Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

ShaneC93 · 05-02-2019 03:37AM

Surprised these latest antics of hers have gotten so much media attention, a complete non-story - even the Independent did an article on it. She must be shopping it around to all the "news" sites or something.

mloc123 · 05-02-2019 10:13AM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

I’m shook at the photo she has up of her little girl. It’s grim

If she wants to be married by 12... She needs to be out there at 7/8 finding a man.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 05-02-2019 12:31PM

iguana wrote: »

The same just isn't true for traveller children. So many of those kids are stuck in a cycle of neglect that borders on abuse. Of grooming into behaviour that is utterly detrimental to their long-term prospects for safe, happy lives. And the state rarely steps in. It kind of can't, because if it stepped in for them they way it would for our children the action it takes would have to be so massive and far reaching it would spark off full scale riots. State workers and foster carers mightn't be safe. Innocent people would probably be hurt and the feeling of victimisation and racism would be fuelled to a point where it would never go away. So ultimately the real victims in the situation, the children, are left to stay in a life where the negative cycle will very, very rarely be broken out of. It's going to take something enormous to break that cycle en mass. It will be expensive and incredibly long-term, multi-generational.

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that the state can't or shouldn't intervene to enforce the law and protect children in part because state workers might not be safe and their actions might provoke violent retribution.

Where does this logic end?

The Gardai, social welfare inspectors, Revenue inspectors, and the Criminal Assets Bureau appear to steer clear of Travellers as much as they can for the same reason -- they fear for their safety. And we see the results. Social welfare fraud, tax evasion, drug trafficking, violent feuding, and pervasive anti-social behavior. Bare-knuckle boxing matches are now being held for purses worth hundreds of thousands of euros -- presumably the proceeds of crime -- and the state seems powerless to do anything about it.

Everyone should be equal under the law. People are sick and tired of a lawless minority getting away with whatever antics they like because the authorities are afraid to say boo to them. This needs to change. Nobody in Ireland in 2019 should be able to live outside the law.

Patrick2010 · 05-02-2019 12:46PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Kitty Holland says that the refusal of margaret into the pub is racism.

Twitter User points out that Margaret liked a comment on her video calling one of the Bouncers a 'Dirty Rotton Black F***ing Barstool'

Lovely.

https://twitter.com/sherlock_ps/status/1092498614310617088

The screenshot of Mags liking that comment is gone off the Twitter thread now

LollipopJimmy · 05-02-2019 12:53PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

The screenshot of Mags liking that comment is gone off the Twitter thread now

No it's still there

Patrick2010 · 05-02-2019 01:04PM

The racist comment from the guy on Mags facebook page is still there in the thread but after Kitty said "that is awful" there was a post showing Mags liking the racist comment. Thats gone now (unless I'm blind)

KrustyUCC · 05-02-2019 01:06PM

https://twitter.com/RichieCosg/status/1092452185290559489?s=20

KrustyUCC · 05-02-2019 01:07PM

Still there for me too

I'd say Kitty wasn't expecting that response as she didn't reply back

iguana · 05-02-2019 01:12PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

The Gardai, social welfare inspectors, Revenue inspectors, and the Criminal Assets Bureau appear to steer clear of Travellers as much as they can for the same reason -- they fear for their safety. And we see the results. Social welfare fraud, tax evasion, drug trafficking, violent feuding, and pervasive anti-social behavior. Bare-knuckle boxing matches are now being held for purses worth hundreds of thousands of euros -- presumably the proceeds of crime -- and the state seems powerless to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that it's ok. But it is the reality. The actions needed to truly deal with the criminality, neglect and abuse would be so inflammatory that the state will never be able to deal with it.

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

People are sick and tired of a lawless minority getting away with whatever antics they like because the authorities are afraid to say boo to them. This needs to change. Nobody in Ireland in 2019 should be able to live outside the law.

I used to look at the situation that way, then I changed my perspective. The adults are getting away with what they want. The children, and their rights, are being neglected by the state as much as by anyone else. The safety nets that our children have don't exist for those kids and for the most part, those kids need them far more. I don't think any of this is defensible, it's just the way that it is now. It can't/won't be fixed by law enforcement. It has to be fixed by improving things for the children, by opening up their perspectives, their opportunities and most importantly, their desire to avail of the opportunities.

inforfun · 05-02-2019 01:28PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Still there for me too

I'd say Kitty wasn't expecting that response as she didn't reply back

Even in Richie C's head it didnt play out as beautiful as it did in reality.

Johnny Red Cab · 05-02-2019 01:34PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Is there anyone here in all honesty that hasn't been refused entry to a pub over something stupid over some tw@t doorman with big fancy ideas? Jesus try going out in Cork sometime.

What I'd have given to have the power to have a column written on it and the establishment named and shamed every time in some rag of a paper or have some renowned "journalist" tweet about how sh@tty I've been treated.

I don't care what these people say. Being a traveller is a sweet deal. Write a thesis on how screwed over you've been your whole life, including language like 'I researched' and earn national acclaim.

What I could get away with if I was a traveller. Apply for jobs, (not that I'd need to) try to get into clubs and when it doesn't work out just scream discrimination.

These people have the whole thing sewn up. Sweetly

Then collect thousands in compo which is tax free and not reckonable for welfare purposes. They have it made.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 05-02-2019 02:12PM

iguana wrote: »

I don't think any of this is defensible, it's just the way that it is now. It can't/won't be fixed by law enforcement. It has to be fixed by improving things for the children, by opening up their perspectives, their opportunities and most importantly, their desire to avail of the opportunities.

But how are we to improve things for the children, or open up their perspectives and opportunities? Most Traveller children are taken out of school between the age of 12 and 15, which shuts the door on perspective and opportunity. Many Traveller girls are married off to their cousins while still in their teens. They will end up stuck in a caravan pregnant and raising kids while their settled peers are off at university.

As long as Travellers can avail of cradle-to-grave welfare support, can supplement their social welfare with the proceeds of crime, and can be relatively assured that Gardai, the CAB, Revenue inspectors, and social welfare inspectors are too afraid to come near them, things will never change -- especially now that, thanks to their ethnic minority designation, anyone who criticizes them is a racist.

Traveller culture destroys people's dignity and potential. It has a hugely negative impact on everyone, Travellers and settled people alike. So I don't think we can afford to adopt a defeatist attitude and say that it can't/won't be fixed, especially when Travellers are costing the taxpayer millions annually in social welfare, social housing, anti-social behavior, property damage, crime, policing costs, etc. The state has a responsibility to do more than it is doing.

Igotadose · 05-02-2019 03:03PM

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

But how are we to improve things for the children, or open up their perspectives and opportunities? Most Traveller children are taken out of school between the age of 12 and 15, which shuts the door on perspective and opportunity. Many Traveller girls are married off to their cousins while still in their teens. They will end up stuck in a caravan pregnant and raising kids while their settled peers are off at university.

Umm... new laws, or enforce existing ones? USA copes with this. No taking out of school would work at least, require schooling through age 18

tretorn · 05-02-2019 03:13PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/suspects-arrested-after-robbing-spree-in-two-counties-1.3782850

KrustyUCC · 05-02-2019 03:34PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Umm... new laws, or enforce existing ones? USA copes with this. No taking out of school would work at least, require schooling through age 18

Enforcing staying in school until after the Junior Cert would be a start in the right direction

airy fairy · 05-02-2019 03:46PM

Linking school attendance to child benefit would ensure children stay in school. And not just enrol them in Sept and sign a form to say they're in school, an attendance record to be kept, with children attending less than 75% of the year being struck off child benefit.
Back to school allowance, no doubt they're claiming that as well, should be the provision of books, school uniform and shoes alone, no cash, pardon the pun.

dermo888 · 05-02-2019 03:58PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Enforcing staying in school until after the Junior Cert would be a start in the right direction

The Junior Cert is not adequate anymore as a qualification in the eyes of most employers. Thirty, Forty years ago, perhaps it was adequate, but now its no longer fit for purpose.

Also - Your dealing with a multi-generational issue. Grandad did'nt get educated, so Dad did'nt get educated, and there's a surrounding culture of an outside world looking down and hating the community due to its inability to conform with modern accepted norms.

The system will come up with a million answers, none of them right. We've to accept that the Travelling community has to change if they've to move forward and get them onboard in the process. The approach of the justice/welfare/legal system will have to be much harsher than it is now, because its clear that the 'softy softly approach' is mocked and derided by the most anti-social and violent elements in their community. So its going to need to be a case of removing those dangerous elements for a prolonged period of time, so that the community 'sees' the harsh consequences that will be applied in future.

Conversely, virtuous behaviour in the community and society has to be seen to rewarded.

airy fairy · 05-02-2019 04:02PM

dermo888 wrote: »

We've to accept that the Travelling community has to change if they've to move forward and get them onboard in the process.

Ah but they won't change, what about their traditions? They keep banging on about them....whatever they may be.... because as far as I can see their traditions are almost all illegal.

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:21PM

airy fairy wrote: »

Linking school attendance to child benefit would ensure children stay in school. And not just enrol them in Sept and sign a form to say they're in school, an attendance record to be kept, with children attending less than 75% of the year being struck off child benefit.
Back to school allowance, no doubt they're claiming that as well, should be the provision of books, school uniform and shoes alone, no cash, pardon the pun.

Won't happen - you'll have the Margarets crying in the paper that "de poor angles couldn't go to school cos de country people were being racist to them and now I can't afford to feed the angles"

Johnny Red Cab · 05-02-2019 04:22PM

In a few European countries, entitlement to a driving licence or passport is conditional on having full completing a secondary education course.

It is a great way to control the underclasses and restrict their movements.

05-02-2019 04:23PM

I wonder was her Facebook page hacked?

“Margaret Elizabeth Cash
1 hr ·
&#55357;&#56468; i can't believe how fast time flies i miss you so so much mommy i wish you could be here, you are our gaurdian Angel. You have secured mine and my children your grandkids future when you left a will. Even though you made rules that i cant control it until i am 35 years old i know you done whats right. You have given us security and hope for the future something a lot of people dont have. For that i am forever greatful to you mommy. For everyone wondering my mother left a will behind when she passed away, she left a life changing amount of money to which i will benefit when im 35 years old. Although i am very happy that you have left this for us i know it will never fill the void you left behind when you passed away. I would also like to thank everyone that has helped me these passed few months. For you all i will be forever thankful you have all been amazing. My rock in my time of need especially when ive been getting ridiculed and judged by people i do not know i am blessed to have made such close friends who care and who help in my time of need you know who you are. From the very bottom of my heart THANK YOU!!
And to my beautiful mother sadie cash you are my hero i love you more than words can describe. I would give anything in this whole world just to see ur face again mommy &#55357;&#56468;”

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:23PM

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

In a few European countries, entitlement to a driving licence or passport is conditional on having full completing a secondary education course.

It is a great way to control the underclasses and restrict their movements.

Is it? Haven't come across that before. Would be a great system if you could implement it.

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder was her Facebook page hacked?

“Margaret Elizabeth Cash
1 hr ·
�� i can't believe how fast time flies i miss you so so much mommy i wish you could be here, you are our gaurdian Angel. You have secured mine and my children your grandkids future when you left a will. Even though you made rules that i cant control it until i am 35 years old i know you done whats right. You have given us security and hope for the future something a lot of people dont have. For that i am forever greatful to you mommy. For everyone wondering my mother left a will behind when she passed away, she left a life changing amount of money to which i will benefit when im 35 years old. Although i am very happy that you have left this for us i know it will never fill the void you left behind when you passed away. I would also like to thank everyone that has helped me these passed few months. For you all i will be forever thankful you have all been amazing. My rock in my time of need especially when ive been getting ridiculed and judged by people i do not know i am blessed to have made such close friends who care and who help in my time of need you know who you are. From the very bottom of my heart THANK YOU!!
And to my beautiful mother sadie cash you are my hero i love you more than words can describe. I would give anything in this whole world just to see ur face again mommy ��”

Can't be her, she spelled angel correctly.

vonlars · 05-02-2019 04:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder was her Facebook page hacked?

“Margaret Elizabeth Cash
1 hr ·
�� i can't believe how fast time flies i miss you so so much mommy i wish you could be here, you are our gaurdian Angel. You have secured mine and my children your grandkids future when you left a will. Even though you made rules that i cant control it until i am 35 years old i know you done whats right. You have given us security and hope for the future something a lot of people dont have. For that i am forever greatful to you mommy. For everyone wondering my mother left a will behind when she passed away, she left a life changing amount of money to which i will benefit when im 35 years old. Although i am very happy that you have left this for us i know it will never fill the void you left behind when you passed away. I would also like to thank everyone that has helped me these passed few months. For you all i will be forever thankful you have all been amazing. My rock in my time of need especially when ive been getting ridiculed and judged by people i do not know i am blessed to have made such close friends who care and who help in my time of need you know who you are. From the very bottom of my heart THANK YOU!!
And to my beautiful mother sadie cash you are my hero i love you more than words can describe. I would give anything in this whole world just to see ur face again mommy ��”

Genuinely thought this was a joke until I checked her Facebook. At least she can take herself of benefits and council housing! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And I suppose this money came from her mother being such a hardworking individual!

Quazzie · 05-02-2019 04:27PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't be her, she spelled angel correctly.

But Guardian wrong

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:29PM

Quazzie wrote: »

But Guardian wrong

Good spot.

sligojoek · 05-02-2019 04:32PM

Why would someone feel the need to publicise private details like that?

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:34PM

sligojoek wrote: »

Why would someone feel the need to publicise private details like that?

Because they are an attention-seeking idiot.

Johnny Red Cab · 05-02-2019 04:35PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Is it? Haven't come across that before. Would be a great system if you could implement it.

It is very easily implemented. When a person presents at the administration for a passport or driving licence they are asked for their school completion certificate. No cert, no dice.

Gravelly · 05-02-2019 04:44PM

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

It is very easily implemented. When a person presents at the administration for a passport or driving licence they are asked for their school completion certificate. No cert, no dice.

Good luck getting that one past the "It's not traveller culture to finish secondary school so that's racist" crowd.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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