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A slice of ham in the school lunch box, is like sending them to school with 5 fags

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  • 19-01-2019 5:32pm
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    older by the day
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    Heard this on radio one today, where in the **** is the head of board bia and our icbf head or teagasc or our farmers unions, is there any one to explain how irish farming. What are we paying our subs for


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    henryporter
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    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?


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    Fann Linn
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    older by the day wrote: »
    Heard this on radio one today, where in the **** is the head of board bia and our icbf head or teagasc or our farmers unions, is there any one to explain how irish farming. What are we paying our subs for

    The IFA lad was on both tv and radio during the week on a number of occasions. However the agenda coming from on high appears to be '4 legs bad', and it is the hot topic on all stations, public and private now.

    Kinda reminds me of the public sector/ private sector debates over 10 years ago. What started off as a small kernal suddenly snowballed.

    I'll hazard a guess and say that the Sindo and the other rags will be cover to cover with so called 'experts' denigrating meat and espousing the value of 'legumes'. Heard that one a few times today.

    Agenda being pushed now for increased carbon taxes and for the farmers to be taken on.


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    LeinsterDub
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    henryporter wrote: »
    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?

    That's a false equivalence. Nuts have cyanide in them but you wouldn't call them poison


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    coolshannagh28
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    The IFA lad was on both tv and radio during the week on a number of occasions. However the agenda coming from on high appears to be '4 legs bad', and it is the hot topic on all stations, public and private now.

    Kinda reminds me of the public sector/ private sector debates over 10 years ago. What started off as a small kernal suddenly snowballed.

    I'll hazard a guess and say that the Sindo and the other rags will be cover to cover with so called 'experts' denigrating meat and espousing the value of 'legumes'. Heard that one a few times today.

    Agenda being pushed now for increased carbon taxes and for the farmers to be taken on.

    All as a result of a government which didn't bother its arse about the 2020 carbon targets till it was too late and is now planning to stick the agri sector with the bill .


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    judeboy101
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    henryporter wrote: »
    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?

    Maybe say that correlation does not equal causation?


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    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    coolshannagh28 wrote: »
    All as a result of a government which didn't bother its arse about the 2020 carbon targets till it was too late and is now planning to stick the agri sector with the bill .

    Exactly. FG afraid to implement anything and now it's getting too late. Sooner or later they are going to have to grasp the nettle.


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    yosser hughes
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    Some background on this 'study'. The Lancet is not the publication it once was and this will ultimately damage its credibility. However this is a cause du jour amongst lefty media types.
    It does need to be challenged more forcefully

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/globe-trotting-billionaire-behind-campaign-13872067?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


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    Farmer
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    henryporter wrote: »
    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?

    But why blame either the hard pressed housewife/mother or the farmer. Make the processors/supermarkets sort it out. It's not us that are adding the nitrites


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    Say my name
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    yosser hughes wrote: »
    Some background on this 'study'. The Lancet is not the publication it once was and this will ultimately damage its credibility. However this is a cause du jour amongst lefty media types.
    It does need to be challenged more forcefully

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/globe-trotting-billionaire-behind-campaign-13872067?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

    This was floating around last week from the European Food Agency.
    https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

    It's a pity our esteemed Irish media never received this before Lancet dropped a newsdump on their desks.


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    Grueller
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    Say my name wrote: »
    This was floating around last week from the European Food Agency.
    https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

    It's a pity our esteemed Irish media never received this before Lancet dropped a newsdump on their desks.

    The conclusion there contains the big issue for climate change. RAMPANT CONSUMERISM.


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    have2flushtwice
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    henryporter wrote: »
    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?

    So is farm to fork not worth anything? Where are the chemicals introduced?
    We have one if the best tracing systems in the world with a quality approval system to match it.

    If it is the equivalent of five fags i'd be I'd be dead a long time ago. I'm eating ham sambos since I'm five years old and I'm perfectly healthy according to my last nct.

    Can't beat the ham sambos. If you were ever cutting hay and the missus arrives in the Ford Sierra with the tae and ham sambos you would ate them alive sitting on the wheel of the baler.

    I remember going to the mart as a young lad and the highlight was going upstairs to the canteen and having the ould ham sambos. White bread, mistard and salt and vinegar crisps all packed into that sambo. Would keep ya going for the day. Them women knew how to lay on a feed and if ya wanted a few more bits she would throw them in, and no extra charge unlike today. There was some ****e on the walls of that place but nobody noticed cos the food and craic was pure mighty.


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    Cattlepen
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    Say my name wrote: »
    This was floating around last week from the European Food Agency.
    https://www.efanews.eu/item/6053

    It's a pity our esteemed Irish media never received this before Lancet dropped a newsdump on their desks.

    Well spotted sir. This whole lancet article is fueled by an agenda. The minute I saw world wildlife fund mentioned I just guffawed. The biggest bleedin’ heart organization since the sweepstakes.
    Cheap ham is **** all the same. But so are cheap wines, cheap household solvents etc. I think there is an orchestrated plan to throw livestock farming under the bus and make it more uneconomical than it already is so that we cut down and the powers that be can cook the books and statistics with regard to emissions and green house gases. That will pacify the mob and leave bigger culprits like air travel and dirty industries off the hook for 10 years or so. The timing of it all suits. There is some power in the media


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    elperello
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Exactly. FG afraid to implement anything and now it's getting too late. Sooner or later they are going to have to grasp the nettle.

    They should grasp it and make soup.
    Seriously it is delicious and very good for you.
    Get planting now :)

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/outdoors/gardening/treat-yourself-tosome-delicious-nettle-soup-393585.html


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    The Rabbi
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    A few days ago the EAT report was printed in the Lancet.It then became the EAT-Lancet report,now the RTE hacks are referring to it as the Lancet comission.Then the Taoiseach for fear of upsetting the voters inside the pale said he was cutting back on his meat intake.And there was me thinking he liked to get his hands on meat and two veg.


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    _Brian
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    Highly processed foods, including meats should be minimised or avoided.

    We don’t buy sliced ham for lunches, we cook a small ham and slice it at home. The kids prefer it to sliced ham, it just takes a bit more effort.

    Mostly we have hams from pigs we reared and slaughtered ourselves.

    Same for sausages, we “try” to keep it to once a week.


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    vandriver
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    The Rabbi wrote: »
    A few days ago the EAT report was printed in the Lancet.It then became the EAT-Lancet report,now the RTE hacks are referring to it as the Lancet comission.Then the Taoiseach for fear of upsetting the voters inside the pale said he was cutting back on his meat intake.And there was me thinking he liked to get his hands on meat and two veg.
    Describe in your own words how snide homophobic digs advances your argument.


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    Flippyfloppy
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    The Rabbi wrote: »
    Then the Taoiseach for fear of upsetting the voters inside the pale said he was cutting back on his meat intake.And there was me thinking he liked to get his hands on meat and two veg.

    Is that how your mind works? Seriously?


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    Say my name
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    Since we have attracted a few vegans and townies who haven't a clue how soil or diet or anything works but always seem to be constantly outraged and gleefully telling us country bumpkins what to do.

    Let me post a link to a truthful insight into the Lancet report on diet.


    https://sustainabledish.com/20-ways-eat-lancets-global-diet-is-wrongfully-vilifying-meat/

    Posters could also send on this link to various politicians and namely an Taoiseach.


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    Wanderer78
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    Say my name wrote:
    Let me post a link to a truthful insight into the Lancet report on diet.


    'Truth', does it actually exist, or are we just being bombarded with information from all sides, each with their own agendas attached?


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    Markcheese
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    In a way irish farming, and Bord bia Could probably jump on this... Low input beef and dairy... To be marketed at a premium...(although that's kind of the niche organics fills, and its already a trusted brand)
    (We're not exactly a major tillage power, what's grown here is mainly for animal feed and booze..)
    But ultimately, farmers will follow the money,
    Most aren't ideologicaly attached to sucklers, or dairy or tillage, they want to work for a living...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    cute geoge
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Highly processed foods, including meats should be minimised or avoided.

    We don’t buy sliced ham for lunches, we cook a small ham and slice it at home. The kids prefer it to sliced ham, it just takes a bit more effort.

    Mostly we have hams from pigs we reared and slaughtered ourselves.

    Same for sausages, we “try” to keep it to once a week.

    Every one will agree processed foods should be avoided but not many working people have time for cooking hams,homemade bread or even healthy breakfast !!
    For instance it takes me 20 minutes per day just to cook porridge for the family if you include washing up after .I just get up 20 minutes earlier in the morning but my day could easily be taking up preparing home cooked meals.Instead i end up buying sliced pans,packaged ham,3 for €10 packed meats on offer in supermarket .I am not a millonaire ,I do the best i can to eat healthy .I have seen plenty of people who ate nothing but wholesome organic foods,never drank or smoke still die of cancer so is all this over the top healthy eating really worth a damn at the end of the day


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    elperello
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    Just a few ideas, there is a lot more on line if you look.

    Cheaper cuts.
    Slow cooker.
    Batch cooking.
    Deep freeze.


    Even if you are not doing it for health or environmental reasons home cooking is actually easier on the pocket.


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    Dinzee Conlee
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    cute geoge wrote: »
    Every one will agree processed foods should be avoided but not many working people have time for cooking hams,homemade bread or even healthy breakfast !!
    For instance it takes me 20 minutes per day just to cook porridge for the family if you include washing up after .I just get up 20 minutes earlier in the morning but my day could easily be taking up preparing home cooked meals.Instead i end up buying sliced pans,packaged ham,3 for €10 packed meats on offer in supermarket .I am not a millonaire ,I do the best i can to eat healthy .I have seen plenty of people who ate nothing but wholesome organic foods,never drank or smoke still die of cancer so is all this over the top healthy eating really worth a damn at the end of the day

    I think you have to do the best you can - just cos you know someone who smoked and lived til 90, and someone who ran marathons who does at 40 shouldn’t make you less or more healthy...there will always be exceptions...

    Whatever about healthy eating, one thing I know I don’t get enough of is sleep... I think decent sleep every night is as important as diet.


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    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    'Truth', does it actually exist, or are we just being bombarded with information from all sides, each with their own agendas attached?

    Nope, truth doesn't exist. I'm including a link to a nutrient analysis of the diet recommended by that body.
    https://www.foodandfarmingfutures.co.uk/PrestoMobile#/details/ZWVhNzBlY2QtZWJjNi00YWZiLWE1MTAtNWExOTFiMjJjOWU1LjE4MzM3
    You'd imagine after all that time and effort in producing a report on diet, the most basic aspect of diet, does it contain sufficient nutrients to feed those following it, would have been foremost in their mind?

    Obviously not.


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    nagel
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    back in september they published this , good old butter and dairy,
    They must have got a new veggie lover on board,
    Linky https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-09/tl-tld091018.php


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    Farmer
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    Here's a link to a twitter conversation around some waffle printed in the Irish examiner yesterday. While editors allow this to happen, there is no hope

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ShaneMcAuliffe1/status/1086672542163763201


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    Benny Biscotti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Benny Biscotti


    This is the #metoo movement vegan version.


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    Joe Daly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Joe Daly


    I be of an age when a bottle of tea was sent out the field to you and finger marks on the turnover you ate it because you were so hungry trying to get bailing done etc, I had tests done last week got the doctor report back all clear moderation of eating, drinking, etc means a lot if you are lucky enough to get away with a clean bill of health is a bonus when you hit middle age.


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    turfin
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    henryporter wrote: »
    Maybe you would be better reading up on the facts rather than a knee jerk denial - it's well know for years that the chemicals used in ham processing are carcinogenic - ergo yes, ham is the equivalent of cigarettes. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

    What exactly would you like Bord Bia or the IFA to say in defense of the indefensible?

    That Guardian article relates to discredited “epidemiological“ studies which are based on bad data and show associations not causation. This association vs causation seems to be one of the most insurmountable cognitive challenges, some (maybe most) people just cannot see the difference. Vested interests such as processed food industry, vegans lobbyists and more use these nonsense studies to promote their own agenda.


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    _Brian
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    cute geoge wrote: »
    Every one will agree processed foods should be avoided but not many working people have time for cooking hams,homemade bread or even healthy breakfast !!
    For instance it takes me 20 minutes per day just to cook porridge for the family if you include washing up after .I just get up 20 minutes earlier in the morning but my day could easily be taking up preparing home cooked meals.Instead i end up buying sliced pans,packaged ham,3 for €10 packed meats on offer in supermarket .I am not a millonaire ,I do the best i can to eat healthy .I have seen plenty of people who ate nothing but wholesome organic foods,never drank or smoke still die of cancer so is all this over the top healthy eating really worth a damn at the end of the day

    We both work and two school going kids.

    Porridge two mornings min amd it takes maybe 5 minutes in microwave. Washing up, everything needs washing up, dishwasher does that.

    Fresh bread every day, either bread maker or in the oven depending on what we want, done night before.

    Ham into the slow cooker the evening before it’s needed and it’s cool ready to cut in the morning.

    It’s very possible to eat well and be busy, it just takes planning and effort, people convince themselves it isn’t possible so they don’t have to try.


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