John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

ASOT · 01-04-2019 09:17PM

Bunch of Delaney sympathizers

mugsymugsy · 01-04-2019 09:47PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Completely agree it should be fixed term with fixed salary with an election of some kind.

We agree on something

Delaney should take his millions he has 'earned' and slope off into the sunset.

Whether a new board would do much is another story but in my opinion it can't do any worse than the current crop.

Have fixed terms and ensure packages for board appointments are transparent the least the fai can do.

kippy · 01-04-2019 09:55PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

I’ve resorted to this because the parody on this thread started at post 1 when Delaney was accused of “being root and cause of a large percentage of what is wrong with Irish football.”

Anyone with any knowledge of football in this country knew that the sestemic problems with football in this country began before Delaney was born. The GAA and the willingness of Irish people to travel overseas to watch live football is what make us a third world football nation. Our local game pleads poverty while our people fill the coffers of Celtic, Man Utd and Liverpool etc.

People are free to spend money wherever they like but let’s not pretend John Delaney can hold a candle to the damage that it causes to the local game.

"Systematic" - do you even know what the word means?
"Done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical."
From:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic

Now, I (and many others) don't think that Delaney is the "root and cause" of problems with Irish football - just that:
1. The lad has been at the helm far too long. This isn't a good thing in almost any walk of life.
2. The lad gets paid far too much money.
3. There is absolutely no transparency in how the money is divvied out at the top tables (Paying a guys rent who is grossing over 350K plus a year)
4. Currently we have a "Story" that during a period when the FAI had 4-5 million profit they suffered a "Cash flow" problem and took a loan from the CEO. None of that makes any sense whatsoever, and wait for it, the people involved tried extremely hard to hide the story.
5. We now hear that there's a new role in the FAI, that Delaney has got. Very convenient.

Don't get me wrong, GAA and Supporting of English clubs are two problems Soccer faces in this country, but the whole point of paying people in an organisation to promote soccer is to do just that - promote soccer.

If the challenges of GAA and supporting English clubs is insurmountable (as you appear to suggest) then why pay anyone anything to promote soccer in the first instance? Keep it at volunteer level.

Chancer3001 · 01-04-2019 10:23PM

Have we reached peak troll or peak idiot?

He didnt use the word youre claiming he used...

Unless im blind

kippy · 01-04-2019 10:59PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Have we reached peak troll or peak idiot?

He didnt use the word youre claiming he used...

Unless im blind

Sestemic isn't a word. I made a best guess at the word he intended to use.
Maybe I was wrong.
I dont really care, it doesn't change the points I've made, nor the irrelevance of the point made by him/her.

The absolute irony of you referring to me as a "troll or idiot".

Arghus · 02-04-2019 12:39AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

People are massively, massively overestimating this upcoming Oireachtas Committee. The way they are carried out is not conducive to getting to the bottom of issues. You'll have several questions in quick succession and time restrictions in place. So it will be very easy for the FAI goons to skirt around questions by simply not acknowledging whichever ones they don't want to answer

I remember listening to excerpts from the last one, or at least one John Delaney attended a couple of years ago. It was peak level cringe stuff. A handful of gombeen politicians of the highest order not even attempting to put even a soft question of any sort to John Delaney: it was truly embarrassing, they lined up to kiss his arse and he spent his time in there telling them how much of a swell fella he was. Even at that stage there was a few reasonable and in no way malicious questions that could be asked about the governance of the organisation, but those clowns were the biggest bunch of fawning fools imaginable.The level of boot-licking was incredible.

Maybe he'll get a slightly rougher treatment next time, but based on past evidence I wouldn't have much hope, if any at all, that the great brains at Leinster house will get to the bottom of things.

expectationlost · 02-04-2019 01:22AM

The Football Association will be appearing before the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport and recognises and shares the desire for the matters to be addressed as soon as possible, with due regard to the different ongoing processes."

https://t.co/e89IWzqIYp hmmm, a its being reviewed shield

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 07:39AM

kippy wrote: »

Sestemic isn't a word. I made a best guess at the word he intended to use.
Maybe I was wrong.
I dont really care, it doesn't change the points I've made, nor the irrelevance of the point made by him/her.

The absolute irony of you referring to me as a "troll or idiot".

Sestemic is a word.

Jesus. H. Christ.

The Talking Bread · 02-04-2019 07:57AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Sestemic is a word.

Jesus. H. Christ.

Is it? This is me querying you, not refuting you?

givyjoe · 02-04-2019 07:59AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Sestemic is a word.

Jesus. H. Christ.

Oh dear..... What dictionary have you been reading?

The_Kew_Tour · 02-04-2019 08:00AM

I think it's clear to see this posters actions now

02-04-2019 08:07AM

On the word thing, presume he meant systemic, which is not the same as systematic.

Now can people move on from it?

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 08:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On the word thing, presume he meant systemic, which is not the same as systematic.

Now can people move on from it?

Exactly. Its an american spelling is systemic. Often used in medical terms to describe diseases.

Anyways.

This is beyond off topic.

With the weekend having come and gone and nothing revealed mobday morning, looks like tjis storm is in danger of petering out for delaney.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 08:36AM

Eamon dunphy had a nice poece supporting delaney too

"I think you have to look at the whole picture", Dunphy begins. "The grassroots soccer people in this country have come out in support of Delaney. It's extraordinary and very telling. In 13 years he turned up at over 2,000 events

he also brought a lot of money into the game. He managed to persuade Denis O'Brien to pony up the money to pay for the best coaches. They were paid massive salaries but at the time, they were the best money could buy. He was able to get the patronage of wealthy individuals like O'Brien and I approved of that. He went around the country and organised all-weather pitches in places like Kerry where that stuff was never there before. I went to my old soccer club in Drumcondra and saw him open a new pitch with dressing rooms. I thought it was amazing stuff."

What about the League of Ireland, which Delaney once characterised as "a difficult child" and which continued to founder under his authority? "The problem with the League of Ireland is that nobody can f**king fix it, including John Delaney, and including Niall Quinn. [Quinn] wants to give each of the clubs €2m - that money will disappear like smoke, you might as well burn it. The League of Ireland has been the way it is forever, it has always been a bad joke, delinquent. It's always been on the brink of collapse. The clubs are all autonomous."

The Talking Bread · 02-04-2019 10:13AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Exactly. Its an american spelling is systemic. Often used in medical terms to describe diseases.

Anyways.

This is beyond off topic.

With the weekend having come and gone and nothing revealed mobday morning, looks like tjis storm is in danger of petering out for delaney.

You are talking utter nonsense! There is no americanised version of that spelling. Like everything on here this off topic example epitomises the common theme ct that you and other Delaney apologists can't be humble enough to accept a mistake.

Dots1982 · 02-04-2019 10:56AM

I’ll admit It’s not a perfectly cromulent word but I felt it embiggened the soul of this debate.

Necro · 02-04-2019 12:17PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Exactly. Its an american spelling is systemic. Often used in medical terms to describe diseases.

Anyways.

This is beyond off topic.

With the weekend having come and gone and nothing revealed mobday morning, looks like tjis storm is in danger of petering out for delaney.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Eamon dunphy had a nice poece supporting delaney too

"I think you have to look at the whole picture", Dunphy begins. "The grassroots soccer people in this country have come out in support of Delaney. It's extraordinary and very telling. In 13 years he turned up at over 2,000 events

he also brought a lot of money into the game. He managed to persuade Denis O'Brien to pony up the money to pay for the best coaches. They were paid massive salaries but at the time, they were the best money could buy. He was able to get the patronage of wealthy individuals like O'Brien and I approved of that. He went around the country and organised all-weather pitches in places like Kerry where that stuff was never there before. I went to my old soccer club in Drumcondra and saw him open a new pitch with dressing rooms. I thought it was amazing stuff."

What about the League of Ireland, which Delaney once characterised as "a difficult child" and which continued to founder under his authority? "The problem with the League of Ireland is that nobody can f**king fix it, including John Delaney, and including Niall Quinn. [Quinn] wants to give each of the clubs €2m - that money will disappear like smoke, you might as well burn it. The League of Ireland has been the way it is forever, it has always been a bad joke, delinquent. It's always been on the brink of collapse. The clubs are all autonomous."

Never has a gif been so fitting for these last two posts:

Cienciano · 02-04-2019 12:22PM

Weird that Dunphy has become such a supporter of Delaney. He ripped into Richie Sadlier because he wouldn't condemn the fans for the tennis ball protest. Does Giles have some FAI job? Is Dunphy angling for one? Is it because of the Keane saipan thing? One thing for certain, it's not for football reasons.

D14Rugby · 02-04-2019 12:54PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Weird that Dunphy has become such a supporter of Delaney. He ripped into Richie Sadlier because he wouldn't condemn the fans for the tennis ball protest. Does Giles have some FAI job? Is Dunphy angling for one? Is it because of the Keane saipan thing? One thing for certain, it's not for football reasons.

You're talking about a man who defended Louis Kilcoyne here so he has a history of defending people who just see football as a way to make money for themselves, in any way possible.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 02-04-2019 01:44PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Weird that Dunphy has become such a supporter of Delaney. He ripped into Richie Sadlier because he wouldn't condemn the fans for the tennis ball protest. Does Giles have some FAI job? Is Dunphy angling for one? Is it because of the Keane saipan thing? One thing for certain, it's not for football reasons.

Giles has been consulted on most of the recent Ireland manger job openings by Delaney. JD is also involved with Giles charity so they must get on fairly well

kippy · 02-04-2019 01:48PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Giles has been consulted on most of the recent Ireland manger job openings by Delaney. JD is also involved with Giles charity so they must get on fairly well

Giles has plenty skin in the game when it comes to Delaney alright.
He'd probably defend him to the hilt, without actually knowing what he is defending.

The_Kew_Tour · 02-04-2019 02:27PM

When it's people like Dunphy and Stephen Hunt defending Delaney it only shows up Delaney more as they have some nutty opinions

D14Rugby · 02-04-2019 03:18PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fai-has-not-explained-100-000-loan-from-john-delaney-committee-to-hear-1.3846862

FAI can probably wave goodbye to a good chunk of funding now

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 03:24PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/fai-has-not-explained-100-000-loan-from-john-delaney-committee-to-hear-1.3846862

FAI can probably wave goodbye to a good chunk of funding now

From your own link....

Sport Ireland will also tell the committee that it is satisfied that “effective control mechanisms and frameworks are in place with regard to our investment in the FAI”. “Sport Ireland is satisfied that our funding invested in the FAI is fully accounted for and expended on the purpose for which it is intended”.

The organisation’s grants to the FAI have been audited three times, which it says provided it with “the highest level of assurance that all funding is fully accounted for and expended for the purposes in which it was intended and that the Terms and Conditions of funding are being complied with”.

Basically says the opposite to what you're suggesting. Sport ireland are more than pleased that any given grants have been properly mamaged

D14Rugby · 02-04-2019 04:01PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

From your own link....

Sport Ireland will also tell the committee that it is satisfied that “effective control mechanisms and frameworks are in place with regard to our investment in the FAI”. “Sport Ireland is satisfied that our funding invested in the FAI is fully accounted for and expended on the purpose for which it is intended”.

The organisation’s grants to the FAI have been audited three times, which it says provided it with “the highest level of assurance that all funding is fully accounted for and expended for the purposes in which it was intended and that the Terms and Conditions of funding are being complied with”.

Basically says the opposite to what you're suggesting. Sport ireland are more than pleased that any given grants have been properly mamaged

Yeah fair enough, I got to here and thought surely they can't continue to fund them after saying this

"Sport Ireland also sought re-confirmation that all State funding provided to the FAI has been spent for the purposes intended and in accordance with approved submissions.

No reply to the second letter has been received from the FAI."

Nesta99 · 02-04-2019 04:11PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

Yeah fair enough, I got toy here and thought surely they can't continue to fund them after saying this

"Sport Ireland also sought re-confirmation that all State funding provided to the FAI has been spent for the purposes intended and in accordance with approved submissions.

No reply to the second letter has been received from the FAI."

I took from that that SI are happy that as far as they are concerned they are happy with their auditing of grants allocated. But they are basing that on info supplied by the FAI. If they were totally sure why seek re-confirmation. Covering their own back a bit there imo. If there was something suss then it was up to them to cop it. You have to assume the integrity of the audited figures submitted to SI though In my own experience auditors can turn a blind eye, or help fill holes in figures to get accounts passed. It feels to me that SI are turning the screw especially on governance/change of governance.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 04:32PM

Sporting ireland have checked, double checked and triple checked the money theybe granted to the FAI.

Im assuming they are checking that this 100k doesnt affect them in any way.

A lot of covering ones own ass going on.

TheCitizen · 02-04-2019 04:37PM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Sporting ireland have checked, double checked and triple checked the money theybe granted to the FAI.

Im assuming they are checking that this 100k doesnt affect them in any way.

A lot of covering ones own ass going on.

Well it does affect them. Any public money that goes into the FAI is affected by what the FAI do with it.

Chancer3001 · 02-04-2019 04:38PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Well it does affect them. Any public money that goes into the FAI is affected by what the FAI do with it.

What?

D14Rugby · 02-04-2019 04:44PM

The fact the FAI paid Delaney back the day after the Sport Ireland grant came through just absolutely screams that the money wasn't used as it should have been. The same amount of maney may have been but the actual money was clearly misused which is probably what sport Ireland want clarification about.

John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

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