries, has a primate city (i.e. one that is multiple times larger than the second city). However, the counterbalance in Ireland doesn't really exist the way it does in larger countries.

    For a country of less than 5 million, we have a capital city that can compete with Europe's major urban centres for business and investment, which is impressive in itself. Dublin's success has been capitalised on to a fair degree. Unfortunately it has been realised in a piecemeal fashion with silly zoning and residential policies, combined with lack of proper investment in infrastructure, creating major problems for the people that mean to live and work there.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    If people want to join Dublin's rat race, crack on. I'm happy having my simple life down the country. I work two part-time jobs, one is a two-minute walk from my house, the other is fifteen minute walk. I don't earn much but any stress I have is not caused by my location.

    Theres an appeal to the slow country life. To most people however, life means much more than picking Gourds off the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    At the current rate of sprawl, in 50-100 years Ireland will be all Dublin. Tower cranes everywhere. Just rename the whole island the Republic of Suburbia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Following on from Pat Spillane’s chat on the LLS that Dublin is 40% of the country’s economic activity, London is 20% and other EU capital cities average around 10%. This can’t be good for the country as a whole going forward.

    And tonight on RTE news they were saying that there’s now 123 tower cranes in Dublin while there is only about 15 in the rest of the country.

    This is leading to so many problems long term for people living in Dublin including the housing crisis. What can be done to address the problem?

    If a company wants to come and set up in Dublin what is the government ment to do ? Say go to Leitrim or **** off... Then the company will go elsewhere.

    I do think we should look at attracting companies to the commuter belt. Like Virginia, Kells for example you can get to the Airport quicker than in many parts of Dublin, good internet speed, plenty of Greenfield sites and fantastic transport links to Dublin. Hundreds travelling from these towns to Dublin every morning so there's talent there.

    What will it take is tax deals. Offer companies further tax deals to set up away from Dublin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    It annoys me too.

    But, do we not have 50% of our population in Dublin to match the 40% of activity.

    Would London not have 20% of U.K. population to match its 20% of activity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    We need something like a BMW regional operational Programme https://www.nwra.ie/competitiveness/bmw-regional-operational-programme-2014-2020/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Dublin is tiny if you compare to most European cities....

    The issue is not with Dublin, more with the county council who look after the rest of the country, wasted tax payer money on stupid projects are the order of the day

    Go to a small town/city in Ireland and the traffic is awful and when you finally get to the “centre” it looks bloody awful.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭mickuhaha


    Many big companies have attempted to come to the Irish country side to set up and do business yet a lack of planning permission, infrastructure, quick and clear information in place to do business. Even our own Irish business have to jump via hoops to get anything done. it's easier to buy in the city and redevelop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    It should be possible to have a more even distribution, germany has probably the best regional balance, both France and the UK are dominated by one city but we are extreme in terms of Dublin being the only show

    New Zealand has the same population as us yet has seven cities with population over 100k, we need to see the other cities here grow and business will follow, this will inevitably lead to further decline in rural areas but that trend is now unstoppable


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Did they specify how many cranes were on the northside and how many were on the southside ?

    I bet ya anything there are more on the southside, they always get more than the northside. Bastards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We have enough evidence to show that companies will locate outside Dublin.
    Cork has long been a strong location for pharma companies.
    At least 3 of the top producers of replacement hip and knee joints have plants in the south west.
    Galway has many med-tech multinationals, Sligo has a few.
    Apple in Cork and formerly Dell in Limerick.

    I have long felt that we are creating a bigger and bigger problem by allowing to grow dis-proportionally. We are heading for 35% of the population living within 1.3% of the land-space and many of these are living a poorer quality of life due to commuting times and housing prices.

    Yes, companies will have a preference where they want to locate but they have only followed the narrative which we have created around Dublin being the only place to be in this country. We have been so busy trying to equate Dublin to London/Paris/New York that we are now caught in this circumstance.

    Building a 2nd runway at Dublin while Cork and Shannon are vastly underutilised and people having to drive from beside these airports to get many flights is one thing the government could have but a stop to for the betterment of the wider country.
    Every 'National' facility having to be located within eyesight of the spire is another.
    The speed at which any discussion which thinks national policy should be in the interest of the wider country is called Dublin-bashing is a sign of how big a mess we are in as now, the number living in and very close by to Dublin is more than it can handle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Did they specify how many cranes were on the northside and how many were on the southside ?

    I bet ya anything there are more on the southside, they always get more than the northside. Bastards.
    It's important to remember what separates us from the animals: the Liffey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,207 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Ronin247 wrote: »
    The public transport or lack thereof, the traffic congestion, crazy house prices, crime, lack of water supply and yet no politician has the balls to say anything.

    We are the people who elected these clowns and will reelect most of the same clowns again and should give ourselves a good kick in the hole.

    Well whenever a politician attempts to tackle these infrastructure issues in Dublin they get lambasted by a plethora of rural tds about shpendin all de monee above in Dublin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well whenever a politician attempts to tackle these infrastructure issues in Dublin they get lambasted by a plethora of rural tds about shpendin all de monee above in Dublin

    Because the rural TD's would like to see more people in the rural community.
    Invest the money in something which will allow people to stay in rural communities and you get two things.

    More people contributing to local rural economies,
    Less demand on services and housing in Dublin.


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