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Micky Jackson in trouble again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Did LaToya recant all this? Has she commented on the current docu does anyone know?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That's it in a nutshell. We are led to believe Jackson slept with and potentially molested hundreds of kids. So far only 5 have come forward and Jackson was found innocent in a court room for one or found there was not enough evidence to justify a trial in two other cases. So a failed trial and two failed frivolous suits.


    There is no doubt that Jackson behaved inappropriately around children. The dangling of his own child out of a window is enough evidence of that.

    There is no doubt that Jackson himself came from a very abusive family situation. That has been documented several times and confirmed by other family members.

    There is no doubt that Jackson was a musical genius but a seriously flawed person

    There is no doubt that there are serious credible questions around Jackson and sexual abuse of boys. That a court failed to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean that on the balance of probabilities he wasn't an abuser.

    There is also no doubt that his accusers have some credibility issues, but do they arise from abuse that happened to them, in the same way that Jackson's personality was formed by his childhood?

    There is a question for everyone in whether we can separate Jackson the man from Jackson the music? Can we do so for David Bowie or George Michael? What about Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones? Or any number of rap music stars?

    You can turn and twist on this one so many times, yet it is so hard to remain consistent. Can you read Oscar Wilde or look at a Van Gogh painting? There are numerous other examples too..... What is true and what is right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Some worrying levels of naivety out of some posters in this thread. I reckon if they saw video footage of Jackson attempting to have intercourse with a 14-year old Wade Robson they'd probably say that he was "only trying to play leapfrog with him".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    It didn't all happen behind closed doors. You are ignoring what the accusers are saying at this stage. It happened on a daily basis outdoors on the estate. So answer me this, where are the witnesses? I'd be interested to see how you square that circle.

    Ummm, it was a f*cking massive estate and as the owner of it he probably knew where to go to get some privacy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There is no doubt that there are serious credible questions around Jackson and sexual abuse of boys. That a court failed to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean that on the balance of probabilities he wasn't an abuser.

    The jurors interviewed after the trial had no doubt whatsoever.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Did LaToya recant all this? Has she commented on the current docu does anyone know?

    She did yeah. Was put up to it by her abusive husband.


  • Posts: 1,159 [Deleted User]


    I wonder what is the magic number of accusers needed before some of you will believe what's staring you in the face. One poster said 'only' five boys accused him so it's not credible. Jesus wept, how many is acceptable in your eyes? 10, 20, 50? I suspect even if there were many more accusers you'd keep on with the excuses - "no evidence", "why didn't they say anything before?", "they only want money", etc, etc, ad nauseum.

    It's also clear that there are many people on this thread who have absolutely no understanding of child abuse, how it makes the child feel towards the abuser and how it affects people in their adult lives. If you did, you'd see there is nothing unusual in these two men only realising the full magnitude of what happened to them when their adults, especially after having kids. Jackson made them believe he loved them, and he told them they would go to jail if they ever told anyone what happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    blanch152 wrote: »

    There is no doubt that there are serious credible questions around Jackson and sexual abuse of boys. That a court failed to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean that on the balance of probabilities he wasn't an abuser.

    Right, but it means Gavin Arviso's claims were total BS. It's clear that the bar for the jury was set much above reasonable doubt in their decision.

    For me it doesn't require a court conviction, just evidence from somebody I would deem to be credible. People talk about evidence and proof as if you need forensics. First hand testimony is evidence. Sexual abuse cases get convicted on first hand testimony alone. People go to jail on the word of an accuser and nothing else.

    Would I send him to Jail on the word of Chandler, Arviso, Robson or Safechuck? Definitely not based on everything I know surrounding their testimony to date.

    But if there is somebody who comes forward with a believable account then it doesn't matter to me what happens in the courts as it's a completely different scenario because he's dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    The Nal wrote: »
    She did yeah. Was put up to it by her abusive husband.

    That's such a weak argument. What would her motivation have been? They say money - but she had plenty surely? And no amount of money in the world would convince me to call my brother a paedophile.

    Far more likely she told the truth and retracted it because her entire family disowned her.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Exactly. And not just shame, some lunatics are painting anyone that disagrees with them as “paedo and nonce defenders” which is fvcking disgusting.

    Yes abused people should be encouraged to come forward, but in a world of false accusations becoming hugely common, the very least people should do in cases like this is give a simple objective look at the evidence and the accusers too. These 2 are suspect to say the least. Even if Wacko was a paedo there’s every chance these 2 are complete bullsh!t artists.

    Yet anyone here who questions them legitimately (they defended him, in court, as adults!) is being labeled a paedo defender. Fvcking mental.

    Safechuck didn’t! How are people still saying he did? And Robson was subpoenaed.
    Haven't watched part 2 yet. Do they suggest why at the subsequent trial they defended Jackson? Were they paid off? Why do the others deny contact ever happened? What would they have to loose by admitting it now? Apart from maybe embarrassment?

    Once again for the cheap seats, James Safechuck did not testify as an adult in MJ’s favour.

    This really needs to be spelled out apparently. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Safechuck didn’t! How are people still saying he did? And Robson was subpoenaed.

    Jacksons lawyer (one of them) absolutely refutes the subpoena. He says he personally called Robson to testify.

    Jacksons lawyers also claim that at the start of the trial, Safechuck was not allowed as a character witness as there were no claims by staff that he was abused, unlike Robson, Barnes and McCulkin. They have stated he was a non-entity so they say he would not have been asked to testify. According to the lawyers anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Boggles wrote: »
    I haven't watched anything on OJ in years. So maybe new evidence has come to light

    But I had an interest in the trial as did most of the world, as far as I can remember I think it was the BBC who made a documentary a few years after and they were the first to highlight that his son was a very credible suspect and that was never followed up on, the reason given is the prosecution had all ready blown it's wad on OJ and there was no backing down.

    His son apparently had a rage problem and a history of extreme violence, drug problem and wasn't too keen on his step mother. He was also a chef.

    A credible theory posed at the time, was that the slowest car chases in the history of car chases with the Ford Bronco was not in fact to get away from the police but to lead them away from his son.

    Again it's a very long time since I researched the subject but I remember thinking at the time backed with discussion that son was a very credible suspect.

    You might be the only person on Earth that still thinks OJ is innocent. All because he wasn’t found guilty in the criminal trial and these can never be wrong. How do you explain him being found guilty of the 2 deaths in the civil trial? The courts disagreed with each other. That must really confuse!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Jacksons lawyer (one of them) absolutely refutes the subpoena. He says he personally called Robson to testify.

    Both of these things could have happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    That's such a weak argument. What would her motivation have been? They say money - but she had plenty surely? And no amount of money in the world would convince me to call my brother a paedophile.

    Far more likely she told the truth and retracted it because her entire family disowned her.

    Maybe yeah but look at her relationship with that guy. Crazy stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    KikiLaRue wrote: »

    Well no, I said "Jurors interviewed" after the trial. Ray wasn't.

    Ray signed a book deal at the time with the expressed intention that he writes it to frame Jackson as guilty.

    He eventually wanted nothing to do with it, he had to sue the publisher to get out of the contract.

    Another Juror who appeared on TV claiming Jackson was innocent, got a book deal to change her mind - which she did, she changed her mind again and the book never got written.

    But sure we have been through all this in the thread several times all ready. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    batman_oh wrote: »
    You might be the only person on Earth that still thinks OJ is innocent. All because he wasn’t found guilty in the criminal trial and these can never be wrong. How do you explain him being found guilty of the 2 deaths in the civil trial? The courts disagreed with each other. That must really confuse!

    I never said OJ was innocent, I think he was involved in the cover up, But I think his son killed them.

    As for the civil trial, there is a far lower burden of proof required.

    Also a quick google would indicate, that BBC documentary were not the only ones to make the son a credible suspect.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭JohnCreedon81


    Safechuck didn’t! How are people still saying he did? And Robson was subpoenaed.


    :

    Thanks for the clarification :) it’s still 50%, 1 of them. Stood up as an adult in court and defended Jackson under oath. Not to mention the many other reasons people have highlighted in this thread as to why trial by HBO may not be the fairest most lawful system :D

    Yet people in this thread who question his legitimacy or the validity of this film are being labeled as paedo defenders :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Boggles wrote: »
    Well no, I said "Jurors interviewed" after the trial. Ray wasn't.

    Ray signed a book deal at the time with the expressed intention that he writes it to frame Jackson as guilty.

    He eventually wanted nothing to do with it, he had to sue the publisher to get out of the contract.

    Another Juror who appeared on TV claiming Jackson was innocent, got a book deal to change her mind - which she did, she changed her mind again and the book never got written.

    But sure we have been through all this in the thread several times all ready. :rolleyes:

    Yeah, and you're still here...

    I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong, although I think it's unlikely. Are you?

    People who have said they think Michael is a paedophile
    - one of his maids
    - one of the jurors on the trial
    - his OWN sister
    - the alleged victims

    But you can explain away ALL of them. Except you can't. You know perfectly well it adds up to a very questionable picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,691 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Boggles wrote: »
    As for the civil trial, there is a far lower burden of proof required.

    And what better way to prepare for a civil trial than to have a one sided doc go viral in advance of it.

    I find it interesting that they didn't take any payment and the producer seems more than happy to reveal this fact. Surely there was a substantial amount of money to be made from it and why not take it. I wonder, if there was no civil trail planned would they still have done the doc free of charge.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    AllForIt wrote: »
    And what better way to prepare for a civil trial than to have a one sided doc go viral in advance of it.

    I find it interesting that they didn't take any payment and the producer seems more than happy to reveal this fact. Surely there was a substantial amount of money to be made from it and why not take it. I wonder, if there was no civil trail planned would they still have done the doc free of charge.

    That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how documentaries are made.

    In most cases, participants are not paid for the same reason journalistic sources are not usually paid (serious ones, red tops aside) - because it could lead to charges that they only said it for the money... a fear that would obviously have been borne out here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,977 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Listen to Liveline, Damien hasn't a clue. Doesn't know if the mockumentary has aired in the US. A listener on spouting false information, Michael didn't pay the compensation, his insurance company did and he had no choice in the matter. Says Channel 4 did a lot of research, more $h1t, HBO made it. Get people on the air that know what they're talking about. Jordan Chandler is free to testify in another case, he refused to do so in 2005. He refused to be interviewed for Leaving Neverland. He got emancipated from his parents shortly after 1993. Why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Necro wrote: »
    I mean it's hard not to look at Jackson and see accurate comparisons to Saville.

    Both were extremely odd characters who had an obsession of being around young children.

    Now we know Saville was a sick twisted monster who used his position to abuse and destroy the lives of many, many children. So logic tells ME (I don't frankly care what anyone else, MJ disciple or not) that Jackson did exactly the same.

    People will bring up court cases and 'where's the hard proof, the evidence' and it frankly doesn't matter.

    If you think it's normal behaviour for a grown man to share a bed with 7 year old children that are not biologically related to him then that's your prerogative. And that is BEFORE any further allegations are even discussed.

    My own opinion is that Jackson was a warped human being, likely every bit as sick and twisted as Saville.

    That’s it. Even before we get to allegations, the on-record stuff about MJ is absolutely fucked. Corey Feldman had defended him a lot. He said all MJ did was talk to him about how dangerous sex was and show him books about venereal disease. Oh, is that all, Corey? That’s all totally appropriate. :rolleyes:

    I loathe how anyone who speaks out against MJ is immediately discredited in any way MJ’s superfans can. It’s what goes a good way to helping me believe these people because who would sign up for that willingly - having their names dragged through the mud. For me at least, no amount of money would be worth that significant hassle.

    And I honestly think that it doesn’t matter who it is, MJ superfans would try and discredit anyone who speaks out against him. Nobody has lived a perfect life - I’m pretty sure something can be dug up on anyone if you try hard enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    But you can explain away ALL of them. Except you can't. You know perfectly well it adds up to a very questionable picture.

    Well I'll have a stab at it with your permission, it is a discussion forum after all. :D
    KikiLaRue wrote: »

    People who have said they think Michael is a paedophile
    - one of his maids
    - one of the jurors on the trial
    - his OWN sister
    - the alleged victims

    Maid - changed her story 3 times, eventually stating under oath that Jackson was in fact alone in the shower and not with Robson. Got 20k of a TV show for an interview who had a hard on for Jackson.

    Juror - All ready stated, signed a book deal had to sue to get out of it, even at that though, there was 10 counts against Jackson he voted not guilty 10 times, but he was so damn sure he was guilty. :rolleyes:

    Sister - Beaten half to death by an abused and loon husband and forced to say it for money, eventually fully retracted what she said and begged forgiveness, I don't know If I would have been able to but Michael forgave her.

    The Alleged Victims - Well there is a whole thread about them, the key word there is alleged.

    How did I do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Arn't lie detectors supposed to be 99% accurate.

    Why is this then not deployed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Boggles wrote: »
    Well I'll have a stab at it with your permission, it is a discussion forum after all. :D



    Maid - changed her story 3 times, eventually stating under oath that Jackson was in fact alone in the shower and not with Robson. Got 20k of a TV show for an interview who had a hard on for Jackson.

    Juror - All ready stated, signed a book deal had to sue to get out of it, even at that though, there was 10 counts against Jackson he voted not guilty 10 times, but he was so damn sure he was guilty. :rolleyes:

    Sister - Beaten half to death by an abused and loon husband and forced to say it for money, eventually fully retracted what she said and begged forgiveness, I don't know If I would have been able to but Michael forgave her.

    The Alleged Victims - Well there is a whole thread about them, the key word there is alleged.

    How did I do?

    The maid is also one of the 5 staff that unsuccessfully sued Jackson for unfair dismissal. They lost their case and owed thousands. Wasnt she also selling stolen stuff from Neverland?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 473 ✭✭Pissartist


    How anyone can say he wasn't a paedo is beyond me.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There is no doubt that Jackson behaved inappropriately around children. The dangling of his own child out of a window is enough evidence of that.

    There is no doubt that Jackson himself came from a very abusive family situation. That has been documented several times and confirmed by other family members.

    There is no doubt that Jackson was a musical genius but a seriously flawed person

    There is no doubt that there are serious credible questions around Jackson and sexual abuse of boys. That a court failed to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean that on the balance of probabilities he wasn't an abuser.

    There is also no doubt that his accusers have some credibility issues, but do they arise from abuse that happened to them, in the same way that Jackson's personality was formed by his childhood?

    There is a question for everyone in whether we can separate Jackson the man from Jackson the music? Can we do so for David Bowie or George Michael? What about Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones? Or any number of rap music stars?

    You can turn and twist on this one so many times, yet it is so hard to remain consistent. Can you read Oscar Wilde or look at a Van Gogh painting? There are numerous other examples too..... What is true and what is right?


    Because he dangled his baby out of a window that makes him a child rapist?

    You are right, there is no doubt he behaved inappropriately around children. Bit of a stretch to argue that because he stupidly dangled his kid out the window, therefore it follows he must have raped kids. You need to prove the final link in the chain. We have the testimony of guys whose lawsuits were thrown out, who made allegations without being cross examined that no-one has been able to substantiate such as being raped outdoors. No witnesses to this rape? none? just one?

    Its not me that's twisting things by the way. I'm all for the police, fbi, a trial judge and jury to put anyone on trial or an estate on trial if deceased. That happened and he wasn't convicted.
    All we have on here is social media conjecture.

    The place to sort all this out is in court not conjecture and creating linkages and allegations that no-one could possibly verify or has been able to verify.

    I for example could allege anything about anyone but if I have a history of lying or lack credibility chances are I won't be believed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Very interesting.
    Since Sundance and HBO & many other media appear to be more interested in salacious fabrications than actual journalism, let me do it for them. This all started in 1993. There was an attempt by Evan Chandler to procure funds from Michael Jackson to pursue his screenwriting dreams. When Michael does not comply, Evan seeks out a private attorney and publicly makes the accusation that Michael molested his son. He is on tape stating such things as “If I go through with this I win big time. I will get everything I want. It will be a massacre if I don’t get what I want.” His son, Jordan, who lives with his mother, repeatedly denies being molested. However, when he goes on visitation to stay with his father, he changes his story and “admits” he was molested. The police open an investigation. They search Michael’s home as well as his entire body. The boy’s description does not match. The boy says Michael is circumcised, we know from his autopsy that he was not. The police convened two separate grand juries to press charges, but both refused due to lack of evidence. Meanwhile, the civil case is proceeding, and Michael is required to give a deposition. But the district attorney refuses to close the criminal case. Michael's lawyers press the court to delay the civil deposition until the criminal case is closed and the other side presses for it to continue. That's right, the accusers want the civil trial, and Michael the criminal investigation. Let that one sink in. Judge, unfortunately, agrees with the accusers and so, Michael must either give a deposition in the civil case and allow the district attorney to try to build a case around his deposition or he must settle. This takes his right to a fair criminal trial, should one ever occur, away. For example, if he gives an alibi, they can change the dates when they press charges. This happened in 2003, they changed the dates on the charge sheet once they found out on TV that Michael had an airtight alibi. Even the state of California eventually agreed and changed their laws so this cannot happen to anyone again. A defendant should have the right to present their defense for the first time, in a criminal court room. Michael had numerous lawsuits that he was dealing with constantly and the overwhelming majority were settled for practical reasons, this was nothing new. Not long after all of this, Jordan Chandler filed for emancipation from his parents, and I have to say, I can’t blame him. And, oh, by the way, the civil settlement did not stop anyone from continuing the criminal investigation, but I suppose since Evan got his money and Jordan wanted emancipation from his parents, no one cared about the criminal pursuit any longer.


    Move forward to 2003. Michael appears in a highly slanted documentary made by Bashir where he, at Bashir’s urging, invites a prior cancer victim that he helped up to Neverland for the interview. In the interview, the boy says he and his brother slept in Michael’s bed and Michael and another adult friend of Michael’s on the floor. Media started speculating non-stop on TV that Michael was molesting this child. Both the police and child services begin an investigation. The media is hounding the boy’s family so Michael invites them to stay at a guest house in Neverland for a couple weeks until the media frenzy dies down. The district attorney (same one as from 1993) is out for blood. But he has a problem. For anyone who watches the full, unedited version of this interview and the way they were praising Michael, it would be very hard to believe this boy was molested. So, the story they go to court with as that the molestation occurred after, when the family went back to Neverland. That’s right, Michael has known this child for three years, never molested him, but the police want you to believe that at the height of the world speculating every day on TV that he is molesting this child, in the middle of a police and child services investigation, he suddenly has a realization that he wants to start molesting this child. And then there is the credibility of the witnesses, who previously sewed JC Penny for sexual harassment, who committed welfare fraud, who pursued numerous celebrities for funds, who held fund raisers to pay for medical expenses when they already had insurance, etc. And on the witness stand repeatedly contradicted themselves and each other. It was clear from testimony that only once they were cut out of Michael Jackson’s life, and only once they lost the free ride they were hoping to maintain indefinitely, did they concoct the molestation allegations. And mind you, instead of going to the police they went to the same exact civil attorney that got the 1993 settlement. But as I mentioned above, laws were changed now, and the attorney told them they had to pursue the criminal route prior to the civil route. The list of absurdities that was this case just goes on and on and on. The only reason it got past a grand jury is because the public had at this point been brain washed for 10 years by the media into believing that Michael Jackson is a child molester. Otherwise the grand jury would have given these allegations the same fate two separate grand juries gave the 1993 allegations.


    Move forward to a few years after Michael’s passing (RIP). Wade Robson is involved in various tribute shows to MJ, continues to praise him in the press, and before he passed, continued to occasionally spend time with Michael. During the 2005 trial, he, among others, testified that Michael never touched them. They were witnesses called by the defense. What abuser would take the risk of calling a witness to the stand, that he had previously abused, a witness that was in no way integral to the defense? It defies all logic. A few years after Michael’s death Wade petitions the Estate to allow him to be the lead choreographer of the Michael Jackson Cirque Du Soleil show. That’s right, he wants to work every day and night, for years, travelling around the world choreographing a tribute to Michael. He even tells the press he got the job. But the Estate decided to give the job to someone else. Once a choreographer for acts like Britney Spears, his career appears to be on the skids. So, what does he do? He sues Michael Jackson’s estate for child molestation. Notice the same pattern with the prior accusers, then want ‘in’ and only once they are cut ‘out’ do they make molestation accusations. The amount of inconsistent statements and contradictions in the lawsuit are overwhelming, including such blatant lies as Wade claiming he did not know about the existence of the MJ Estate until immediately prior to filing his lawsuit, even though he is on camera and in emails discussing and asking the MJ Estate for the lead job on Michael Jackson Cirque Du Soleil shows. His lawsuit is thrown out of court. So, what does he do then? Has HBO and Sundance give him airtime to share his “story”. In regards to Safechuck, he jumped in on Wade’s lawsuit once he heard about it for what I’m sure he hoped would be an easy payday. If you read Safechuck’s allegations he appears to have copied them from a book from the 1990’s entitled “Michael Jackson was my Lover” written by Victor Gutierrez, who thanks NAMBLA in his book and who was successfully sued by Michael Jackson for defamation for close to $3 million. Gutierrez fled the country and did not pay. Sadly, there are no defamation laws to protect the deceased, which is why Safechuck and HBO can now air this nonsense.


    I’m certain that none of this will be covered in the documentary. No, instead we will get salacious claims from discredited individuals and they and Sundance and HBO will all make their profits at the expense of a man who is no longer here to defend himself. Shame on all of them.


    Anyone who wants to copy/paste and post this elsewhere, please feel free to do so.


    For more detailed info go to https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com (it's not my site, but it's incredibly well done) and for letter from MJ Estate regarding the documentary: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5733176/Letter-to-R-Plepler-Re-Michael-Jackson.pdf.


    For other great articles see https://thevioletreality.com/leavingneverland-isnt-a-documentary-it-s-a-work-of-fiction-a6ba55e1a01b or https://www.forbes.com/sites/joevogel/2019/01/29/what-you-should-know-about-the-new-michael-jackson-documentary/#566d2a59640f or http://www.damienshields.com/what-the-media-refuses-to-tell-you/


    And for the Estate's lawsuit: https://leavingneverlandfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Petition-to-Compel-Arbitration.pdf


    For Brett’s lawsuit against HBO (who HBO claims was molested and he denies): https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1101951494830514177


    To help fund a rebuttal documentary: https://www.gofundme.com/untitled-michael-jackson-documentary-series


    For the real Michael Jackson, listen to this beautiful speech he gave at Oxford University. https://youtu.be/-TDMiRuhFPg;


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Boggles wrote: »
    Well I'll have a stab at it with your permission, it is a discussion forum after all. :D



    Boggles wrote: »
    Maid - changed her story 3 times, eventually stating under oath that Jackson was in fact alone in the shower and not with Robson. Got 20k of a TV show for an interview who had a hard on for Jackson.

    They paid her $2million to change her story and go away. That's a lot of money for someone who works as a maid. https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/the-abuse-allegations-made-by-michael-jacksons-maid.html
    Boggles wrote: »
    Juror - All ready stated, signed a book deal had to sue to get out of it, even at that though, there was 10 counts against Jackson he voted not guilty 10 times, but he was so damn sure he was guilty. :rolleyes:

    Are you getting this wrong by accident or on purpose? He said he believed MJ was a paedophile but that MJ's (very expensive and talented) legal team managed to create 'reasonable doubt'.
    Boggles wrote: »
    Sister - Beaten half to death by an abused and loon husband and forced to say it for money, eventually fully retracted what she said and begged forgiveness, I don't know If I would have been able to but Michael forgave her.

    For money? That makes zero sense, already covered above.

    The Alleged Victims - Well there is a whole thread about them, the key word there is alleged.
    Boggles wrote: »
    How did I do?

    I'd give you a C+.


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