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Shanemac requests you put your scientific arguments here

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  • #62
    Hobart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    Originally posted by Turnip
    It has been argued that people as virulently homophobic as the SF scum are, are actually attacking the potential homosexual in themselves. They're struggling to repress homosexual feelings, fear that their masculinity is under threat and feel the need to bolster it with masculine expressions like violence and scapegoating and other attempts at dominant behaviour. That's according to a gay friend of mine anyway. Maybe some gay people here would know more about it.
    Sounds like a very valid thesis allright.:rolleyes:


  • #63
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    Since shanemac isnt really about much now perhaps you should quote his statements that backs up your assertions, maybe he'll pop back to address these issues, in regard to attacks i dont appreciate being called a fascist.


    a) ShaneMac is attacking immigrants. (btw is opposing immigration attacking immigrants?)
    b) he asserts that 'skyeirls parents are going to destroy Ireland\

    also tell me

    what in the your mind defines a extremely right-wing racist website <cue darth vader music here>

    Why are people who oppose mass-immigration extreme right wing? It isnt because the Guardian sez so anyway.

    and tell me why having equality of immigration is a good thing.
    why south pacific islanders are just as desirable as the scottish?

    Its to be noted that being completely consistant on immigration and equality you have to oppose the nation state itself as inequitable as it favours its own citizens to those of other countries, This is why the most consistent adocates of equality seek one world global governance.

    ww) ww) ww)


  • #64
    DadaKopf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    Aren't you the guy who laughed at Dadakpf for using someone elses arguments?
    He did what, when, where?


  • #65
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    in regard to attacks i dont appreciate being called a fascist.
    ....

    Surely calling you a facist is simply prejudice against you...it being an opinion formed without knowledge of, or attention to the facts.

    **************************
    * Prejudice is merely judgement,
    **************************
    * It can't be banned.
    **************************

    So, while you mightn't appreciate it....you agree that the person should be allowed to do so.

    Fair enough.

    jc


  • #66
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    a) ShaneMac is attacking immigrants. (btw is opposing immigration attacking immigrants?)

    You only have to read his first post -

    1 - Immigrants reject the native culture
    2 - Immigrants don't care about the native environment
    3 - Immigrants do not mix with the native people
    4 - Immigrants take over crime
    5 - Immigrants bring terrorism with them
    6 - Immigrants ruin our unique country.

    He then went on in later posts to attack anyone pro-immigration. He called all of us un-patriotic and even call Meh a traitor to Ireland.

    It is perfectly possible to oppose immigration without attacking immigrants, but Shanemac doesn't do this ... he believes immigration will not work because of the inferior nature of immigrants.
    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    b) he asserts that 'skyeirls parents are going to destroy Ireland

    Skyeirl's parents (or one of them AFAIK) are immigrants ... Shanemac believe immigrants will destroy out country and turn Ireland into a multicultural wasteland ... you do the math (1+1=2)

    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    what in the your mind defines a extremely right-wing racist website <cue darth vader music here>

    Why are people who oppose mass-immigration extreme right wing? It isnt because the Guardian sez so anyway.

    Not everyone who opposes immigration is right-wing (I assume) ... but the website you posted from is completely racist, and judging their view on other topics, extremely right-wing. It is kind of obvious
    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    and tell me why having equality of immigration is a good thing.
    why south pacific islanders are just as desirable as the scottish?

    You think that south asian people should be less desirable than scottish people, less worthy to move to Ireland?? Are you serious?


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  • #67
    p.pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭p.pete


    Hope I'm [not] stirring sh1t here
    Originally posted by DadaKopf
    He did what, when, where?
    In response to
    The Africans have had a good 40 years and billions of dollars in aid and good intentions on behalf of the west, but they have been unable to get it together to run their affairs competently independently. This is simply fact.
    You said
    Originally posted by DadaKopf
    Go this boards.ie thread. You'll see you're very, very wrong indeed.
    and then he said - well, actually I can only para-phrase what he said because I can't actually find the actual post. Basically it went along the lines that you should be able to provide arguments for yourself without linking to what other people have said (which seems a little rich considering the source).

    I definately remember reading the post in question but in fairness to shanemac he has probably since removed it. When initially posting I am guessing he did not realise that you had linked to somewhere that a lengthy discussion had already taken place.

    All fair enough really, think it was more of a flippant remark than anything else and has been edited as such.


  • #68
    Irishladnyc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭Irishladnyc


    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples. Introducing these people into Ireland is a dreadly mistake.

    When the Irish went to places like America or Australia, the Irish worked and did not leech off the system. Nigerians bring drugs and rot into the society, and black and asian gangsters will make John Gilligan and Martin Cahill look like a joke.

    Look at what happened in America and Britain. Say no to the destruction of Ireland.

    Shaney Mac is right, arrogant and evil liberals labelling him a racist and mocking him for emigrating to Australia are cowards and lunatics of the highest order. Anyone who is pro-multicultural Ireland are anti-Irish, anti-White racists who believe all white societies are inherently bad. Reverse racism is worse than racism itself, as hypocrisy is a sin pardonable only by the devil and his minion.

    Originally posted by BigCon
    And what exactly is this thread about?


  • #69
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples.

    This alone is reason enough not to believe anything you say. Do you know anything about the basics of evolution at all?

    And the devil bit at the end is excellent. What better way to enter scientific and philosophical discussion than by telling people who disagree that they'll burn in hell?:rolleyes:
    hypocrisy is a sin pardonable only by the devil and his minion.

    Repent ye immigrants who speak out against immigration!
    :D


  • #70
    Meh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples.
    Wow, this statement betrays an utter lack of understanding of the basics of evolution. Please go read the talk.origins FAQ:
    Evolution is not progress. Populations simply adapt to their current surroundings. They do not necessarily become better in any absolute sense over time. A trait or strategy that is successful at one time may be unsuccessful at another.

    All species have descended from a common ancestor. As time went on, different lineages of organisms were modified with descent to adapt to their environments. Thus, evolution is best viewed as a branching tree or bush, with the tips of each branch representing currently living species. No living organisms today are our ancestors. Every living species is as fully modern as we are with its own unique evolutionary history. No extant species are "lower life forms," atavistic stepping stones paving the road to humanity.
    Look at what happened in America and Britain. Say no to the destruction of Ireland.
    Eh, last time I looked, Britain and America hadn't been destroyed. In fact, they were doing quite well for themselves.


  • #71
    pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭pete


    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    make John Gilligan and Martin Cahill look like a joke.

    I wouldn't let Vicky hear you say that... not if you like your kneecaps.


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  • #72
    sceptre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples.

    I'm assuming this will be a basis for half your posts here so some scientific evidence of this would be nice. Something written by a scientist preferably. Otherwise you're just wasting bandwidth.

    Nigerians bring drugs and rot into the society, and black and asian gangsters will make John Gilligan and Martin Cahill look like a joke.

    White irish people have been capable of flooding Irish cities with drugs for years. Interesting to see the names of the Irish guys you mentioned there. What do you think they got up to at the weekend then?

    hypocrisy is a sin pardonable only by the devil and his minion.
    Do you really believe in the devil then? Who precisely is his minion?


  • #73
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples. Introducing these people into Ireland is a dreadly mistake.

    LOL .. that is on of the stupidest, most ignorant things I have heard on this thread (and that is saying a lot) .. you know nothing about what you are babbling on about .. why do you even bother.

    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    hypocrisy is a sin pardonable only by the devil and his minion.

    Tell that to Shanemac .. the immigrant preaching against immigration :p


  • #74
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    Anyway back to me...

    yes i dont like being called a facist, but ive explained why i am not a fascist. I dont cry to the daddy state when someone discriminates against me.

    Wicknight, what is the difference between criticism and attacking?


    I believe you be un patriotic too, its a criticism, i also know you dont believe yourself to be unpatriotic in fact you find it somewhat offensive.
    You think that south asian people should be less desirable than scottish people, less worthy to move to Ireland?? Are you serious?

    very much so, try to think of why i would say that without using the word racist, try culture.


  • #75
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Originally posted by Irishladnyc
    Sub saharan africans are less evolved than Northern peoples. Introducing these people into Ireland is a dreadly mistake.

    Jesus my 12 year old cousin has a better understanding of evolution than any SF poster who has come on here.

    Firstly, look guys, there is no such thing as less or more evolved. No creature in existance today is more[ evolved than any other.

    They are, in their environment, the pinnacle or evolution, otherwise they simply would be out competed and die off.

    Secondy, your sub-saharan/african statement is racist propeganda nonsense. Find me one, just one, non-white-supremicist, peer reviewed scientific journal that backs up your comment.


  • #76
    Silent Bob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Silent Bob


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    very much so, try to think of why i would say that without using the word racist, try culture.
    Why? What is wrong with different cultures? Recognising and learning from other cultures doesn't somehow dilute your own. Neither does having more than one culture in one place.

    It's the non-multicultural places that you really need to look out for c.f. Northern Ireland, Israel etc.


  • #77
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    Because some cultures are not good to have - they increase social discord, roma gypsies for example. AMMERIKKAN imperialist culture for instance for you lefties out there would be undesirable to you too or white nationalist culture, would you let in a load of south afrikaners if thier racist culture was being purged in south africa?

    Also some cultures are more assimilable then others. But leave enough of them in and they will forge an enclave eg, whites to australia, latinos to california.

    NI is not multicultural? are not there 2 groups of people claiming distinct cultures there as in Isreal? ( armenians/jews/arabs)


  • #78
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    would you let in a load of south afrikaners if thier racist culture was being purged in south africa?
    I despised the idea of apartheid South Africa.

    I've yet to meet a white South African I didn't like. [1]

    Is there a contradiction? I can't see it.

    [1] I've yet to meet a black South African. I'm sure I'll like them too.


  • #79
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    AMMERIKKAN imperialist culture for instance for you lefties out there would be undesirable to you too or white nationalist culture, would you let in a load of south afrikaners if thier racist culture was being purged in south africa?

    For a start American imperialism isn't a culture, it is a foreign policy.

    Besides if an American gets off a plane you can't assume anything about him culturally, and as such shouldn't discriminiate against him based on your preconcieve notions of how an American will behave and act. You can't assume that he was a member of the KKK anymore than you can assume he was a Black Panter. You can't assume he is a gun nut any more than you can assume he is going straight to Shannon to bust up a war plane.

    Call me a lefty idiot, but I don't believe it is right to discriminate against an individual based on the sterotypical and preconcieved notions about the culture you believe he follows.

    BTW How do you judge the worth of a culture?

    There are plenty of people around the world who believe that the Irish culture is all drinking, fighting and doing bad building jobs.

    Do you not think it would be vastly unfair to stop me or yourself from immigratiing to a foreign country because we come from an undesirable culture?


  • #80
    Silent Bob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Silent Bob


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    NI is not multicultural? are not there 2 groups of people claiming distinct cultures there as in Isreal? ( armenians/jews/arabs)
    This is the problem. If there were far more cultures evenly mixed in, no one would give a rats ass about whether or not you went to this church or that.

    Being exposed to many different cultures fosters tolerance.


  • #81
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    bob, Hmm as far as my historic study has come out with your statement only applies to large statist quasi dictatorships such as the ottomon empire, china(tolerant?), brazil, andelusia under the muslims. All of which had very special kinds of tolerance(shut up or ill kick your head in tolerance).

    Give me your examples of the lands of tolerance!!! I demand them.

    "Being exposed to many different cultures fosters tolerance"

    This may apply to infectious diseases but not to culture how for example have the hindus, jews, muslims and zorastrians and carribians expressed thier tolerance in london? by moving into different arers of the city because they get along with their fellow humans so much.*

    *to be noted is the thousands of blacks who lived in london at one point in the 19th century who blended in with the locals, this is largely due I believe to the low numbers of them and thier lack of racial awareness.

    Wicknite
    Do you not think it would be vastly unfair to stop me or yourself from immigratiing to a foreign country because we come from an undesirable culture?

    Hate the saint love the sinner, I'll respect the laws of the land in another country, if the japs or whoever dont want foreigners in thier country thats their business. Doesnt a country have the right to protect its own borders?

    Why is it objectable for me for instance to not want the boat people of south east asia to pull into an irish port becasue they feel like it?

    Answering your culture question is say the culture of the San(a great example ill always use) a people whose economics and culture is based on hunter gathering desirable? Should i respect that culture in a multicultural patchwork which means i must treat them with the same respect as joe the farmer down the road? get real.

    The world is based on inequities, deal with is as justly as you can not by ignoring them..


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  • #82
    p.pete
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    It's interesting seeing NI being mentioned in the conversation, multicultural and all that it is.

    The different cultures found in NI have historically been based around religion and not colour but quite often it has effectively amounted to the same thing. Like in areas of South Africa where traditionally Black people would normally live in one part of the city and whites another we see the same kind of seperation in Ireland.

    Another comparison would be the white man taking over places like america or australia. The english came to Ireland via plantations and took the best land and decided who got jobs and also who got which jobs. The Indians and Aboriginees in their own land were marginalised much like the Catholics in NI.

    Given that there is different classes of protestent (ie anglican, church of england etc) depending on which one a settler from Britain may have been determined how high their social status was. In places like America and Oz it was always easy for these lower down protestants to make sure that their was somebody lower down on the ladder (the coloured guy).

    Basically what happened in our own country happened in many others. We are no different from Black people, asian people or indian people.

    In addition when Irish people first started emmigrating we were usually given the same treatment as other undesirable immigrants. Basically it is a form of one up manship. Nobody wants to be at the bottom of the social ladder. All a bit pathetic really.

    For my two cents, as an Irish person I would like to be able to travel anywhere in the world. Also I don't see why I should be afforded a right like this if the people in the countries I go to are not able to go in the opposite direction.


  • #83
    bonkey
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    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    Give me your examples of the lands of tolerance!!! I demand them.

    Switzerland, for a start....although I'm not so sure they'd tolerate StormFront.


    jc


  • #84
    bonkey
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    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    Because some cultures are not good to have

    Yup. The culture of mono-culturalism, for example.


    jc


  • #85
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    Now we find the true colours emerging, bonkey is a transnatonal progressive.

    He has just condemned himself and i wish it upon him.

    Japan and iceland are in bonkeys book ww) monsters ww) . Bonkey's disrespect for people is borne out by his view that monoculture is no good. His dreams, possibly for the unification of man through self loathing and unrelatenting altruism speak to us all. After all how could they not, Bonkey wishes us all to immediately jump on the train of cometing ethnic interest groups, twirling... twirling .. towards freedom!

    Abolish the borders then and let the hordes of north african muslim nutters into the camp of the saints, after all they'll surely come to embrace our tolerant ways and repect for dignity and equality even though they might secretly want to create a worldwide ummah and enslave mankind to the will of Allah!

    nonsence they embrace the radical feminist agenda like the rest of us!

    Salem!


  • #86
    Giblet
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    This thread reminds of Amway, or some kind of Pyramid scheme.

    If you disagree with the people flogging their "wares" they immediatly scould you and call you an idiot. With no basis of course, it's all part of the training.

    Stromfront corrupts the mind, they feed you with facts, and teach (lead by example) you to scould anyone who disagrees with you.

    I'm waiting for some kind of "fact" that disputes this.


  • #87
    TuathaDeDanaan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭TuathaDeDanaan


    you need a fact to disprove your "fact"?


  • #88
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Switzerland eh?


  • #89
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    you need a fact to disprove your "fact"?
    `

    I've yet to see you refute any argument with a fact.

    All you do is label people with political tags and link to white-supremecy propaganda, which you plagerise in your arguments.

    You haven't actually given us any facts, figures or examples that come from an unbiased source (with the exception of a national geographic image, from an article, which, if you had bothered to read it, stated how unaccepted the point you trying to make was) or indeed an opinion or comment that isn't rhetoric coming straight from a stormfront-esque lobbying group.

    In fairness to shanemac, at least he tried.

    Now, I'm not opposed to your views or opinions, however strongly I disagree with them. but if you are going to make arguments against people who are rebutting your posts, at least try and do so without the use of quote from stormfront pamphlets and the like. (I'm not saying your are from stormfront, I'm just pointing out that most of your "facts" come from heavily biased sources).


  • #90
    Zombrex
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    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan

    Why is it objectable for me for instance to not want the boat people of south east asia to pull into an irish port becasue they feel like it?

    What is wrong with people from south east asia??


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  • #91
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Originally posted by TuathaDeDanaan
    Japan and iceland are in bonkeys book ww) monsters ww) . Bonkey's disrespect for people is borne out by his view that monoculture is no good.


    Good god man, have you forgotten what you were even writing about?

    You were asserting that certain cultures are not good to have in a multi-cultural mix.

    I am saying that the cultures that are not good are those who are intrinsically opposed to a multi-cultural mix. Cultures like StormFront's, for example (because I don't limit culture to meaning "from a specific location").

    Note also that I never said that they shouldn't be allowed in...I just said that they're not good to have. I also did not suggest for a second that "not good to have" equates to "should not be there", so if you'd kindly stop putting words in my mouth (or fingers, as would be more appropriate in a written context) I'd appreciate it.

    After all how could they not, Bonkey wishes us all to immediately jump on the train of cometing ethnic interest groups, twirling... twirling .. towards freedom!

    Again...could you stop putting words in my mouth? Alternately, show me where I said that. Indeed, if you even did a search on past postings, you would have found that I have frequently argued that immigration into Ireland (and I would apply the same logic would apply to any nation) must be limited, but that limit should not be set artificially low just to appease mono-culturalists.

    north african muslim nutters

    No stereotyping there. Nice balanced comment. Keep it up...you're impressing us all with your intelligence no end.

    jc


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