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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Bret Hart


    Silly appointment.This has turned us into more of a laughing stock then we already are.
    Did they not see what he done at Cardiff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    I just can't see the decision making behind Solskjaer - I can't see from a management perspective what he has shown he will bring to the club this season. I can't see it likely the Solskjaer is a guy they've been tracking, reviewing, researching for such a role at the club. It is, imo, very worrying that he has been brought in, and so quickly. I don't see how this is a million miles better than just leaving it to Carrick and McKenna, unless the reason they've not been given it is because the club consider them as future bets and don't want to gamble tarnishing them now - while not particularly caring about Solskjaer's rep after this 6 months.

    Maybe the club feel Poch is the man, and that they can 100% do it in the summer - but I feel there would good moves we could have made now instead of writing off this season on a gamble in the summer. THis season may already be done, but had we got Jardim in, for example, he could have had a half season with the squad and know exactly what he wants in the summer. Now, we will make no use of the January window - and with Poch MAYBE coming in during the summer we will likely have done no proper transfer work leading to the summer meaning we get F all done then too, in a short window.

    I can see this continuing to be a disaster, well into next season, cause even if we do get Poch, it likely won't be quick - and the later it goes in to the summer the less time we have to bring in the players when we don't even know who Poch will want.

    Apparently McKenna and Carrick don’t hold their UEFA Pro Licence and that’s why neither can take over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    DM_7 wrote: »
    Why not extend a manager, by one year, who at the time was making some progress and looking to stay on. Just like a player, the contract would become an issue if it entered the final year. It is not like he got a 5 year extension.
    Wait, what are we arguing here? You think that the board has a contingency plan in place for losing Mourinho 3 months into the season? I fail to see how any of this, including turning to a former player managing in a pub league, shows that they had any inkling that this was on the cards. They even let it go on too long this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,288 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sorry but appointing Solskjaer as an interim has to be someone's idea of a bad joke. Hopefully that's why it got deleted so quickly.

    Loved the guy as a player, but that's no reason to appoint him - there's any number of ex-United legends who are atrocious at management.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Bret Hart wrote: »
    Silly appointment.This has turned us into more of a laughing stock then we already are.
    Did they not see what he done at Cardiff.

    You mean a laughing stock for the supporters of a club that's won one trophie in over 10 years.

    Could be worse we can easily deal with that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭hognef


    I just can't see the decision making behind Solskjaer - I can't see from a management perspective what he has shown he will bring to the club this season. I can't see it likely the Solskjaer is a guy they've been tracking, reviewing, researching for such a role at the club. It is, imo, very worrying that he has been brought in, and so quickly. I don't see how this is a million miles better than just leaving it to Carrick and McKenna, unless the reason they've not been given it is because the club consider them as future bets and don't want to gamble tarnishing them now - while not particularly caring about Solskjaer's rep after this 6 months.

    Solskjær has seven years of actual management experience (plus three years with the United reserves). McKenna and Carrick's combined total at first team level is ~12 months as joint assistant managers (or whatever their titles were), likely without much responsibility to speak of.

    As talented as McKenna is meant to be, and as much as I think Carrick might have a management future, I think it's obvious that Solskjær brings more to the table than them. Being that bit older also is an advantage in my opinion, as he doesn't have a history of playing with any of the current team (he has indeed managed one or two of them in the past).

    I'm by no means expecting it, but I think there's some chance that Solskjær might even become a longer term solution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Sorry but appointing Solskjaer as an interim has to be someone's idea of a bad joke. Hopefully that's why it got deleted so quickly.

    Loved the guy as a player, but that's no reason to appoint him - there's any number of ex-United legends who are atrocious at management.

    Whats the big deal here?

    Are United the first club to appoint an inexperienced manager interim?

    I'm not masive fan of ole as a manager and I don't like phelan since his carry on after leaving the club but if the club have plans to put a structure In place to look after the football side of things and want to get that in place before giving another manger a full term contract then whats the problem?

    Who do we put in charge instead? I'd like jardim but maybe he didn't want a short term contract sane with blanc I couldn't see him coming on for 5 months. There ain't many managers out there that would be prepared to do that I think it's the right decision if it's short term and while putting bigger plans in place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Whats the big deal here?

    Are United the first club to appoint an inexperienced manager interim?

    I'm not masive fan of ole as a manager and I don't like phelan since his carry on after leaving the club but if the club have plans to put a structure In place to look after the football side of things and want to get that in place before giving another manger a full term contract then whats the problem?

    Who do we put in charge instead? I'd like jardim but maybe he didn't want a short term contract sane with blanc I couldn't see him coming on for 5 months. There ain't many managers out there that would be prepared to do that I think it's the right decision if it's short term and while putting bigger plans in place.


    I struggle to think of Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc appointing an inexperienced interim manager for such a long period.

    I know Barca do it but it’s a different ball game there, you really just need to get along with Messi as the team doesn’t need much managing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sorry but appointing Solskjaer as an interim has to be someone's idea of a bad joke..

    What does it matter if it's only for the rest of the season? Tbf, if there's any hassle prising him away from Molde, I don't see why they're bothering. If the season is a write-off anyway, give it to Carrick or whoever is handiest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    I struggle to think of Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc appointing an inexperienced interim manager for such a long period.

    I know Barca do it but it’s a different ball game there, you really just need to get along with Messi as the team doesn’t need much managing.

    Chelsea did it with Di Matteo. Won a CL and all. Did it with Avram Grant too.

    Pool did it with Kenny. It obviously not ideal, but this is the **** that happens when you sack a manager mid season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Interesting titbit, wouldn't Pogba and Solskjaer have worked together in the reserves back in the day?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    I struggle to think of Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc appointing an inexperienced interim manager for such a long period.

    I know Barca do it but it’s a different ball game there, you really just need to get along with Messi as the team doesn’t need much managing.

    Has happened plenty if times most notable at Chelsea.

    I'm behind it if they restructure the club I've no problems. This season is pretty much a right off anyway unless the players have been conning the fans they are not good enough to claw back the gap to top four.

    Get ole in get the football structure in place then pick the new long term manager and put the plans on place to build the club and team around him it has to be done the way the club has been going is ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    ericzeking wrote: »
    Interesting titbit, wouldn't Pogba and Solskjaer have worked together in the reserves back in the day?

    Yep and Jessie. Ole was working with that team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭bassy


    di matteo was bought in at chelsea and went on to win the champions league that season.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    I'd say we will see a 9am announcement


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    astradave wrote: »
    I'd say we will see a 9am announcement

    Malaysian local time.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Malaysian local time.

    Oh forgot the stock exchange wont be open at either of those times



    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    I struggle to think of Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc appointing an inexperienced interim manager for such a long period.

    I know Barca do it but it’s a different ball game there, you really just need to get along with Messi as the team doesn’t need much managing.

    Real Madrid have literally done it this season with Solari. Come summer time he's gone, only appointed as full time coach because: "Spanish Football Association (RFEF) rules only allow clubs 14 days' grace before demanding that they 'stick or twist' on caretaker coaches. "

    Chelsea had Hiddink from same period until the end of season when Mourinho was sacked. Also did it with Di Matteo as someone mentioned. Kenny Daglish was brought back in (after about 10 years out of football) as a temporary measure that was extended a season and won their last trophy with them.

    Don't get all the doom and gloom regarding Solskjaer, it's a free hit as Daniel Harris said and to be honest I'd rather just try and enjoy the football for the rest of the season and there's little expected. Long enough have we been watching absolute dross week in week out going back to the days of Moyes. Every week has been hard work to watch. We need something to get a bit of life back into the club and the team.

    Edit: also with regards lack of experience - Zizou had two years at Real Madrid B', was given the main job in January on a two-year deal which would have been ripped up had he failed come end of season. Turned them around. I'm not saying anything is a given or Ole will even get close to that, but I'm more optimistic about the caretaker role Solskjaer will do than sitting watching the inevitable crash and burn with Mourinho all season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,073 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    I can't for the life of me understand why Roy Keane has not been given the job. Would sort every player out with his man management skills and his time as Ireland coach shows his style of play is easy on the eye . Not to mention a club legend like ols


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    I can't for the life of me understand why Roy Keane has not been given the job. Would sort every player out with his man management skills and his time as Ireland coach shows his style of play is easy on the eye . Not to mention a club legend like ols

    Paul Ince was actually seriously promoting the idea of Bruce or Hughes earlier today. :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    I can't for the life of me understand why Roy Keane has not been given the job. Would sort every player out with his man management skills and his time as Ireland coach shows his style of play is easy on the eye . Not to mention a club legend like ols

    Reported!!! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,408 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Dail Mail saying Pogba will be fined for his "disrespectful tweet". Must not be buying the Adidas promo team's excuse...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6509449/Manchester-United-fine-Paul-Pogba-star-posted-disrespectful-image-social-media.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭Econ__


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Dail Mail saying Pogba will be fined for his "disrespectful tweet". Must not be buying the Adidas promo team's excuse...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6509449/Manchester-United-fine-Paul-Pogba-star-posted-disrespectful-image-social-media.html

    Chris Wheeler? The Daily Mail?

    Might be a good idea to wait for a source that begins to approach semi-reputable status before even taking any notice...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭v3ttel


    It's a free shot at this point. We've a very slim chance of getting top 4 and have nothing to lose. If it does go badly, at least it's temporary and could surely be no worse than the next few months if we hadn't changed manager. If it goes amazingly well, we may have finally stumbled upon the right person. As a club legend, he should have the respect of the players instantly. He understands what Manchester United should be about and will at least go and attack teams if nothing else. He'll get massive support from the fans too.

    Also, I don't care if he scarcely wins a game between now and the end of the season......OGS will always be an absolute hero.


  • Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Those instructions from Ole to his players are at least better than Giggs' "Give the fans summin to cheer about" team-talk. No matter what footage surfaces of Ole on another training ground though, we have no idea how he's going to handle this extremely mixed bag of egos and talent at United. I am at least encouraged by the fact that he is a working manager who has been building up experience, unlike the self-entitled Giggs when we appointed him as caretaker manager.

    Of course, ideally we'd be getting in the new permanent manager now, and he would have the rest of the season to assess the squad before making changes next Summer. However, I just can't see us being able to bring in that permanent manager in December, not if he's still at another club. Also, I can't see someone like Blanc or Jardim agreeing to come in on an interim basis to be then fúcked out next Summer.

    If it was to be Blanc or Jardim, they could be given the job on a permanent basis now considering their availability. The fact that they haven't, and neither has Zidane, says to me that we are waiting until Summer because our next permanent manager is currently managing another club.

    As for Olé and Mick Phelan, it will take a couple of games before I'm anything other than happy and relieved that the Jose cloud of misery has been lifted. Unless we get beaten in all or most of our games, I'm going to enjoy watching United over Christmas. As little as 24 hours ago, that was not something I was expecting to do.

    Away from the manager - No matter what was going on behind the scenes, Paul Pogba publicly showed unacceptable disrespect to his manager several times this season. Jose wasn't making it easy for a lot of players, but at least the likes of Shaw, Martial and Rashford were publicly backing and respecting their manager. Wheras Pogba was going about with his "I'd be fined if I said anything" bullshít.

    In contrast, late last season Pogba responded multiple times with "There is no problem, he is the manager and I respect his decision" when questioned about potential problems between he and Jose, or about Jose dropping him. What changed between last season and this season? What caused things to worsen? Congratulations to Pogba on his WC win, but I unfortunately have little doubt now that that WC win and the personal plaudits have bloated his ego.

    Jose had to be let go and was making too many mistakes. However, that wouldn't make me ignore everything he has said during his time at United. Jose is very particular and precise with his words, and the fact that he chose 'virus' to describe Pogba in prviate recently, over any other negative term, is interesting and perhaps something to be wary of. A virus takes over and spreads itself to other hosts. If Jose wanted to call Pogba out on just his football performances, would 'virus' have been the chosen term?

    I'm now worry that Pogba is a potential disruptor for any new manager, that he can decide when and if a United manager loses the dressing room. For those who might say "Jose has pulled the wool over your eyes with Pogba", that might be true, or: A silver lining to Jose's bad side is that it helped show us Pogba's. Again, no other United player bar Pogba has come out this season and publicly questioned their manager. Even Martial who got sniped at for attending his child's birth still said "No problems, Jose the man".

    Now maybe this will be a once-off for Pogba, that things with he and Jose just got so bad that he had to say something. Maybe he was the unstoppable force to Mourinho's immovable object. Still though, I'm not mad about the behaviour and apparent behind the scenes influence of Paul Pogba at Manchester United.

    Well and good if he was influencing and leading the players to run through walls with him on the field and achieve results, but not to lead a mutiny on the United manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,288 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Are United the first club to appoint an inexperienced manager interim?

    No, but the fact you're not the first lemming off the cliff isn't a good argument.
    I'm not masive fan of ole as a manager and I don't like phelan since his carry on after leaving the club but if the club have plans to put a structure In place to look after the football side of things and want to get that in place before giving another manger a full term contract then whats the problem?

    Going for the easiest possible (and cheapest possible) options indicates they have no structure in place.
    Who do we put in charge instead? I'd like jardim but maybe he didn't want a short term contract sane with blanc I couldn't see him coming on for 5 months. There ain't many managers out there that would be prepared to do that I think it's the right decision if it's short term and while putting bigger plans in place.

    This isn't a "give it to Giggsy for four games" scenario. United are not safe from relegation. It happened in my lifetime. The club is so F**ked up right now I'm not ruling it out until it's been mathematically ruled out.

    Chelsea did it with Di Matteo. Won a CL and all. Did it with Avram Grant too.

    Pool did it with Kenny. It obviously not ideal, but this is the **** that happens when you sack a manager mid season.

    Comparing Di Matteo or Dalglish to Solskjaer is some sort of a sick joke.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    To me that Pogba tweet looks like a prescheduled promotional action, with marketing hashtags and links (adidas, #heretocreate). Terible timing, but I 100% reckon that is a marketing team thing.

    Neville disagrees :)

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11585357/gary-neville-says-excuse-for-paul-pogbas-tweet-after-jose-mourinhos-sacking-is-garbage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    Mourinho was agitating all summer, getting into squabbles with board and players alike in public and likely in private. His "I am just a coach" sulk, the nonsense with Martial etc. At that point and given Mourinho's history, and also the fact that a blind man could see that our squad was worse than our rivals, it is ridiculous to think that a good chairman wasn't looking at potential disaster scenarios.

    Pure revisionism.

    He only got agitated when it became clear he wasn’t going to be backed in the transfer window and decide the makeup of his squad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    beno619 wrote: »
    Pure revisionism.

    He only got agitated when it became clear he wasn’t going to be backed in the transfer window and decide the makeup of his squad.

    It's said that one aspect of this 'backing' was to get rid of Martial....one of the only positives from the season.


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