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Build to let developments - good planning?

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  • #32
    The Student
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭The Student


    ohlordy wrote: »
    The right to remain in a tenancy is not under discussion.
    This is not about being able to stay for a long time, it is about the fact that people do not currently stay, the average duration being 18 months

    I suspect the reason people don't stay for long is because we have a relatively new rental market, it is a cultural shift for people to think of rental as a long term housing solution.

    Continental Europe have longer average tenancies because renting is a cultural norm, the rental sector is more mature as it has been in operation a lot longer than it has in Ireland.

    We still have the idea that everybody should have a three bed semi. We don't even want to accept living and raising families in apartments let alone that people may have to rent for life. We seem to see the apartments as a transition to a three bed semi and a "home for life".


  • #33
    mdebets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭mdebets


    ohlordy wrote: »
    The question I am asking has zero to do with anti-social issues within social housing estates. It is about the potential to develop a settled community within a new town if a high proportion of units in the town are rental only and, without a tradition of long term renting, will likely mean many residents will only be temporary.
    But you also have no tradition of long term apartment living either, so everyone who buys an aprtment today as owner occupier, will most likely renting out this apartment in a few years time, because he has moved on.


  • #34
    mdebets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭mdebets


    The Student wrote: »
    I suspect the reason people don't stay for long is because we have a relatively new rental market, it is a cultural shift for people to think of rental as a long term housing solution.

    Continental Europe have longer average tenancies because renting is a cultural norm, the rental sector is more mature as it has been in operation a lot longer than it has in Ireland.
    But if you want to emulate the renting sector from Continental Europe, you need more than just a cultural shift.
    You need apartments with proper sound insulation and more storage room.
    A tenant needs to be allowed to redecorate the apartment (painting walls in the colour you like, putting nails into walls, etc).
    And you need to make the legislation more tenant-friendly. You need to get rid of the part 4 break clause after 6 years. Part 4 should be of indefinite length, with the existing break.clauses. You need to give tenants the right to reduce the rent, if the landlord does nöt perform his duties (like fast repairs). The right of a LL to evict a tenant for renovations should also be more tightly controlled, so that it can't be used to evict a tenant, the landlord just want to get rid of.


  • #35
    The Student
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭The Student


    mdebets wrote: »
    But if you want to emulate the renting sector from Continental Europe, you need more than just a cultural shift.
    You need apartments with proper sound insulation and more storage room.
    A tenant needs to be allowed to redecorate the apartment (painting walls in the colour you like, putting nails into walls, etc).
    And you need to make the legislation more tenant-friendly. You need to get rid of the part 4 break clause after 6 years. Part 4 should be of indefinite length, with the existing break.clauses. You need to give tenants the right to reduce the rent, if the landlord does nöt perform his duties (like fast repairs). The right of a LL to evict a tenant for renovations should also be more tightly controlled, so that it can't be used to evict a tenant, the landlord just want to get rid of.

    You will get these as the number of build to rent increase. You can't force a small landlord to follow this model.


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