Gardai hunting for expired motor tax in car parks

grogi · 02-03-2019 09:37PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I have to say you seriously believe they're set up to catch criminals rather then motor offences.

Let's put it that way: people need to pay taxes so that Garda force has money to chase other crimes.

If Garda don't do tax enforcement, people would stop paying and there wouldn't be money for them to work on other issues. So while I understand that at a particular moment there might be more important things to chase, from the longer perspective tax enforcement is equally important.

wonski · 02-03-2019 09:47PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I have to say you seriously believe they're set up to catch criminals rather then motor offences.

Some traffic offences are criminal, too. No insurance, no license or being under influence.

McCrack · 02-03-2019 09:49PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I have to say you seriously believe they're set up to catch criminals rather then motor offences.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/total-of-22-arrested-in-co-kilkenny-as-part-of-operation-thor-1.3674774%3fmode=amp

Bazzy · 03-03-2019 10:14AM

I had reason to call 999 a few years ago

A man was assaulting his partner/wife on the street.

I intervened as i feared he was going to do serious damage and she was holding a child.

I called 999 and i'd parked my car half on the footpath with the hazards on so I could be identified. I had kept the man at the scene he was a lot bigger than me and in hindsight I shouldnt have done that. A traffic corps car arrived very quickly to be fair and two lads jumped out

One was straight in to ascertain what had happened. The second lad stopped on the way to check my windscreen discs I guess its just in them.

Eggs For Dinner · 03-03-2019 12:23PM

Car parks, schools, outside mass, hospitals, basically everywhere. Go for it lads. I'm sick of paying every tax and bill while others go undetected.

DaveyDave · 03-03-2019 01:22PM

I don't see an issue with the law being enforced.

Squatter · 04-03-2019 11:25AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I've seen them checking in the underground car park of a Limerick shopping centre.

They drive slowly around the underground and above ground car parks of my local hotel (Cork City) every night, presumably to check registration numbers against their database of untaxed/stolen cars.

McCrack · 04-03-2019 02:47PM

Squatter wrote: »

They drive slowly around the underground and above ground car parks of my local hotel (Cork City) every night, presumably to check registration numbers against their database of untaxed/stolen cars.

Every night... Really?

GM228 · 06-03-2019 11:01PM

wonski wrote: »

Some traffic offences are criminal, too. No insurance, no license or being under influence.

All traffic offences are criminal offences, its a massive misunderstanding that many have that "motoring offence" is in a class of its own separate to the criminal system.

Any "offence" weather it be traffic related, fraud, theft, an offence against the person or whatever is a criminal offence.

coolshannagh28 · 06-03-2019 11:08PM

I don't see the logic of issuing tickets for out of date tax, Its now compulsory to fully pay back tax with no garda vouched off the road grace period , so this is simply a revenue raising exercise.

grogi · 06-03-2019 11:12PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

I don't see the logic of issuing tickets for out of date tax, Its now compulsory to fully pay back tax with no garda vouched off the road grace period , so this is simply a revenue raising exercise.

If it wasn't for the fine, everybody would be risking it. The worse that could happen is that you'd have to pay whatever you should be paying.

GM228 · 06-03-2019 11:13PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

I don't see the logic of issuing tickets for out of date tax, Its now compulsory to fully pay back tax with no garda vouched off the road grace period , so this is simply a revenue raising exercise.

If there was no issuance of tickets or some sort of deterrence then the amount of people who don't pay tax would massively increase don't you think.

The logic is it acts as a deterrent in terms of a fine for not complying with the law. The fine also gives you the chance to avoid court and conviction.

coolshannagh28 · 06-03-2019 11:24PM

GM228 wrote: »

If there was no issuance of tickets or some sort of deterrence then the amount of people who don't pay tax would massively increase don't you think.

The logic is it acts as a deterrent in terms of a fine for not complying with the law. The fine also gives you the chance to avoid court and conviction.

Its a tax on the poor , as I say paying the tax is compulsory in order to keep a car on the road , the people who are fined generally are struggling to do that.

brightspark · 07-03-2019 05:35AM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

I don't see the logic of issuing tickets for out of date tax, Its now compulsory to fully pay back tax with no garda vouched off the road grace period , so this is simply a revenue raising exercise.

Unless you never intend paying the tax, then the back tax isn't an issue!

Eggs For Dinner · 07-03-2019 08:31AM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Its a tax on the poor , as I say paying the tax is compulsory in order to keep a car on the road , the people who are fined generally are struggling to do that.

Tough, you want to put a car on the road, you pay what I have to pay

The Bishop Basher · 07-03-2019 08:58AM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

I don't see the logic of issuing tickets for out of date tax, Its now compulsory to fully pay back tax with no garda vouched off the road grace period , so this is simply a revenue raising exercise.

Motor tax is easily got around by transferring ownership. It's actually much easier then going down the cop shop with an RF100 form because you don't have to explain yourself to anyone , not that they ever asked.

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Its a tax on the poor , as I say paying the tax is compulsory in order to keep a car on the road , the people who are fined generally are struggling to do that.

Our government have zero scruples when it comes to taxing the poor. They did it in 2008 when they brought in the 2 tier tax system that gave huge tax reductions to people who could afford new cars.

coolshannagh28 · 07-03-2019 09:30AM

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Tough, you want to put a car on the road, you pay what I have to pay

The poor who struggle to tax a vehicle quarterly pay a premium of 10%

Allinall · 07-03-2019 09:37AM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

The poor who struggle to tax a vehicle quarterly pay a premium of 10%

Maybe with financial management like that, it’s no wonder they’re poor.

brightspark · 07-03-2019 09:49AM

coolshannagh28 wrote:

The poor who struggle to tax a vehicle quarterly pay a premium of 10%

The people who fail to budget pay a premium.
They probably also have to pay a larger amount if they pay insurance monthly too

Skip a few pints etc until you can pay for it in full.

People used to do without until they could afford to buy something, but then we had a period where anyone could get credit easily which has resulted in many living beyond their means.

Isambard · 07-03-2019 10:11AM

you pay more for quarterly discs because the costs of sending them out is quadrupled.

Isambard · 07-03-2019 10:13AM

Rennaws wrote: »

Motor tax is easily got around by transferring ownership. It's actually much easier then going down the cop shop with an RF100 form because you don't have to explain yourself to anyone , not that they ever asked.

.

Bear in mind there has been at least one Court case where a guy was repeatedly doing just this. It's a loophole you'll only get away with once in a while.

The Bishop Basher · 07-03-2019 10:22AM

Isambard wrote: »

Bear in mind there has been at least one Court case where a guy was repeatedly doing just this. It's a loophole you'll only get away with once in a while.

1 court case out of how many tax dodgers ?

I personally got away with it for years.

I was stopped at a few checkpoints but always talked my way out of it.

I was 11 months out on one occasion and they still let me drive on

I pay my tax these days because I choose too but if the government pulls a similar stunt over the move to EV's, I'll go straight back to not paying and i'll claw back every extra euro they take off me by avoiding the tax.

?Cee?view · 07-03-2019 11:12AM

Isambard wrote: »

Bear in mind there has been at least one Court case where a guy was repeatedly doing just this. It's a loophole you'll only get away with once in a while.

You sure of that? What law was broken? Difficult to see how it could be against the law to transfer ownership of a vehicle.

mikeecho · 07-03-2019 12:07PM

Squatter wrote: »

They drive slowly around the underground and above ground car parks of my local hotel (Cork City) every night, presumably to check registration numbers against their database of untaxed/stolen cars.

Or maybe they are just doing a patrol.
Sometimes that just means driving around, and around and around until sometime happens.

grogi · 07-03-2019 12:42PM

?Cee?view wrote: »

You sure of that? What law was broken? Difficult to see how it could be against the law to transfer ownership of a vehicle.

If there was no other reason to do ownership transfer, no money changed hands etc - the owner commits fraud to evade tax.

coolshannagh28 · 07-03-2019 12:44PM

Its essentially compulsory to tax a vehicle now with no loopholes , its a petty fundraising exercise particularly when its enforced by traffic wardens , where a reminder would be effective and then enforcement as per the TV license.

Isambard · 07-03-2019 12:48PM

grogi wrote: »

If there was no other reason to do ownership transfer, no money changed hands etc - the owner commits fraud to evade tax.

and that's what the guy was charged with, deliberately evading tax.

BarryD2 · 07-03-2019 12:51PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Its essentially compulsory to tax a vehicle now with no loopholes , its a petty fundraising exercise particularly when its enforced by traffic wardens , where a reminder would be effective and then enforcement as per the TV license.

What's aspect of car tax is 'petty fundraising'? It's a legal requirement and has been for decades.

That's your duty as a citizen - work, pay tax, fund services & facilities (like roads) and help support those than can't support themselves. Simple.

The Bishop Basher · 07-03-2019 12:56PM

Here's one here..

I'm not sure if it's the same one.

I do remember a case being discussed here a few years ago.

€200 fine :P

If I wasn't paying I would say it's worth the risk.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/sold-car-to-father-95-to-avoid-back-tax-36274483.html

coolshannagh28 · 07-03-2019 01:28PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

What's aspect of car tax is 'petty fundraising'? It's a legal requirement and has been for decades.

That's your duty as a citizen - work, pay tax, fund services & facilities (like roads) and help support those than can't support themselves. Simple.

I didn't refer to car tax being punitive , the point I am making is that the fines are not essentially logical .

Gardai hunting for expired motor tax in car parks

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