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Anti-dog sentiments increase?

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  • #32
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    DBB wrote: »
    That just might be the most adorable thing I've ever read on this forum :o
    Really?

    Giving alcohol to a dog?

    Adorable?

    Really?

    That might just be the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum...and from a forum mod no less


  • #33
    em_cat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    peasant wrote: »
    Really?

    Giving alcohol to a dog?

    Adorable?

    Really?

    That might just be the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum...and from a forum mod no less

    Ehh, a bit ott. Our lad loves them & it’s not an everyday occurrence.


  • #34
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    peasant wrote: »
    Really?

    Giving alcohol to a dog?

    Adorable?

    Really?

    That might just be the most stupid thing I've ever read on this forum...and from a forum mod no less

    Such a thundering disgrace indeed.
    Better call the guards :D


  • #35
    Cherry Blossom
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    Alcohol is toxic to dogs. I had assumed it was that special dog beer you buy in some pet shops.


  • #36
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Alcohol is toxic to all animals, including humans. A tiny amount of fluid, itself containing a small proportion of alcohol, given once in a blue moon, is hardly going to do any more harm than any other occasional "treat" people give their pets.

    To clarify, I posted in response to an image I had in my head of a small dog with a cap on his head, getting a thimble-sized "pint" of stout at the bar. I'm not particularly interested in defending that comment to anyone who fails to grasp this perspective, particularly those who drone out the hackneyed old "how dare you, you're a mod" chestnut. Once I hear that line, I'm out... I'm not playing chess with any pigeon!


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  • #37
    Dubl07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    DBB wrote: »
    Alcohol is toxic to all animals, including humans. A tiny amount of fluid, itself containing a small proportion of alcohol, given once in a blue moon, is hardly going to do any more harm than any other occasional "treat" people give their pets.

    To clarify, I posted in response to an image I had in my head of a small dog with a cap on his head, getting a thimble-sized "pint" of stout at the bar. I'm not particularly interested in defending that comment to anyone who fails to grasp this perspective, particularly those who drone out the hackneyed old "how dare you, you're a mod" chestnut. Once I hear that line, I'm out... I'm not playing chess with any pigeon!

    My spaniel lived to almost 14 despite his penchant for Baileys as a pup. He slurped about three glasses of it before we figured out why my granny was going through it so quickly. She was setting her glass on the floor and he was sneakily imbibing. Not a bother on him. He also enjoyed an occasional saucer of lager or cider on a summer's day.


  • #38
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    DBB wrote: »
    To clarify, I posted in response to an image I had in my head of a small dog with a cap on his head, getting a thimble-sized "pint" of stout at the bar.

    And that's exactly all that's wrong with this forum lately...adorable dogs with caps and coats and thimble sized crap.
    If you are a responsible dog owner and don't want to spay or neuter your dog, you get strips ripped out of you...but if you put a cap on it and give it beer, you're adorable
    DBB wrote: »
    I'm not particularly interested in defending that comment to anyone who fails to grasp this perspective, particularly those who drone out the hackneyed old "how dare you, you're a mod" chestnut. Once I hear that line, I'm out... I'm not playing chess with any pigeon!
    You don't have to defend that comment against me...I couldn't care less personally :D
    But please defend your so called perspective in light of all the poor anthropomorphized dogs out there that have to wear silly costumes, perform stupid tricks, live in handbags, get shampooed and perfumed beyond recognition and have any dog-worthy behaviour clickered out of them with treats and a sheet metal frog.

    If beer needs to be drunk while dogs are present...then please let's have it over a respectful discussion of dogs and their real needs...and let them have water and no caps please:D


  • #39
    em_cat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    Good gracious never meant to start a mod fight, clothes on dogs is big business and tbh can make for some hilarious memes :)

    Also it’s very clear @Peasant that you’ve never lived in a house with a soaking wet Yorkie or a Chinese Crested. If you did you would understand the struggle to get them out in the rain, snow, wind...


  • #40
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    rather than drag this out, I'll just leave this here...sums up my thoughts pretty well

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109081343&postcount=3036


  • #41
    lawred2
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    Fine selection of assorted dog sh!t to avoid on the walk out to poolbeg lighthouse yesterday


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  • #42
    em_cat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    peasant wrote: »
    rather than drag this out, I'll just leave this here...sums up my thoughts pretty well

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109081343&postcount=3036

    :)


  • #43
    Tombo2001
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    My first comment on the Animals & Pet Issues forum.

    My own take is

    Its not pets. Its not dogs. Dog owners have been doing the same things that they did for years; if anything they are way better that they used to be.

    But dog owners are becoming the subject of more and more vitriol.

    Where does this occur?

    Social Media.

    And I think that's the issue - I really think society needs to take a long look at how social media is making societies more polarized and more confrontational.

    I'm a cyclist. And I feel exactly the same way about cycling as you do about owning dogs. The amount of abuse that cyclists get online is off the charts. There is a thread on boards.ie about a traveller woman who spent a night in a police cell with her kids as she was homeless - it has run to 4000 posts in 3 months, 99% of contributions vitriolic about travellers.

    Its a defining feature of politics in North America. Without social media, there is no Trump.

    I could go on and on.

    One of the first posts on this thread says:
    There wouldn't be as much anti dog feeling if owners cleaned up their dogs fecal matter, and maybe had better control.

    I have a green in front of the house. Its a place where people come to walk their dogs. I have young kids. I am watching out constantly for dog poo as its dangerous if they are playing football for example and its on the ground.

    And as a result, I can fairly confidently say because I am watching it all the time - that of the dog owners I see, the vast majority, 80%/90% clean up the mess.

    10%/20% don't, and yes that's an issue......But the problem with Social Media - as above in bold - is that when people vent, everyone gets tarred with the same brush.

    And then...
    (I) it spills into other parts of the media. Ivan Yates will start making an issue of it, or some other punter - because they know the angry mob will love it.
    (II) worse again, it spills into real life.

    To be honest, I am getting really sick of this and its turned me off sites like boards quite a bit.

    In short - dog owners, you are not the problem.


  • #44
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    I love dogs
    Not so in love with the owners.

    I'd echo some of peasant's views in that some 'adorable' things whether it's dog cloths etc can
    be borderline cruel.

    One interaction I've had stands out in my memory. We'd had a dog attack that day so I had walked up the hill to check on the flock. On my way back down I met a man walking a golden retriever, I asked him to put his dog on a lead explaining that a dog had attacked sheep earlier that day, his response was no, his dog was 5 and would never attack sheep.
    Guess what age the dog that had attacked that day yup 5


  • #45
    Cherry Blossom
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    Peasant, Please don't disrespect the forum as a whole because youve had a disagreement with one poster. I yellow carded someone for dising the forum users as a whole just the other day, frankly a mod should know better than to do this.

    With respect, the forum is whatever the majority of posters here make it. Also a lot of what you have said is blatantly untrue. I don't recall any threads on dogs wearing clothes for a very long time here. In fact I don't recall any instances of dogs being anthropomorphised lately at all outside of the instance in this thread. There is no reason why we can't have the occasional feelgood thread alongside all the serious issues that dominate this forum, and dominate it they do.


  • #46
    lawred2
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    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    My first comment on the Animals & Pet Issues forum.

    My own take is

    Its not pets. Its not dogs. Dog owners have been doing the same things that they did for years; if anything they are way better that they used to be.

    But dog owners are becoming the subject of more and more vitriol.

    Where does this occur?

    Social Media.

    And I think that's the issue - I really think society needs to take a long look at how social media is making societies more polarized and more confrontational.

    I'm a cyclist. And I feel exactly the same way about cycling as you do about owning dogs. The amount of abuse that cyclists get online is off the charts. There is a thread on boards.ie about a traveller woman who spent a night in a police cell with her kids as she was homeless - it has run to 4000 posts in 3 months, 99% of contributions vitriolic about travellers.

    Its a defining feature of politics in North America. Without social media, there is no Trump.

    I could go on and on.

    One of the first posts on this thread says:
    There wouldn't be as much anti dog feeling if owners cleaned up their dogs fecal matter, and maybe had better control.

    I have a green in front of the house. Its a place where people come to walk their dogs. I have young kids. I am watching out constantly for dog poo as its dangerous if they are playing football for example and its on the ground.

    And as a result, I can fairly confidently say because I am watching it all the time - that of the dog owners I see, the vast majority, 80%/90% clean up the mess.

    10%/20% don't, and yes that's an issue......But the problem with Social Media - as above in bold - is that when people vent, everyone gets tarred with the same brush.

    And then...
    (I) it spills into other parts of the media. Ivan Yates will start making an issue of it, or some other punter - because they know the angry mob will love it.
    (II) worse again, it spills into real life.

    To be honest, I am getting really sick of this and its turned me off sites like boards quite a bit.

    In short - dog owners, you are not the problem.

    Except the 20% that are the problem of course


  • #47
    mattser
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Except the 20% that are the problem of course

    Exactly. Akin to a classroom of 30 students where 6 of them are constantly messing ( pardon the pun ). That's a lot of trouble for the others who behave themselves.


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    <snip>

    mod: I said no rescue politics, if you persist I will remove your posting rights to this forum permanently.

    Dogs should be kept under control at all times but parents should also educate their kids about dogs and make sure that they have respect them and don't just treat a strange dog the same as their own.


  • #49
    borderlinemeath
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    mattser wrote: »
    Exactly. Akin to a classroom of 30 students where 6 of them are constantly messing ( pardon the pun ). That's a lot of trouble for the others who behave themselves.


    Except the normal thing to do is punish the 6 "messers". Detention or lines up to suspension or expulsion for the troublesome students.



    Yet in the case of dogs and owners it's punishment for all by way of bye laws for all to adhere to rather than fine and punish the problem owners.



    Your little analogy sums up just how unfairly dog owners are treated.


  • #50
    Choc Chip
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Choc Chip


    I don't know how this got onto doggy clothes, but I have an admission. You see, I used to be 100% against dogs in clothes. I thought they looked silly.

    Confession: I put waterproof coats on all my dogs today because I'm lazy and didn't want to have to clean them when I got back... One coat was actually pink. :o

    ....

    Okay, okay, I also put antlers on the terrier at Christmas time. In my defence, he looks kinda-like a miniature reindeer already though.


  • #51
    em_cat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    I love dogs in clothes!!!! There I said it & it felt good. Mr C has virtually no hair on his belly & a very thin layer on his head so yea if I want him to do his business outdoors he will be covered.


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  • #52
    Cherry Blossom
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    Poppy dressed up in a wicked witch costume and went trick or treating with the kids one year when I only had one dog. All the neighbours were off rummaging in their fridges looking for 'something for the dog'. Someone gave her half a slice of ham and she puked it up as soon as she got home.


  • #53
    Choc Chip
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Choc Chip


    em_cat wrote: »
    I love dogs in clothes!!!! There I said it & it felt good. Mr C has virtually no hair on his belly & a very thin layer on his head so yea if I want him to do his business outdoors he will be covered.


    I don't have that excuse -all mine have big heavy undercoats and when I put jackets on them it's because I'm lazy and don't want to clean / dry them. Mortified. :o


    Cherry Blossom - my dogs would totally just have wolfed the ham slice back down after vomiting it up. There are no airs and graces... or manners and hygiene in this house. They probably would have done it while wearing antlers and a pink coat...


  • #54
    Latatian
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    Dog clothes are the only way to keep my elderly girl from waking me up at 5am howling because she's cold- that or heating the house to tropical temperatures. Both dog and clothes must be regularly washed to avoid 'old dog pong' so she has an assortment. Any of ye who have old dogs do consider this- I might get heckled when in Dublin but she's sleeping better and walking for longer.


  • #55
    Tombo2001
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Except the 20% that are the problem of course

    No.

    I would reiterate - social media is the problem.

    And this is why.

    10%-20% - or in other words, a small minority - of people in society will always behave irresponsibly.

    This is going to happen for the simple reason that humans aren't robots.

    And if you cant live in a world where a small minority of
    -dog owners
    -cyclists
    -drivers
    -parents with kids in restaurants
    - Airtricity vendors
    -teachers
    -taxi drivers
    -bankers
    -waiters

    etc etc etc

    behave badly, then find a different planet.

    Because guess what - everyone who whinges about dog owners is themselves breaking the law or pissing people off in some other way.


  • #56
    tk123
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    Choc Chip wrote: »
    I don't have that excuse -all mine have big heavy undercoats and when I put jackets on them it's because I'm lazy and don't want to clean / dry them. Mortified. :o

    Oh god same. I also have a fleece for Bailey and it goes on this time of year or I think it's too damp for him. We've done a LOT of work to rehab a muscle tear he had (iliopsoas/hip flexor) so I like to have his hips and tummy covered and warm this time of year. He goes to the vet every Sunday morning for his laser so if it's wet in the park I'd have a coat/fleece/tshirt on him just so he's not manky and wet going into the vets and he gets lots of compliments :P I hated when he needed the boots because everyone would stop us on our walk asking about them and most would want to know where to get them for their own dogs who were slipping in the house etc. Was delighted to see the back of them :pac:


  • #57
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    No.

    I would reiterate - social media is the problem.

    And this is why.

    10%-20% - or in other words, a small minority - of people in society will always behave irresponsibly.

    This is going to happen for the simple reason that humans aren't robots.

    And if you cant live in a world where a small minority of
    -dog owners
    -cyclists
    -drivers
    -parents with kids in restaurants
    - Airtricity vendors
    -teachers
    -taxi drivers
    -bankers
    -waiters

    etc etc etc

    behave badly, then find a different planet.

    Because guess what - everyone who whinges about dog owners is themselves breaking the law or pissing people off in some other way.

    odd rant

    the only issue I have is with those that let their dogs sh!t wherever they like..

    but sure it's all social media's fault or something

    The amount of crap that's left unpicked in public spaces is a pity for you and those others that don't leave it but sadly it's not unheard of for the few to ruin it for the many. Sure most people would be able to coexist peacefully in a world entirely free of civil and criminal laws but unfortunately we need laws because the few always ruin it for the many. It's nothing specific to dog owners.


  • #58
    borderlinemeath
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    No.

    I would reiterate - social media is the problem.

    And this is why.

    10%-20% - or in other words, a small minority - of people in society will always behave irresponsibly.

    This is going to happen for the simple reason that humans aren't robots.

    And if you cant live in a world where a small minority of
    -dog owners
    -cyclists
    -drivers
    -parents with kids in restaurants
    - Airtricity vendors
    -teachers
    -taxi drivers
    -bankers
    -waiters

    etc etc etc

    behave badly, then find a different planet.

    Because guess what - everyone who whinges about dog owners is themselves breaking the law or pissing people off in some other way.

    odd rant

    the only issue I have is with those that let their dogs sh!t wherever they like..

    but sure it's all social media's fault or something

    The amount of crap that's left unpicked in public spaces is a pity for you and those others that don't leave it but sadly it's not unheard of for the few to ruin it for the many. Sure most people would be able to coexist peacefully in a world entirely free of civil and criminal laws but unfortunately we need laws because the few always ruin it for the many. It's nothing specific to dog owners.

    Social media allows the complainants to have a faceless rant against whatever they wish, be that dog owners, cyclists, motorists etc. They tend not to approach the problem directly but can play the victim and embellish the truth and gain sympathy and validation. Anytime anyone ever complains to me about how they are sick of off lead dogs or owners not cleaning up poo, I've asked them what they've done about it, ie asked the owner to pick it up, or call the dog warden etc. They hardly ever do, because they can be afraid of confrontation or they don't have dog.warden details to hand. It's far easier to complain online to people that can't do anything bar say "what a bast@Rd! Poor you, hope they get reported!". It snowballs into "well I know someone who was attacked by an off lead dog!, they said it looked like an Akita!" Someone tags the local councillor in the facebook rant and he runs with it, next thing he's printing posters of lists and picture of RB dogs for public areas and he ends up on the wrong end of every dog owner with his ignorance when he starts mouthing off about dangerous dogs and it goes viral. Can't quite remember how many hundreds of thousands of comments it got but he had to close it down and he ended up apologising on TV about it. So yeah, social media can cause a lot of trouble.


  • #59
    SillyMangoX
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    I have to one up ye all. I put clothes on my cat :D moose complains out in his run until I come up and put his coat on. He likes his heat :D


  • #60
    ganmo
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    this is the kind of tat i'd be concerned about

    https://www.facebook.com/royalpawspetsalon/photos/pcb.2157055017707284/2157054904373962/?type=3&theater

    the poor dogs


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  • #61
    em_cat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭em_cat


    ganmo wrote: »
    this is the kind of tat i'd be concerned about

    https://www.facebook.com/royalpawspetsalon/photos/pcb.2157055017707284/2157054904373962/?type=3&theater

    the poor dogs

    Was going to give thanks, then clicked, wished I hadn’t & promptly emptied out all gold glitter tubes... poor dogs


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