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Micky Jackson in trouble again

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  • #1982
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Metacritic, which covers a broad range of publications - both liberal and conservative - has it calculated at a weighted score of 85/100.

    As someone who thought the documentary to be very good, that’s no surprise to me.

    The user score is much lower. Quelle surprise.

    MJ fans are brigading everywhere and trying to bring the ratings for it down. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jackson's have hired a social media team to do it also. Pathetic.


  • #1983
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,652 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    sligeach wrote: »
    Damn straight.
    https://twitter.com/FactualMj/status/1104366495449206784

    When the "truth" is divided, lies multiply.


    Is that it? I thought it was going to show some interview or statement saying how sad she was that he died or something.


    Anyway that's bull**** because he says in the documentary and in the court documents that he told his mother that Jackson wasn't a good person or something to that effect in 2005. She understood that he was saying that sexual stuff happened but respected his wishes to not divulge anything other than that. Seems consistent to me


  • #1984
    Boggles
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    You seem obsessed with discrediting Robson but don't have much to say about Safechuck whose relationship with MJ was clearly much more intense than robsons. There is no denying how involved he was with Jackson, it's was documented for years, or that he was damaged by being "dumped", even if you take away the sexual abuse allegations

    I've addressed Safechuck here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109632010&postcount=1928


  • #1985
    hetuzozaho
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is that it? I thought it was going to show some interview or statement saying how sad she was that he died or something.

    That Tweet and some of the others there, people really love their celebrities! The need for people to defend someone, when they've no idea what happened.


  • #1986
    brooke 2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    A grown man sharing his bed with 13 year old boys is not simply "odd"

    It is not the actions of some harmless eccentric. We will never know if abuse took place, but it is wrong to dismiss his behaviour as "odd"

    Is it not true that he shared his bed with individual boys at a time? All very good looking.....one vulnerable boy cruelly 'cast aside' when he moved on to the next cute looking boy. The haunted look on Jimmy's face now stands in stark contrast to his glowing appearance in those early videos of himself and MJ together.


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  • #1987
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Well I was more talking in general terms about all the boys who were his close friends for a period of time. It has never been denied that he treated them in the way described.



    You seem obsessed with discrediting Robson but don't have much to say about Safechuck whose relationship with MJ was clearly much more intense than robsons. There is no denying how involved he was with Jackson, it's was documented for years, or that he was damaged by being "dumped", even if you take away the sexual abuse allegations

    I’ve noticed that with a lot of MJ defenders here. They say that both men aren’t credible but then don’t seem to have much to say about Safechuck.

    I don’t think that Safechuck’s relationship with MJ seemed much more intense from his descriptions but he was the more affecting interviewee of the two, to me at least.

    That the two accounts were similar but not completely identical is also convincing to me. If they were identical, I’d be more suspicious.


  • #1988
    Boggles
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Anyway that's bull**** because he says in the documentary and in the court documents that he told his mother that Jackson wasn't a good person or something to that effect in 2005. She understood that he was saying that sexual stuff happened but respected his wishes to not divulge anything other than that. Seems consistent to me

    You mean when he was explaining to her why he wouldn't testify in the trial, all though no one asked him to and he wasn't admissible as a witness anyway? :)

    All Seems legit.


  • #1989
    Boggles
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I’ve noticed that with a lot of MJ defenders here. They say that both men aren’t credible but then don’t seem to have much to say about Safechuck.

    Ah, I replied directly to you, but for some reason you have chosen to ignore it and continue to claim no one has anything to say about Safechuck. :confused:

    Here it is again.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109632010&postcount=1928


  • #1990
    sligeach
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    https://twitter.com/CaseyRain/status/1104219420551991296


  • #1991
    brooke 2
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    mbur wrote: »
    Sam Smith was on the Day Darcy show this afternoon with the tale that he and Eamon Dunphy were in the Dublin Hotel where the "Bad" tour crew were staying. They wrote a "if you are here against your will, we can rescue you" note to Michael's 10 year old "companion" and had a staff member slip it under the appropriate door.. Nothing happened.

    Very strange indeed for a ten year old to be on a tour like this. They obviously thought so. But the fact remains their suspicions are no proof that anything dubious was happening.

    Did I read elsewhere that there was a 'Do not disturb' sign on the door and the windows were blacked out? If so, I'm not surprised they were concerned.

    I'm also not surprised nothing happened as I'm sure the note never reached the child. And even if it did, wasn't the boy so enamoured with MJ that he would not have wanted to have been 'rescued'?


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  • #1992
    Necro
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    Boggles wrote:
    Ah, I replied directly to you, but for some reason you have chosen to ignore it and continue to claim no one has anything to say about Safechuck.

    Ah come on now. I've seen on several occasions you cherrypicking the parts of other posters quotes you like and disregarding the rest.

    There are some basic issues you refuse to answer in general throughout this thread and that primarily is the major issue most have with your defence of Jackson.

    Not the sleeping with kids before you turn it back on me. But the blatant and fragrant disregard for their welfare in his actions emotionally.

    Why don't you get involved in that discussion?

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  • #1993
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Boggles wrote: »
    I've addressed Safechuck here

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109632010&postcount=1928

    Oh, I saw that post. It wouldn’t surprise me if Safechuck can’t remember the exact details of events he went to when he was around ten or eleven. Think about what you remember from that age. Places you went to, things you did. I’d be amazed if he could fully recall all the details, to be honest. (And why would he be on Wikipedia correcting them) Whereas sustained abuse would be more memorable if it happened often.

    It’s also no surprise that he might have felt emboldened to speak out when he saw someone doing so. That’s kind of how these things work.


  • #1994
    JJJJNR
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    Where are all the jackson victims, 2 people looking for fame, out of the millions of people he met over his life.

    Shepple


  • #1995
    hetuzozaho
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    sligeach wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/CaseyRain/status/1104219420551991296

    I had to google Mark Lester there. More odd reading :) this gets stranger and stranger.


  • #1996
    Necro
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    JJJJNR wrote:
    Where are all the jackson victims, 2 people looking for fame, out of the millions of people he met over his life.

    Errrr.... It's actually 4 people. That we know of.

    You seem to conveniently forget both the criminal trial (that tbf he was found not guilty in), and the settlement.

    There ain't no smoke without fire, particularly given its four seperate individuals... in my own humble opinion

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  • #1997
    brooke 2
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    But yet he didn't share a bed with any of those friends did he? He didn't even share a bed with his own wife. Like ever . He only shared a bed with children, and only male children of a certain age. Hmm

    And good looking slim ones. Never fat ones.


  • #1998
    JJJJNR
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    Necro wrote: »
    Errrr.... It's actually 4 people. That we know of.

    You seem to conveniently forget both the criminal trial (that tbf he was found not guilty in), and the settlement.

    There ain't no smoke without fire, particularly given its four seperate individuals... in my own humble opinion

    He was found not guilty exactly thanks herd Mentality in full effect. Things were weird around him but he wasn't a Jonathon King or a Jimmy Saville and has been dead 10 years and not a word about it when things for the jackson estate were in the red. Stinks of fake news to me.


  • #1999
    brooke 2
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    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    No its conjecture that because he shared a bed with some children he must have raped them. Others have made the point that if he was so sexually interested in them why did he abandon them for other kids like Culkin who wouldn't "put out" to put it crudely.

    Culkin was very put out that people would think 'things like that' about him or say anything 'like that' about him. :rolleyes:


  • #2000
    suicide_circus
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    the documentary is clearly a cash grab but that dosnt mean he wasnt a profoundly creepy individual with an unhealthy interest in young boys


  • #2001
    brooke 2
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    joe40 wrote: »
    I know I'm been flippant here but if I'm on a work trip and choose to share a room and a bed with my glamorous female colleague, will the defence "nothing happened" carry much weight with the missus.
    Seriously though, you know that at this stage there will be no evidence that stands up in a court of law.
    But this is important Jackson is not on trial. His behaviour is been questioned especially in light of latest allegations, but also in relation to the stuff that has been well documented, but viewed in a different light nowadays.
    If a current celebrity was behaving like jackson did with kids it would not be widely accepted.
    As a society, not just in Ireland, we have all grown up a bit in relation to child abuse.
    Imagine Ed Sherran sharing a bed with children.

    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........:(


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  • #2002
    Necro
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    brooke 2 wrote:
    Culkin was very put out that people would think 'things like that' about him or say anything 'like that' about him.

    The thing about Culkin that's definitely another red flag is that he has had very documented substance abuse issues that essentially destroyed his acting career.

    I don't know much about him to be honest and in fairness it's also possible that being a childhood star just destroyed him with various temptations but the connection with Jackson is alarming in that respect.

    At the very least it wouldn't have helped sharing a bed with an adult male unrelated to him.

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  • #2003
    brooke 2
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    What sickens me is his whole family facilitiated him and continue to deny in a desperate attempt to somehow keep him marketable. Dirty bastards all

    I believe his sister LaToyah spoke out strongly against him in 1993? Subsequently withdrew her statement.


  • #2004
    JJJJNR
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    the documentary is clearly a cash grab but that dosnt mean he wasnt a profoundly creepy individual with an unhealthy interest in young boys

    Plenty of people are coming out saying there was no interest in anything other than being a support mechanism for them and their families. Why are people so hung up and taking this as fact when it's clearly a smear campaign.


  • #2005
    fryup
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    fin12 wrote: »
    Anyone who believes these two guys must be extremely naive and gullible.

    yep, and i was one of them at the start

    but after the past few days doing online research into Robson & Safechuck..i'm now convinced this is one big money spinning hoax, masterminded by Robson with Safechuck a reluctant accomplice

    i think it will all unravel for them in the coming months


  • #2006
    Balmed Out
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    wobatkicker23 wrote: »
    I am getting sick of this rewriting history with today’s standards of behavior.

    Sure it probably wouldn’t be accepted today but the 00s were a different time. No one would have thought twice about a middle-aged man sleeping with 10 year old kids in his bedroom.

    Let’s not apply today’s standards to history.

    I know its like ten pages back but bravo.:D


  • #2007
    ceadaoin.
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    Boggles wrote: »
    You mean when he was explaining to her why he wouldn't testify in the trial, all though no one asked him to and he wasn't admissible as a witness anyway? :)

    All Seems legit.


    Well he said Jackson called him and asked. Unless you have access to every one of his calls then you can't really know if no one asked him can you?


  • #2008
    suicide_circus
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    JJJJNR wrote: »
    Plenty of people are coming out saying there was no interest in anything other than being a support mechanism for them and their families. Why are people so hung up and taking this as fact when it's clearly a smear campaign.
    He was asked in an interview did he see anything wrong with a 45 year old man sharing a bed with a 13 year old boy. He said no. If he was asexual then maybe you could let it slide but he was a sexual being as evidenced by the porn found in his home, not to mention the artistic photography of nude male children.


  • #2009
    anewme
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    I'm like most people here. I could not stand up and say MJ is not a paedophile. 100 percent No.

    Do i believe this one sided documentary. 100 per cent no.

    Was shocked to see the Robson Charity misson statement change overnight to duit their narrative as if people could not take screenshots at a point in time.

    The old saying applies " a liar needs a good memory".

    These two individals and their families do not come across as credible. You cant trust a liar.


  • #2010
    Necro
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    suicide_circus wrote:
    He was asked in an interview did he see anything wrong with a 45 year old man sharing a bed with a 13 year old boy. He said no. If he was asexual then maybe you could let it slide but he was a sexual being as evidenced by the porn found in his home, not to mention the artistic photography of nude male children.


    Not to mention the marriages and the children :P

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  • #2011
    anewme
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    All my postts come up twice, not sure why.


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