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Have we reach peak LGBT nonsense?

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  • #242
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    salmocab wrote: »
    Why do you assume people would say oh there’s that rugby player who has antiquated views, why not oh there’s that bigoted dick I’m not spending my money supporting him. Or Qantas saying we’re not giving money to that crowd as they pay that bigot? Also the players on the team might have an issue with him especially someone like David Pocock. He was warned before so it’s not like this came out of nowhere.

    If you can assume so can I.
    I find what he said to be utter nonsense, but it is a case of pinning the blame on one man rather than the entire religion. When Qantas are prepared to ban from their flights all followers of religions that say it is wrong to be gay, then I will take them seriously. But if they withdraw their sponsorship over his articulation of a belief held by millions of deluded followers of religion, then they are merely hypocrites hitting on an easy target.


  • #243
    Varta
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Incredibly stupid, it defies logic. You actually hope that when he put forward these views in a public setting he was under the influence of drugs, alcohol or both. To have a great, sought after career, which for a large part in essence is made possible by the public whom some of will be gay, have gay friends and relatives etc... as stupid as he might be for expressing these views, to have given them thought, consideration to the point of believing them is fûcking bananas.

    He was under the influence of religion. A very powerful drug indeed.


  • #244
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Aside from the fact that gay people are real and god isn't there's still quite a big difference. He could have chosen to tweet nothing that day for example. If he claims that jews would burn in he'll if they didn't repent we wouldn't be having this conversation for example.

    Don't think that would be the case, someone most likely would have opened a thread about it.


  • #245
    eagle eye
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    He will probably end up on mire money than he earned in Australua with a French team or even an Irish one. The clubs that don't go in for him are foolish, he is that good.


  • #246
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Varta wrote: »
    If you can assume so can I.
    I find what he said to be utter nonsense, but it is a case of pinning the blame on one man rather than the entire religion. When Qantas are prepared to ban from their flights all followers of religions that say it is wrong to be gay, then I will take them seriously. But if they withdraw their sponsorship over his articulation of a belief held by millions of deluded followers of religion, then they are merely hypocrites hitting on an easy target.
    Do you understand the difference between an employee and a customer?


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  • #247
    Bannasidhe
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    He will probably end up on mire money than he earned in Australua with a French team or even an Irish one. The clubs that don't go in for him are foolish, he is that good.

    A French team might certainly pick him up - probably will - but I seriously doubt the IRFU will touch him. He is now on the "loose cannon" list.
    His international career is most likely over.
    Which I think is a waste as Falou is a sublime rugby player. But he had his chance to consider his actions after he was warned a year ago.


  • #248
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Do you understand the difference between an employee and a customer?

    What a sad, unprincipled outlook you have on life.


  • #249
    sydthebeat
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    He will probably end up on mire money than he earned in Australua with a French team or even an Irish one. The clubs that don't go in for him are foolish, he is that good.

    He certainly won't be picked up by an Irish club :D


  • #250
    magicbastarder
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Do you understand the difference between an employee and a customer?
    Varta wrote: »
    What a sad, unprincipled outlook you have on life.

    i'm guessing that's a 'no'.


  • #251
    Varta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Varta


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i'm guessing that's a 'no'.

    I'm guessing you guess at most things in life.

    If I was aware that a person was spewing hatred towards gay people I wouldn't give them my business, nor would I take their business, and I wouldn't work for them. But then I have principles.


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  • #252
    TCM
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    salmocab wrote:
    Why do you assume people would say oh there’s that rugby player who has antiquated views, why not oh there’s that bigoted dick I’m not spending my money supporting him. Or Qantas saying we’re not giving money to that crowd as they pay that bigot? Also the players on the team might have an issue with him especially someone like David Pocock. He was warned before so it’s not like this came out of nowhere.


    If the player is good enough nobody really cares.


  • #253
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,486 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    sydthebeat wrote:
    He certainly won't be picked up by an Irish club
    Yeah because they are stupid enough to care about what a few people think about a players comments. I'm sure the majority of rugby fans couldn't care less about that stuff as long as he delivers on the pitch.


  • #254
    WinnyThePoo
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    sydthebeat wrote:
    He certainly won't be picked up by an Irish club
    Yeah because they are stupid enough to care about what a few people think about a players comments. I'm sure the majority of rugby fans couldn't care less about that stuff as long as he delivers on the pitch.
    Think you might be quite mistaken with that assumption.


  • #255
    batgoat
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Yeah because they are stupid enough to care about what a few people think about a players comments. I'm sure the majority of rugby fans couldn't care less about that stuff as long as he delivers on the pitch.

    I would say it's more a matter of tolerance and trying to make rugby a more inclusive game. Not very dissimilar to how football tends to have a more zero tolerance policy on racism.


  • #256
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,641 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Varta wrote: »
    I'm guessing you guess at most things in life.

    If I was aware that a person was spewing hatred towards gay people I wouldn't give them my business, nor would I take their business, and I wouldn't work for them. But then I have principles.

    But yet when AR find they have someone employed who does just that repeatedly and fire him you don’t agree with them, surely they have taken s principled stand at the very least?


  • #257
    Varta
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    salmocab wrote: »
    But yet when AR find they have someone employed who does just that repeatedly and fire him you don’t agree with them, surely they have taken s principled stand at the very least?

    They haven't, they have merely taken the easy option. You can be certain that there are many people in AR who feel the same way as he does. What about them? And it's not enough to say that he expressed his belief, because in my book that gives him an honesty that others don't have.


  • #258
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,641 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Varta wrote: »
    They haven't, they have merely taken the easy option. You can be certain that there are many people in AR who feel the same way as he does. What about them? And it's not enough to say that he expressed his belief, because in my book that gives him an honesty that others don't have.

    You said you have principles and wouldn’t work with someone that spewed hate towards gay people and somehow think that the people in Australian rugby should work with them? I really don’t see what point you think your making. Yes he does have an honesty about his beliefs. He’s entitled to them.


  • #259
    Tell me how
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    salmocab wrote: »
    You said you have principles and wouldn’t work with someone that spewed hate towards gay people and somehow think that the people in Australian rugby should work with them? I really don’t see what point you think your making. Yes he does have an honesty about his beliefs. He’s entitled to them.

    His beliefs are demeaning to a large section of society. We expect people to behave in certain ways because of the recognition of the benefit to society when others show they are willing to curb their behaviour for the greater good.

    Everyone is entitled to urinate, but we don't accept people doing so in open view. Everyone has to clear their throat and spit it out at some time but we don't tolerate people doing that in open view.

    Do you remember the day, when you were a child that you decided you were going to be attracted to people from the opposite sex? Remember having a think about that and deciding that yeah, you were going to be straight?
    Because I don't remember making a decision like that, I just remember starting to becoming attracted to girls.

    Folau is falsely suggesting that many people in society are choosing to act in a way which is evil. In the interests of society, expressing that view publicly is not acceptable.


  • #260
    cgcsb
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    Varta wrote: »
    What a sad, unprincipled outlook you have on life.

    what a pitiful understanding you have of how the world actually works.


  • #261
    cgcsb
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    Varta wrote: »
    I'm guessing you guess at most things in life.

    If I was aware that a person was spewing hatred towards gay people I wouldn't give them my business, nor would I take their business, and I wouldn't work for them. But then I have principles.

    I'm not sure if you're trolling or you're just a very silly person, large companies with hundreds of thousands of customers are not going to spend money discerning their clients views on various topics unrelated to the transaction. A company with an employee in the public view who makes highly offensive and controversial comments on twitter which breach the terms of his contract is an ENTIRELY different scenario.

    Do you think that Quantas is going to spend a billion man hours combing through the twitter of everyone who's ever flown with them?


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  • #262
    cgcsb
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    Varta wrote: »
    They haven't, they have merely taken the easy option. You can be certain that there are many people in AR who feel the same way as he does. What about them? And it's not enough to say that he expressed his belief, because in my book that gives him an honesty that others don't have.

    His contract wouldn't require him to be honest per say, just civil, and preferably silent on controversial topics.


  • #263
    Varta
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    salmocab wrote: »
    You said you have principles and wouldn’t work with someone that spewed hate towards gay people and somehow think that the people in Australian rugby should work with them? I really don’t see what point you think your making. Yes he does have an honesty about his beliefs. He’s entitled to them.

    Ok. Apologies if I am not being clear. What it comes down to is I think he is an easy target. He is spouting the nonsense that has been pumped into his head. In my opinion, people who are that committed to religion are either manipulative or not the full shilling. I don't believe he is being manipulative. He is saying that gay people will go to Hell... a place that doesn't exist. Yet there are many millions of people in the world who would happily stone gay people to death. Why are all the outraged people not confronting them. Mo Salah prays on the football pitch before each game and after each goal he scores. He is clearly very devout. His religion advocates throwing gay people off the top of buildings. By praying in public he is declaring his belief in that religion. David Luiz does the same thing. Why are people not going after them? Folau is an easy target. As regards how corporations behave in these situations, well, it's like sitting down to supper with Fagan after you've hanged little Oliver Twist for pick-pocketing. Corporations do whatever they do for the money.


  • #264
    Varta
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    His contract wouldn't require him to be honest per say, just civil, and preferably silent on controversial topics.

    I would be surprised if his contract forbids him from practising his religion. From his point of view, that is all he is doing. The elephant in the room is not Folau, it's his religion.


  • #265
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,486 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    People should have the right to voice their opinions so long as it's only speech and they are not out breaking the law.
    One guy is gay and unhappy about the religious guy saying he is going to hell. Should the guy castigating the man who is religious for being religious not suffer the same fate?


  • #266
    Varta
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you're trolling or you're just a very silly person, large companies with hundreds of thousands of customers are not going to spend money discerning their clients views on various topics unrelated to the transaction. A company with an employee in the public view who makes highly offensive and controversial comments on twitter which breach the terms of his contract is an ENTIRELY different scenario.

    Do you think that Quantas is going to spend a billion man hours combing through the twitter of everyone who's ever flown with them?

    I am neither trolling nor silly. Large companies with hundreds of thousands of customers happily do business with people and nations that would happily stone gay people to death. Large companies do everything they do for money. I care nothing about what they have to say regarding employees or customers. It is all irrelevant... the money is all that matters to them.


  • #267
    cgcsb
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    Varta wrote: »
    I would be surprised if his contract forbids him from practising his religion. From his point of view, that is all he is doing. The elephant in the room is not Folau, it's his religion.

    Eh no, you can practice your religion without spreading hate on twitter. This is not part of any religion, 'Jesus says go fourth twittter trolls and denounce the gays'.


  • #268
    cgcsb
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    Varta wrote: »
    Large companies do everything they do for money. I care nothing about what they have to say regarding employees or customers. It is all irrelevant... the money is all that matters to them.

    Now you're getting it.


  • #269
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,641 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Varta wrote: »
    Ok. Apologies if I am not being clear. What it comes down to is I think he is an easy target. He is spouting the nonsense that has been pumped into his head. In my opinion, people who are that committed to religion are either manipulative or not the full shilling. I don't believe he is being manipulative. He is saying that gay people will go to Hell... a place that doesn't exist. Yet there are many millions of people in the world who would happily stone gay people to death. Why are all the outraged people not confronting them. Mo Salah prays on the football pitch before each game and after each goal he scores. He is clearly very devout. His religion advocates throwing gay people off the top of buildings. By praying in public he is declaring his belief in that religion. David Luiz does the same thing. Why are people not going after them? Folau is an easy target. As regards how corporations behave in these situations, well, it's like sitting down to supper with Fagan after you've hanged little Oliver Twist for pick-pocketing. Corporations do whatever they do for the money.
    But nobody really cares about his religion just like people don’t care about mo salah Or David Luiz religion they can all do what they want but when mo salah tweets about throwing gay people off the top of buildings then he too would be in line for the public anger. It’s not him being religious that’s the problem it’s him expressing what will happen to others if they don’t fall into line with what he thinks.


  • #270
    cgcsb
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    People should have the right to voice their opinions so long as it's only speech and they are not out breaking the law.
    One guy is gay and unhappy about the religious guy saying he is going to hell. Should the guy castigating the man who is religious for being religious not suffer the same fate?

    No


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  • #271
    magicbastarder
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    Varta wrote: »
    I would be surprised if his contract forbids him from practising his religion. From his point of view, that is all he is doing.
    has the concept of tweeting been around long enough that it can be considered part of practicing your religion?
    i know plenty of people who practice their religion who don't even have a twitter account.


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