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Is it oppressive for the the Irish flag to be illegal in Northern Ireland

  • 22-04-2019 03:21PM
    #1
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭


    Up until the GFA the Irish flag was illegal in Northern Ireland, they even used to raid people's houses for them.

    Do you consider that oppression?


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  • #2
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    John2136 wrote: »
    Up until the GFA the Irish flag was illegal in Northern Ireland, they even used to raid people's houses for them.

    Do you consider that oppression?

    Do I now?
    No, because that was then, this is now...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #3
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    It was the flag of a foreign power that claimed part of the UK as their own without any thought for the wishes of the majority of its inhabitants. That's what articles 2,3 meant to most people up there pre Belfast agreement. Imagine living in Taiwan and having prc flags in your face all day.


  • #4
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭John2136


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    It was the flag of a foreign power that claimed part of the UK as their own without any thought for the wishes of the majority of its inhabitants. That's what articles 2,3 meant to most people up there pre Belfast agreement. Imagine living in Taiwan and having prc flags in your face all day.

    Did loyalists or the British have any concern about that when they partitioned Ireland against the wishes of the majority of it's inhabitants?


  • #5
    judeboy101
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    John2136 wrote: »
    Did loyalists or the British have any concern about that when they partitioned Ireland against the wishes of the majority of it's inhabitants?

    Didn't we vote in a free and fair election knowing full well partition was the outcome? And we still choose it? Brits didn't partition anything we choose it.


  • #6
    GM228
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    John2136 wrote: »
    Up until the GFA the Irish flag was illegal in Northern Ireland, they even used to raid people's houses for them.

    Do you consider that oppression?

    To clarify, the Irish flag was never illegal in NI, rather the Police had the power to remove any flag or emblem (note, the Irish flag was never specifically mentioned) which may potentially cause a breach of peace.

    This was a power afforded by S2 of the Flags and Emblems (Display) Act (Northern Ireland) 1954 and it was repealed 11 years before the Good Friday Agreement.


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  • #7
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭John2136


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Didn't we vote in a free and fair election knowing full well partition was the outcome? And we still choose it? Brits didn't partition anything we choose it.

    The public didn't vote, and it was under threat of the full military might of the British empire.


  • #8
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    John2136 wrote: »
    The public didn't vote, and it was under threat of the full military might of the British empire.

    ratification of treaty needed elections as per the treaty terms and people voted in those elections full well with the knowledge that if enacted NI had the option to remain in UK under the 1920 act. If you want to blame anyone for partition, look no forward than your own great grandparents ( assuming they were not sinn fein/ff or unionist.)


  • #9
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭John2136


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    ratification of treaty needed elections as per the treaty terms and people voted in those elections full well with the knowledge that if enacted NI had the option to remain in UK under the 1920 act. If you want to blame anyone for partition, look no forward than your own great grandparents ( assuming they were not sinn fein/ff or unionist.)

    Just to clarify no one actually wanted partition even FG who voted for the treaty. It was at the barrel of a gun that they voted yes.


  • #10
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭John2136


    GM228 wrote: »
    To clarify, the Irish flag was never illegal in NI, rather the Police had the power to remove any flag or emblem (note, the Irish flag was never specifically mentioned) which may potentially cause a breach of peace.

    This was a power afforded by S2 of the Flags and Emblems (Display) Act (Northern Ireland) 1954 and it was repealed 11 years before the Good Friday Agreement.

    True


  • #11
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    So not illegal then.


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  • #12
    John2136
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭John2136


    Graham wrote: »
    So not illegal then.

    It was illegal in every way but they done it smart so technically not illegal.

    If you're house can be raided for it it's as good as illegal.


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    John2136 wrote: »
    Up until the GFA the Irish flag was illegal in Northern Ireland, they even used to raid people's houses for them.

    Do you consider that oppression?
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