Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2019

~Rebel~ · 28-03-2019 03:39PM

Charlie19 wrote: »

Xabi Alonso has won the Spanish U13 League with Real Madrid.

1st Managerial title for the former Red:D

He's one of those players that always stood out as being a great potential manager. Have always had a feeling Joe Allen might be one of them too, if he has the interest. Kuyt as well. All just very well balanced intelligent individuals.

Charlie19 · 28-03-2019 03:43PM

Before Carra retired I had always thought he would certainly go into management, never expected him to be a success at punditry.

TitianGerm · 28-03-2019 03:55PM

Cartman78 wrote: »

Yep...that'd be my estimate too.

He's done fairly well so far to be fair by:

a) not being Jose Mourinho and

b) milking the living daylights out of Class of 92/Fergie nostalgia.

That'll get him so far but essentially it's been an elongated new manager bounce, I think he'll struggle over the course of a season.

Would have been far more concerned if they'd hired Pochettino or anyone else with top level experience.

Having said all that, if he can motivate them to take points off City I'll be happy as a pig in sh1t

Since he's come in he's cut the gap between ourselves and United by 2 points (if they win their game in hand). Now bear in mind that we "bottled" the league in that period and they went on serious winning streak.

I think it's a smart enough signing for the board and I don't think he'll want as much money to spend as a big name manager.

Nerdlingr · 28-03-2019 03:57PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I'm just pointing out that unlike what you were saying, where you expressed that as the laws are written he could not have been found offside, I believe firmly that he could have, totally within the current rules as they exist.

I'd argue that "making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball." is their catch all get-out. Where your interpretation of that was "action as in moving towards the ball, getting in front of the player", both of those were covered by previous caveats to the law, so clearly that last one is more open ended than that or it would not have needed to be written.

I think based on that last law's wording, the ref is entitled to interpret any action he likes as being an action that impacts the defender, as long as he can justify it.

So what 'action' does Kane do that makes him offside then.

He's allowed stand behind the row of defenders so long as he doesn't interfer with them playing the ball. He puts the seed of doubt in Lovren's mind "thats there's someone behind me here." That's not a foul.

citytillidie · 28-03-2019 03:57PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Since he's come in he's cut the gap between ourselves and United by 2 points (if they win their game in hand). Now bear in mind that we "bottled" the league in that period and they went on serious winning streak.

I think it's a smart enough signing for the board and I don't think he'll want as much money to spend as a big name manager.

We want them to win that game in hand :cool:

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2019 04:01PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Since he's come in he's cut the gap between ourselves and United by 2 points (if they win their game in hand). Now bear in mind that we "bottled" the league in that period and they went on serious winning streak.

I think it's a smart enough signing for the board and I don't think he'll want as much money to spend as a big name manager.

This is true but he has had some luck,

Spurs, Burnley they should have lost and Southampton they did not deserve to win ,

I don't think we had any lucky results go in our favour in that period , I think we deserved to beat Leicester and Everton ,
In the draws at United and Westham the games where evenly balanced,

~Rebel~ · 28-03-2019 04:19PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

So what 'action' does Kane do that makes him offside then.

He's allowed stand behind the row of defenders so long as he doesn't interfer with them playing the ball. He puts the seed of doubt in Lovren's mind "thats there's someone behind me here." That's not a foul.

No it’s not a foul. But IMO it IS offside. He’s hanging there just over the shoulder with the express intent to put pressure on Lovren. He’s not walking back inside, back to goal as players do to show their inactivity - he actually gestures where he wants the ball played, and is already on his toes moving when the ball comes through. IMO if one of the best cf’s in the world is standing over your shoulder, calling for the ball, that’s an active impact on the defenders decision making.

But anyway, I’m just some fella. As I said, refs after the game had the same opinion. Here’s what Clattenberg said; “The question is whether Dejan Lovren deliberately played the ball and has Kane, by being in an offside position, impacted Lovren. You can make an argument that Lovren would not have made this type of attempt for the ball if Kane was not close to him and, therefore, the impact of his presence plays a part in the decision-making of the referee.”
https://punditarena.com/football/jmurphy/mark-clattenburg-explains-spurs-penalties-shouldnt-awarded/

jasonb · 28-03-2019 05:51PM

Well here's one unexpected knock-on from OGS getting the job full-time at United, VVD has to move house!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/van-dijk-set-for-house-search-after-landlord-solskjaer-gets-man-united-job-37961097.html

garra · 28-03-2019 06:47PM

jasonb wrote: »

Well here's one unexpected knock-on from OGS getting the job full-time at United, VVD has to move house!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/van-dijk-set-for-house-search-after-landlord-solskjaer-gets-man-united-job-37961097.html

He should take the light-bulbs and leave a framed painting of the Rodgers

Fromvert · 28-03-2019 06:50PM

garra wrote: »

He should take the light-bulbs and leave a framed painting of the Rodgers

If we win the league, a lovely framed photo of Virgil with it :pac:

givyjoe · 28-03-2019 07:06PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

there's a reason we joke about Djimi Traore having a CL winners medal. The lad was awful not even taking into account his hilarious own goal. In the CL final the first thing he did was give way a stupid free kick that led to Milan's opener.

Didn't he boot it out for throw, under no pressure with his first touch?

Him and Insua up there as two of our worst ever full backs.

dogbert27 · 28-03-2019 08:58PM

garra wrote: »

He should take the light-bulbs and leave a framed painting of the Rodgers

He should, with lime, burn the Liverpool crest and YNWA in to OGS's garden! :pac:

jpboard1 · 28-03-2019 10:02PM

Liam O wrote: »

The manager is irrelevant at United. Pep or Klopp could have come in at the same time as José and would have fallen foul to the same issues. I think success with Ole is possible and I wouldn't be counting my chickens from across the fence if I was you lads. Sure weren't the usual clowns on here saying they hoped José stayed? Well now you have the anti José in terms of demeanor and there is a good feeling around the club again.

I could see Ole becoming a bit more ruthless now with a bit of security and fan tide behind him in terms of the sub standard performances from players. There is a team there capable of overpowering the smaller teams in the league. Lacking top quality but that can possibly be rectified (big) if the right signings are made. I'd be one of the more pessimistic voices too

The right signings this summer are going to be very, very expensive...Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea, United all need to overhaul their squads. And city will do their usual spend. Wouldn't like to be desperate for quality signings in the next window.

charolais0153 · 28-03-2019 10:28PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

They need to back him now with a few hundred million in the transfer market.

It's amazing how a few seasons in the Norwegian League can bring you from relegating Cardiff to managing Man Utd.

A few years in the wilderness will do wonders for their financial model and hopefully clear an easier path for Liverpool to consistently challenge for the PL and qualify for the CL.

Who did bill shankly,sir alex feguson,pep guardiola,kenny daglish manage before their respective clubs? 4 of the best of all time.

Charlie19 · 28-03-2019 10:40PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Who did bill shankly,sir alex feguson,pep guardiola,kenny daglish manage before their respective clubs? 4 of the best of all time.

A very successful Aberdeen team, during a time when Scottish football was very strong.

jpboard1 · 28-03-2019 10:41PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Who did bill shankly,sir alex feguson,pep guardiola,kenny daglish manage before their respective clubs? 4 of the best of all time.

I really don't think they are very good comparisons...

retalivity · 28-03-2019 11:01PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Didn't he boot it out for throw, under no pressure with his first touch?

Him and Insua up there as two of our worst ever full backs.

Im friends with djimi on facebook, at least i think its the real him, he does not be in it much anymore. Wished him happy birthday most years and he normally liked it or responded in french

charolais0153 · 28-03-2019 11:27PM

jpboard1 wrote: »

I really don't think they are very good comparisons...

Maybe not but i think it illustrates how managers like hodsgon might perform well at lower table sides and managers like solskjaer might perform better at more attacking sides.

There ia no basis to judge solskjaers appointment at utd other than the last 4 months in which he has performed well past expectations so far.

jpboard1 · 28-03-2019 11:36PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Maybe not but i think it illustrates how managers like hodsgon might perform well at lower table sides and managers like solskjaer might perform better at more attacking sides.

There ia no basis to judge solskjaers appointment at utd other than the last 4 months in which he has performed well past expectations so far.

Those comparisons don’t illustrate anything. Pep was at two of the biggest clubs in the world before he was at city. Shankly was at a team of similar standing before he signed for pool. Fervor has already been discussed. Dalglish was player manager and the biggest player ever at the club. OGS was none of those things.
To be honest, comparing OGS to 3 of those(leaving dalglish out), is a bit of a joke.

Turtyturd · 29-03-2019 01:23AM

I think there’s an effort from some corners to show how ‘right on’ they are by supporting the Solksjaer appointment.

If Gerrard did ok in Scotland, came back to England and got a team relegated, got the Liverpool job temporarily following the sacking of a Hodgsonesque manager and put together a few decent results and some wins against teams we should be beating to be given the job full time opposition fans would rightly revel in it.

And I think even though Liverpool fans would try to put a positive spin on it they’d be disappointed at the appointment.

Muahahaha · 29-03-2019 01:55AM

I think people are happy that Ole got the job because he is as yet an unknown quantity. For sure he could be successful but equally he might go on a run next season of several losses and buckle under the pressure and be out the door by Christmas. Thats the unknown part of him, if he goes on a bad run can he turn it around? No one knows the answer to that yet. We also don't know what he is like in the transfer market and if he can attract top names to OT. I'd much prefer OJS in the job than someone like Zidane who has three Champions Leagues under his managerial belt and can attract world class players in the transfer market. If Zidane had of wanted the OT job and was there now then I'd be fearful of what he could achieve.

Charlie19 · 29-03-2019 01:59AM

In fairness to OGS he's after coming in after two very successful mangers IE Van Gal and Mourinho to compare those two to Hodgson is very unfair imo. OGS now has a win ratio of nearly 70%.

Thats **** hot even if its only after 15 games or so considering some of the opposition they have played in that time frame.

If I was a Utd fan:eek: I'd be happy with OGS as the new manager.

charolais0153 · 29-03-2019 03:19AM

jpboard1 wrote: »

Those comparisons don’t illustrate anything. Pep was at two of the biggest clubs in the world before he was at city. Shankly was at a team of similar standing before he signed for pool. Fervor has already been discussed. Dalglish was player manager and the biggest player ever at the club. OGS was none of those things.
To be honest, comparing OGS to 3 of those(leaving dalglish out), is a bit of a joke.

Aye aye aye. Shankly wasnt a huge name and wasnt successful before he joines liverpool.

Pep managed barca b before he was successful with barcelona. How would pep do with the likes of huddersfield/cardiff.

Daglish had ZERO experience as a manager yet was very successful.

Solskjaer has the team performing beyond expectations better than man city AND liverpool since he took over.

charolais0153 · 29-03-2019 03:23AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think people are happy that Ole got the job because he is as yet an unknown quantity. For sure he could be successful but equally he might go on a run next season of several losses and buckle under the pressure and be out the door by Christmas. Thats the unknown part of him, if he goes on a bad run can he turn it around? No one knows the answer to that yet. We also don't know what he is like in the transfer market and if he can attract top names to OT. I'd much prefer OJS in the job than someone like Zidane who has three Champions Leagues under his managerial belt and can attract world class players in the transfer market. If Zidane had of wanted the OT job and was there now then I'd be fearful of what he could achieve.

Who is a guaranteed better manager than ogs at this moment pf time. How could a manager with such a phenonemal record be sacked l,its almost title winning form from a side thats bow"six years away from winning the league"

magentis · 29-03-2019 03:35AM

***Almost***

charolais0153 · 29-03-2019 03:35AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

I think there’s an effort from some corners to show how ‘right on’ they are by supporting the Solksjaer appointment.

If Gerrard did ok in Scotland, came back to England and got a team relegated, got the Liverpool job temporarily following the sacking of a Hodgsonesque manager and put together a few decent results and some wins against teams we should be beating to be given the job full time opposition fans would rightly revel in it.

And I think even though Liverpool fans would try to put a positive spin on it they’d be disappointed at the appointment.

Right on ????

Teams we should be beating like everton,leicester,west ham, and lowly 'ogs utd'???
If it was so easy to just show up and beat these teams because we are better than them wed have won the league already,years ago.

29-03-2019 07:56AM

He's Utds Brendan Rodgers. Maybe less attacking.

Nerdlingr · 29-03-2019 10:04AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Who did bill shankly,sir alex feguson,pep guardiola,kenny daglish manage before their respective clubs? 4 of the best of all time.

Ferguson won a cup winner's cup and europen super cup, on top of domestic leagues and cups with Aberdeen. He even manged Scotland at a World Cup !!! You'd swear the fella was plucked from obscurity before the united job.

Agent Coulson · 29-03-2019 10:25AM

Alex had no success before joining Man U that might the funniest thing I have seen on here in years.

doc_17 · 29-03-2019 10:34AM

Huge game on Sunday. Thankfully it's not at their new place, which looks amazing.

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