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Rock Lesnar · 15-01-2019 08:34PM

They can strap whatever they like to Balor and think they'll push him there and everywhere, he is not beating Brock in my opinion, and i doubt he'll face him at Mania either, this is just a move to keep fans happy so that the fans can say oh look, its Balor in a ppv main event, maybe they are listening after all.

Lord TSC · 15-01-2019 09:15PM

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

They can strap whatever they like to Balor and think they'll push him there and everywhere, he is not beating Brock in my opinion, and i doubt he'll face him at Mania either, this is just a move to keep fans happy so that the fans can say oh look, its Balor in a ppv main event, maybe they are listening after all.

I mean, I'll take being pandered to over being told to shut up and accept Baron Corbin in the main event :pac:

CastorTroy · 15-01-2019 09:38PM

So Vince provokes AJ into hitting him and is happy about it, yet punishes Strowman for what he did.

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-01-2019 10:27PM

No doubt this will be an unpopular opinion but I really hate the Balor/Brock match-up.

Balor weighs something like 190 pounds and realistically belongs in the Cruiserweight Division. Brock ought to absolutely smash him as he would in real life. For Brock to take any offence from Balor just hurts Brock imo.

It's just not believable, paint or no paint. It's the equivalent of Vader having a competitive match with the 1-2-3 kid. Or Kane in '02 having a competitive match with The Hurricane. It's a joke tbh.

Brock has smashed Cena and Orton in the past and has beaten Goldberg. He's a legit dangerous man. He should not be selling Balor's offence and as much as I like Finn, he needs to be brutalized and beaten in a one-sided contest.

GSPfan · 15-01-2019 10:51PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

No doubt this will be an unpopular opinion but I really hate the Balor/Brock match-up.

Balor weighs something like 190 pounds and realistically belongs in the Cruiserweight Division. Brock ought to absolutely smash him as he would in real life. For Brock to take any offence from Balor just hurts Brock imo.

It's just not believable, paint or no paint. It's the equivalent of Vader having a competitive match with the 1-2-3 kid. Or Kane in '02 having a competitive match with The Hurricane. It's a joke tbh.

Brock has smashed Cena and Orton in the past and has beaten Goldberg. He's a legit dangerous man. He should not be selling Balor's offence and as much as I like Finn, he needs to be brutalized and beaten in a one-sided contest.

And what if Braun comes down and interferes on behalf of Finn? Sets up a Braun v Brock WM or Elimination Chamber match?

Finn goes on with the title while Braun and Brock are distracted.

Loughc · 15-01-2019 10:55PM

GSPfan wrote: »

And what if Braun comes down and interferes on behalf of Finn? Sets up a Braun v Brock WM or Elimination Chamber match?

Finn goes on with the title while Braun and Brock are distracted.

That’s a good shout.

You could also have the club interfering or Heyman turning on Brock. There’s plenty of ways around it.

Also Lesnar put Eddie over like a million dollars and he was a former cruiserweight.

J. Marston · 15-01-2019 10:57PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

No doubt this will be an unpopular opinion but I really hate the Balor/Brock match-up.

Balor weighs something like 190 pounds and realistically belongs in the Cruiserweight Division. Brock ought to absolutely smash him as he would in real life. For Brock to take any offence from Balor just hurts Brock imo.

It's just not believable, paint or no paint. It's the equivalent of Vader having a competitive match with the 1-2-3 kid. Or Kane in '02 having a competitive match with The Hurricane. It's a joke tbh.

Brock has smashed Cena and Orton in the past and has beaten Goldberg. He's a legit dangerous man. He should not be selling Balor's offence and as much as I like Finn, he needs to be brutalized and beaten in a one-sided contest.

To you, maybe. What about Brock's matches with Bryan and AJ? Both guys on the smaller side and both had great matches with Lesnar that engaged the live crowds and had them believing an upset could happen.

Compare that with recent matches against large guys. Brock had a triple threat with Kane and Braun, two giants, and stunk the place out. Another stinker against Braun on his own. A decent if not forgettable match with Joe. I think one of the Roman/Brock matches is considered good, the rest were widely shat on with people not giving a shíte regardless of size and believable offense.

Size doesn't matter....or so I've heard.

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-01-2019 11:55PM

J. Marston wrote: »

To you, maybe. What about Brock's matches with Bryan and AJ? Both guys on the smaller side and both had great matches with Lesnar that engaged the live crowds and had them believing an upset could happen.

Compare that with recent matches against large guys. Brock had a triple threat with Kane and Braun, two giants, and stunk the place out. Another stinker against Braun on his own. A decent if not forgettable match with Joe. I think one of the Roman/Brock matches is considered good, the rest were widely shat on with people not giving a sh regardless of size and believable offense.

Size doesn't matter....or so I've heard.

Yes, to me. I hated his matches with those guys you mentioned and you can add Punk in there too. Big Show made the point recently in a radio interview when he said he had to tell Braun to stop taking bumps for Sami Zayn as he was hurting his own aura. Monsters should not be selling for cruiserweights.

Not sure what the quality of Brock's matches has to anything either. This is about basic psychology and that super heavyweights should not be selling for cruiserweights. And before I get the usual shtick of 'It's Real to Me' gifs and 'you know this is fake, right?' Yes I'm aware but there is a limit to what you expect the audience to buy. Otherwise you might as well have the women in there having competitive matches with the men. Becky Lynch in a competitive match with Daniel Bryan, would that be a good idea? Show the world how progressive the WWE is? Maybe put some paint on her and that will make it believable.

Lord TSC · 16-01-2019 12:26AM

If they present Finn as someone capable of going toe to toe with Brock physically, it would be bad booking.

But professional wrestling is built utterly on the idea of the underdog squaring off against monsters. Wrestling fans are conditioned to the idea of smaller guys using wits, speed and athletic abilities to be competitive against bigger men. Otherwise, the likes of Bryan, styles, HBk, Bret, Mysterio...none of them would have careers and the titles lineage would just be super heavyweight after super heavyweight.

I accept it’s a valid personal opinion. It’s just one I think doesn’t gel with the core tenant of pro-wrestling; that David vs Goliath is a tale as old as time, and people will buy into the plucky underdog quicker, far quicker, than hoss matches.

CastorTroy · 16-01-2019 12:42AM

So I assume the IC title was taken by Lashley so it's not part of the Rollins/Ambrose feud, but who will fight him? Elias?

Mr.Nice Guy · 16-01-2019 01:04AM

I'm not aware of a comparable match in history to Finn Balor vs Brock Lesnar in terms of a sub 200 pound guy being presented in a serious way against a man of Brock's size.

Matches involving Rey vs Brock or Big Show were always done in terms of a comedic-type match where Rey would survive for a bit, scooting away, hopping down etc. In other words it was letting you the viewer know that this is not a competitive affair. Rey would show a bit of heart and fight and then ultimately get smashed in the end. If that's the way Balor vs Brock is booked, fair enough. I'll take that. If, however, it's presented in a way where the cruiserweight goes toe to toe with a monster, getting near-falls left and right, it will enter farcical territory. And it will do Brock no favours.

Hell, Balor looks small next to Rollins.

I don't want him being competitive, nevermind actually defeating, a great monster like Brock.

I think when the two of them have a face-off it will become apparent what a mismatch this is. I just hope that's reflected in the contest itself and that Brock wins it quickly and decisively.

J. Marston · 16-01-2019 01:08AM

I know next week is the go-home show and they've only got one Raw to promote Brock vs Finn but I hope they can do it without putting Finn up against Heyman in a promo. That is asking for trouble.

CastorTroy wrote: »

So I assume the IC title was taken by Lashley so it's not part of the Rollins/Ambrose feud, but who will fight him? Elias?

Returning KO or Sami?

Loughc · 16-01-2019 01:18AM

J. Marston wrote: »

Returning KO or Sami?

Makes sense as Lashley put them both on the shelf as such.

GSPfan · 16-01-2019 01:31AM

I’m ok with any scenario that gets the belt off Lesnar.

PTH2009 · 16-01-2019 03:49AM

CastorTroy wrote: »

Cena to endorse Sheamus next?

He already done it a few years ago lol

https://youtu.be/469gTd7HSY0

HandsomeBob · 16-01-2019 08:37AM

For me the big man schtick at this stage is utterly redundant unless you have a rareified talent, and even then it would have a limited shelf life before things would have to be shaken up. I mean look at how many times Show flipped between face and heel as an example. I'd compare it to why streaks don't really work as well.

There's simply no way of sustaining a run like that unless something new is brought to the table and I can guarantee people would have been more entertained by Braun bumping for Sami than had he done the opposite and sold nothing. You could say Sami shouldn't have been put in the ring at all with him but if that's the argument then it significantly limits who you could put in the rings with Braun.....and within that pool match quality would be elusive.

Cotts72 · 17-01-2019 10:50AM

So anyone reckon sasha is taking the title at the rumble? Surely becky or charlotte will intefere to screw over ronda

beakerjoe · 17-01-2019 11:52AM

Cotts72 wrote: »

So anyone reckon sasha is taking the title at the rumble? Surely becky or charlotte will intefere to screw over ronda

WWE have afew options of which way they will go.

I cant see Rousey taking a lose on the road to Wrestlemania myself, but its not impossible.

I imagine they will keep her unbeaten going into Mania at least.

If she is going to lose the title at Rumble, it wont be clean.

The Nal · 17-01-2019 11:54AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

WWE have afew options of which way they will go.

I cant see Rousey taking a lose on the road to Wrestlemania myself, but its not impossible.

I imagine they will keep her unbeaten going into Mania at least.

If she is going to lose the title at Rumble, it wont be clean.

Shes keeping the title till Mania, dropping to Charlotte and retiring apparently.

beakerjoe · 17-01-2019 11:59AM

The Nal wrote: »

Shes keeping the title till Mania, dropping to Charlotte and retiring apparently.

The most obvious WWE route.

Flair is the Roman Reigns of the Womens Division.

The Nal · 17-01-2019 12:07PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

The most obvious WWE route.

Flair is the Roman Reigns of the Womens Division.

Shes fantastic though. One of the best in ring performers about.

J. Marston · 17-01-2019 01:16PM

Charlotte deserves the accolades, although maybe not every one of them. She started the latest out of the four horsewomen and has surpassed each of them handily in the ring. Talent, plus her family name plus being a tall gorgeous blonde will always make her the pet project.

Can never buy her as a face though, everything about her character is smug. The Queen, genetically superior, natural selection etc. They'll have an even harder time pushing her as a face than they did with Roman, if that is what they are planning.

HandsomeBob · 17-01-2019 01:19PM

If Ronda does retire you might as well get rid of her two mates in NXT. Only one very tenuous reason to keep them around but if it isn't happening they're useless.

Baszler will be fine regardless.

beakerjoe · 17-01-2019 01:20PM

The Nal wrote: »

Shes fantastic though. One of the best in ring performers about.

Oh I didnt mean it as a knock, but shes the one WWE appear to be backing above all others the last 2 years.

SlickRic · 17-01-2019 01:25PM

if they pushed Charlotte solidly as a heel, then she'd be just about the best thing on WWE I reckon.

the problem is, the fúcking idiots don't believe in faces and heels or good versus evil anymore, so what you get is some weird version of a babyface that's as smug as they day is long.

just have her tell everyone how genetically superior she is to them, have her be better than everyone in the ring but invariably eek out wins against the faces. same as her father. easy.

WWE have to 'tell a story' though. so we have to put up with the nonsensical, insulting bullshthey give us.

TimesArrow · 17-01-2019 05:27PM

is it too simplistic to say that the Balor push is to fend off any potential interest from AEW??

On a side note, this week Talk is Jericho gives an interesting insight/perspective of how he came to sign for them

sky88 · 17-01-2019 06:03PM

The Nal wrote: »

Shes fantastic though. One of the best in ring performers about.

as is roman reigns.

but yet both fall down in character, promos and too much push (not their fault)

i do think charlotte is the best big match performer in wwe

CastorTroy · 21-01-2019 06:41PM

So the everyone in the ring throwing each other over the top rope to happen tonight and tomorrow? Men tonight and women tomorrow?

Rock Lesnar · 21-01-2019 07:24PM

CastorTroy wrote: »

So the everyone in the ring throwing each other over the top rope to happen tonight and tomorrow? Men tonight and women tomorrow?

and whoever is left standing, will probably not be winning their rumble match

PTH2009 · 21-01-2019 10:25PM

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

and whoever is left standing, will probably not be winning their rumble match

Que a returning angry Braun Strowman

Are Finn and Brock having a stand off tonight ??? If so Finn will come out of it looking strong which is an indication he's deff not winning Sunday

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