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US Presidential Election 2020

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    I'm biased when it comes to Harris as I have bet her at 33/1 a few years ago, but getting a little concerned right now sadly.

    https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/status/1110301531306409986

    This is her with AIPAC who have came under attack from the left of the party aka those who don't trust her whatsoever. Swerving the convention like all the other front runners and then meeting them with big smiles is a bit of a mis step. She is a bit all over the place when it comes to reparations and prostitution and other issues when it comes to the progressives.

    I know some have said she may be the Dem version of Rubio aka the chosen one by the establishment but like Marco this not her time whatsoever.

    My bank balance hopes the above is wrong though.:(

    I can easily see her winning the Dems nomination but I can also see her loosing them the election if Trump returns to form* and the economy stays buoyant.

    As far as I can see she has most of the negatives of Hillary Clinton, too establishment to fire up the economic left and too into identity** politics to peel away swing and disillusioned Republican voters and not offering anything new or interesting.

    Look at the groups that she is courting to support her primary at the minute.
    To quote this Reuters article "teachers unions, women and black voters", that will win her the primary but those are all demographics that the Democrats do pretty ok with anyway.

    In particular black voters are overwhelmingly Democrat anyway a Dem candidate has to do very very little to win that vote, how's a black candidate from California talking about some form of repartitions for slavery going to play in the swing states that she needs to win, its not simply about white voters either how will it be perceived by Hispanic, who are both a larger and less loyal as % to the democrats group. AFAIK Obama always downplayed any talk of repartitions presumably because he presumably understood how to win elections.



    * Trump really isn't a great politician, he was surprisingly good at campaigning though

    ** All politics is identity politics in some way but Harris can easily be stereotyped to be playing it.

    *** https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-harris/kamala-harris-courts-unions-minorities-with-call-to-raise-teacher-pay-idUSKCN1R70Z8


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    No real change over last week

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    No real change over last week

    Prefer live markets, rather than sample polls. The big change in the last week is some shortening on the Butthurt chap, overtaking Yang as the wildcard outsider (for Dem nom):

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Biden should walk away with it, I wouldn't totally discount Sanders as his rallies in 2016 had a lot of energy and he has a very loyal base.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Inevitable stories are starting up already about Biden, perhaps he won't run after all?

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1112016906477813760


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    SNIP. No more silly nicknames.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Inevitable stories are starting up already about Biden, perhaps he won't run after all?

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1112016906477813760

    Not that I'm defending Biden but why is this stuff suddenly appearing in 2019, apart from the obvious?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,935 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No more one-liner insults please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not that I'm defending Biden but why is this stuff suddenly appearing in 2019, apart from the obvious?
    Has a whiff of Stone's tactics about it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    This is an interesting article after a second Woman has accused Biden of inappropriately touching her. The first Woman is a Beto surrogate afaik, or at the very least attended some of his rallies.

    https://twitter.com/axios/status/1113055499719774208


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,860 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    This is all good, bad for Biden and if it's proven that Sanders was involved in the leaks then bad for him too. Hopefully it clears the way for a younger candidate like Beto who will win he he gets the opportunity to go up against Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


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    Latest PPP polling has all the leading Dems beating Trump nationally with Biden leading him by 13.

    On flipside Emerson has Trump beating every Dem candidate in Nevada except Biden. Nevada was won by Clinton in 2016. Biden leads by 4 but Harris is losing by 8 currently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Polls aside^, the real-world money-markets are shortening still, on Buttgieg. Close or equal to Biden.

    I may have been a bit flippant on the Majors growing popularity before, but really can't see any great performance to come.
    What's this chaps gameplan, is he simply an super-liberal two-fingers up to Trump?

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    Am still puzzled by the fact that Yang hasn't won this, 2yrs early.
    His USP needs re-reading a few times it's that surreal.

    $1,000 free bucks for every adult in the country, every month for 4yrs at least.
    That's: $1,000 free bucks for every adult in the country, every month. Free.

    There's a brand new uk lottery game called 'set for life' which offers £10,000 everymonth if you win.
    When it started, the traffic crashed their servers, and must have close to 1/2million players on each draw, it's not free to play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    I'm kinda conflicted over the Biden groping thing. I dont think its a creepy sexual thing but more of a power dominance thing. Lots of politicians do things like shoulder touching, back slapping, bear hugs, dominant handshakes etc Now sniffing a womans hair might be a step too far but if this ends Bidens presidential run should we hold all politicians who put their hands on people publicly? I dunno its not black and white to me


  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Schnitzler Hiyori Geta


    peddlelies wrote: »
    This is an interesting article after a second Woman has accused Biden of inappropriately touching her. The first Woman is a Beto surrogate afaik, or at the very least attended some of his rallies.

    https://twitter.com/axios/status/1113055499719774208

    The article says Bernie not Beto.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    The article says Bernie not Beto.

    Yup I know. I was trying to make the point she probably wasn't a Bernie surrogate. Another two Women have come forward and complained about Biden's behaviour to the NYT's.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html

    "The list of women coming forward is growing. Caitlyn Caruso, a former college student and sexual assault survivor, said Mr. Biden rested his hand on her thigh — even as she squirmed in her seat to show her discomfort — and hugged her “just a little bit too long” at an event on sexual assault at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. She was 19."

    "D. J. Hill, 59, a writer who recalled meeting Mr. Biden in 2012 at a fund-raising event in Minneapolis, said that when she and her husband, Robert, stepped up to take their photograph with the vice president, he put his hand on her shoulder and then started dropping it down her back, which made her “very uncomfortable.”

    Her husband, seeing the movement, put his hand on Mr. Biden’s shoulder and interrupted with a joke."

    Trump is already playing off it, bad news for the Dem's since the treatment of Women should be a focal point of attack against Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Schnitzler Hiyori Geta


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Yup I know. I was trying to make the point she probably wasn't a Bernie surrogate.
    Yeah, but what makes you say that? The article doesn't seem to make that suggestion at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Yeah, but what makes you say that? The article doesn't seem to make that suggestion at all.

    She was at some Beto rally a week ago or so although she supported Sanders in 2016. I'm just speculating on the possible motives for making it public and who she aligns with.

    https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/joe-biden-issues-statement-in-response-to-lucy-flores.html

    "Flores later dismissed that characterization in comments to the Atlantic and responded to some implied criticism of her attending a Beto O’Rourke rally on Saturday...

    ...I have also stated many times on the record that I am not supporting any candidate right now and I am listening and evaluating all the candidates just like everyone else. I’m allowed to go to a candidate rally.”


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,010 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Apparently, Sanders is going to take part in a Town Hall hosted by... Fox News. That could be verrrrry entertaining, and has me wondering if their (inevitable?) attempts at badgering over Green Deals might backfire. Sanders is feisty and more than capable at dealing with zingers


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Apparently, Sanders is going to take part in a Town Hall hosted by... Fox News. That could be verrrrry entertaining, and has me wondering if their (inevitable?) attempts at badgering over Green Deals might backfire. Sanders is feisty and more than capable at dealing with zingers

    That is a mistake.

    I was beginning to feel some hope that the DNC was going to finally stop being pussies with the Murdoch press and treat them with the dismissal, contempt and open hostility they deserve.

    If Labour MPs had gone to war with the tabloids, and learned the obvious lessons that even football clubs have learned, then I don't think the UK would be where it is now.

    Fox is illegitimate. It would have far less power if craven politicians boycotted it entirely.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,010 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Gbear wrote: »
    That is a mistake.

    I was beginning to feel some hope that the DNC was going to finally stop being pussies with the Murdoch press and treat them with the dismissal, contempt and open hostility they deserve.

    If Labour MPs had gone to war with the tabloids, and learned the obvious lessons that even football clubs have learned, then I don't think the UK would be where it is now.

    Fox is illegitimate. It would have far less power if craven politicians boycotted it entirely.

    I could read it both ways: Fox News has thrown itself far down the rabbit hole with commentators such as Pirro or Carlson, and Democrats would be forgiven for walking away and ignoring them. On the other hand, I can see what Sanders (might) think: that he has effectively been given a platform to extoll the virtues of more socialist policies & believes has the confidence to sell it.

    Fox's demonisation will only go so far - and I can see Sanders getting exasperated as the presenters try to railroad him - but from what I've seen of polls, support for things like Obamacare / Single Payer et al are way higher than the GOP / Fox would have you believe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,012 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    pixelburp wrote:
    Fox's demonisation will only go so far - and I can see Sanders getting exasperated as the presenters try to railroad him - but from what I've seen of polls, support for things like Obamacare / Single Payer et al are way higher than the GOP / Fox would have you believe.


    It will be interesting to see how sanders gets on this time, there is growing weight behind things such as the green deal, with people such as aoc also pushing it, but never underestimate the republicans, and particularly trump, I still think there's a good chance he ll get a second term, interesting few months ahead.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Given that their entire political system is a giant not fit for purpose heap of crap, that has proven to not serve the will and livelihoods of the people it is employed to serve ...…. I would say you would have to envisage someone like Oprah Winfrey taking over. She would definitely be able to pick up some votes over time. Just saying like.

    Given that she is extremely popular, talks a lot of ****e, has no political experience … she will probably fit right in....

    Just saying like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,012 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    IAMAMORON wrote:
    Given that their entire political system is a giant not fit for purpose heap of crap, that has proven to not serve the will and livelihoods of the people it is employed to serve ...…. I would say you would have to envisage someone like Oprah Winfrey taking over. She would definitely be able to pick up some votes over time. Just saying like.


    An understandable comment, their system is extremely messy, but I suspect, or hope, it's on the turn


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Yang, Mayor Pete, Tulsi have all gone on Fox recently and done fine. Sanders knows he and Trump shares supporters so its a chance to woo them and maybe some of the massive audience fox has. Its a sensible move indeed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Sanders is doing awful in attempts to attract older folks. Only 12% of his supporters are 65 or over, where as Trump and Biden have massive support in that age group.

    Going on Fox whose viewers are mostly 50+ is probably not a bad idea in that sense to try and appeal to some of that demo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I give it a minute before the host mentions Venezuela.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,343 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    All he would have to do is say it's a totalitarian petrostate run by a crazed dictator and he advocates a social democracy like every other developed nation on Earth.

    The most popular American president in history was a social Democrat but that's been forgotten because the voices of progressiveness were wiped out in the 1960s and Democrats became strong conservatives in the 1990s.

    A slide like this would suffice

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Yup I know. I was trying to make the point she probably wasn't a Bernie surrogate.
    Yeah, but what makes you say that? The article doesn't seem to make that suggestion at all.
    Intentional misinformation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Mod: Don't dump tweets here please.


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