Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Nalz · 18-12-2018 11:38PM

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/highlights-of-the-1999-champions-league-final-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-winner

Solskjaer becomes our interim manager, 20 seasons after clinching the Treble with THAT goal at Camp Nou.

ericzeking · 18-12-2018 11:39PM

It would be class if OGS tore it up, got the team firing and got himself the job full time, I would love to see this whole thing of only considering hiring big name proven trophy winners kicked to touch.
All the best coaches had false starts and failures and got more chances somewhere. Pep started at Barca ffs. I'd love for us to unearth our own Pep. Carrick is another one I have hope for.

uncleoswald · 18-12-2018 11:40PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I love OGS as much as the next guy but manager of Manchester United? I mean

Yeah I'm a bit baffled by the appointment too and worry there is no plan. But f*ck me, I can't put into words how happy it will make me at the weekend to look at the bench during a game and see Ole and not Jose.

Rayne Wooney · 18-12-2018 11:40PM

Well, it’ll be interesting to say the least

I really hope he does well

~Rebel~ · 18-12-2018 11:41PM

billyhead wrote: »

His ego wouldn't have someone looking over his shoulder in an oversight type role
Mourinho wanted full control over football matters. To be fair I wouldn't blame him their. Do you think Saf would agree to a director of football?

Ferguson was from a different time though (and was no stranger to delegation of plenty of roles anyway, even without an official Sporting Director). The control-freak approach is just an outdated model. The job has evolved to become too big for one man to think they can do everything. Every progressive and successful club in the world has a sporting director to work WITH the manager.

Txiki Begiristain, Monchi, Michael Edwards, Fabio Paratici, Andrea Berta, Marc Overmars, Michael Zorc, Matthias Sammer (and then Salihamidzic) etc etc etc are all key parts of the success of their respective teams.

Loafing Oaf · 18-12-2018 11:42PM

MaceFace wrote: »

I find many of the posts incredible. Giving a short contract to any manager whether it be 6 months or 2 years is laughable. Who would take that?

18-12-2018 11:42PM

uncleoswald wrote: »

Yeah I'm a bit baffled by the appointment too and worry there is no plan. But f*ck me, I can't put into words how happy it will make me at the weekend to look at the bench during a game and see Ole and not Jose.

Ha thats a great way of looking at definetly something to look forward too it feels like its been a long time

DM_7 · 18-12-2018 11:46PM

Next game is v Cardiff away which is gas.

Drumpot · 18-12-2018 11:49PM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1218/1017991-pogba-danced-on-the-grave-of-mourinho-says-neville/

Poor old Pogba ... Drama just seems to Gravitate his way.....

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 11:55PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Absolutely, the club has sold it's sole, it's all about haircuts and hashtags.

In fairness to Woodward he's a marketing guy and he's good at that, unfortunately when it comes to football and running a club he's clueless.

That isn't true.

But if the players didn't have individual boot contacts they would have sold the sole.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 11:55PM

Is The Debate podcasted at any point, like Sunday Supplement for example.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2018 11:56PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That isn't true.

But if the players didn't have individual boot contacts they would have sold the sole.

Brilliant! Top marks

jayo26 · 18-12-2018 11:57PM

The baby faced manager wouldn't be my first choice even as interim but one thing I will say is he will get the support of everyone at the club he is a proper club legend he will be given the chance and fans adore him.

I'd love for him to do well itnwouod be great to have him back at the club we have tried just about everything else so we see how it goes.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2018 11:57PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That isn't true.

But if the players didn't have individual boot contacts they would have sold the sole.

#pogback

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2018 11:58PM

https://twitter.com/Dr_Humd/status/1075005973247524865?s=19

Tippex · 19-12-2018 12:07AM

Nalz wrote: »

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/highlights-of-the-1999-champions-league-final-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-winner

Solskjaer becomes our interim manager, 20 seasons after clinching the Treble with THAT goal at Camp Nou.

And then they take down the post as quickly as it went up ****ing jokeshop

19-12-2018 12:09AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I don't buy the "why would xyz join us now, we are a mess" line. It's still Manchester United, that badge and this club comes with a lot of history beyond the post Fergie years.

We have the best stadium in England and the finances to go toe to toe with the elite clubs in the transfer market. I don't think we'd have trouble attracting any top manager who is available.

If clubs like Madrid, and Bayern had bad season those names still come with a lot of weight and managers would jump at the chance. UTD is no different.

The fianaces yes...but the whole badge crest history thing, i dont think matters much to the modern footballer. In my opinion

Mitch Connor · 19-12-2018 12:12AM

I just can't see the decision making behind Solskjaer - I can't see from a management perspective what he has shown he will bring to the club this season. I can't see it likely the Solskjaer is a guy they've been tracking, reviewing, researching for such a role at the club. It is, imo, very worrying that he has been brought in, and so quickly. I don't see how this is a million miles better than just leaving it to Carrick and McKenna, unless the reason they've not been given it is because the club consider them as future bets and don't want to gamble tarnishing them now - while not particularly caring about Solskjaer's rep after this 6 months.

Maybe the club feel Poch is the man, and that they can 100% do it in the summer - but I feel there would good moves we could have made now instead of writing off this season on a gamble in the summer. THis season may already be done, but had we got Jardim in, for example, he could have had a half season with the squad and know exactly what he wants in the summer. Now, we will make no use of the January window - and with Poch MAYBE coming in during the summer we will likely have done no proper transfer work leading to the summer meaning we get F all done then too, in a short window.

I can see this continuing to be a disaster, well into next season, cause even if we do get Poch, it likely won't be quick - and the later it goes in to the summer the less time we have to bring in the players when we don't even know who Poch will want.

FatherTed · 19-12-2018 12:12AM

Relief. That's how I've been feeling all day. I'm just happy he's gone.

I never wanted Jose here and wanted him gone after 2016-17 season especially after him showing the 3 fingers for the 3 pointless cups. That was embarrassing. Our benchmark is the Prem so celebrating a season where we finished 6 was nauseating.

Thank fcuk he's gone with his style of play(or lack thereof), his pettiness, his moodiness, his constant knocking of the players.

bangkok · 19-12-2018 12:20AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just can't see the decision making behind Solskjaer - I can't see from a management perspective what he has shown he will bring to the club this season. I can't see it likely the Solskjaer is a guy they've been tracking, reviewing, researching for such a role at the club. It is, imo, very worrying that he has been brought in, and so quickly. I don't see how this is a million miles better than just leaving it to Carrick and McKenna, unless the reason they've not been given it is because the club consider them as future bets and don't want to gamble tarnishing them now - while not particularly caring about Solskjaer's rep after this 6 months.

Maybe the club feel Poch is the man, and that they can 100% do it in the summer - but I feel there would good moves we could have made now instead of writing off this season on a gamble in the summer. THis season may already be done, but had we got Jardim in, for example, he could have had a half season with the squad and know exactly what he wants in the summer. Now, we will make no use of the January window - and with Poch MAYBE coming in during the summer we will likely have done no proper transfer work leading to the summer meaning we get F all done then too, in a short window.

I can see this continuing to be a disaster, well into next season, cause even if we do get Poch, it likely won't be quick - and the later it goes in to the summer the less time we have to bring in the players when we don't even know who Poch will want.

He must have left a serious mark when he was over the utd reserves and has done a good job in norway.

Knows utd through and through and is attack minded. No harm giving it to him in the short term.

Hope we batter cardiff at the weekend 5-0

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 12:21AM

There is not really anything to "get" about the Solskjaer appointment. I am surprised that anybody is surprised. Nobody wants an interim job other than has beens and never weres. Blanc still has standing in the game as a manager. Why take an interim job? Same for Jardim.

Secobdly, the board did not plan for losing Mourinho. Two things make this obvious; The fact that they extended his contract recently, and the fact that they need to take until the end of the season to get a replacement, meaning they had not courted anyone in the last 6 months.

Whilst it is not an ideal replacement, the board brought us to this by having no contingency plan and not getting rid of Mourinho in the summer.

Van.Bosch · 19-12-2018 12:27AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

There is not really anything to "get" about the Solskjaer appointment. I am surprised that anybody is surprised. Nobody wants an interim job other than has beens and never weres. Blanc still has standing in the game as a manager. Why take an interim job? Same for Jardim.

Secobdly, the board did not plan for losing Mourinho. Two things make this obvious; The fact that they extended his contract recently, and the fact that they need to take until the end of the season to get a replacement, meaning they had not courted anyone in the last 6 months.

Whilst it is not an ideal replacement, the board brought us to this by having no contingency plan and not getting rid of Mourinho in the summer.

Disagree on the second point, I think they have the manager lined up for the summer but he won’t move now.

19-12-2018 12:28AM

What would of the basis to get rid of him in the summer been? I mean united came second, our best position in years, why was a centre back brought in.

Surely if the narrative is he didnt invest previous money wisely, well doesnt really hold up, as he got united their best position in years so why not invest more?

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 12:32AM

Sirsok wrote: »

What would of the basis to get rid of him in the summer been? I mean united came second, our best position in years, why was a centre back brought in.

Surely if the narrative is he didnt invest previous money wisely, well doesnt really hold up, as he got united their best position in years so why not invest more?

Mourinho was agitating all summer, getting into squabbles with board and players alike in public and likely in private. His "I am just a coach" sulk, the nonsense with Martial etc. At that point and given Mourinho's history, and also the fact that a blind man could see that our squad was worse than our rivals, it is ridiculous to think that a good chairman wasn't looking at potential disaster scenarios.

DM_7 · 19-12-2018 12:39AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

There is not really anything to "get" about the Solskjaer appointment. I am surprised that anybody is surprised. Nobody wants an interim job other than has beens and never weres. Blanc still has standing in the game as a manager. Why take an interim job? Same for Jardim.

Secobdly, the board did not plan for losing Mourinho. Two things make this obvious; The fact that they extended his contract recently, and the fact that they need to take until the end of the season to get a replacement, meaning they had not courted anyone in the last 6 months.

Whilst it is not an ideal replacement, the board brought us to this by having no contingency plan and not getting rid of Mourinho in the summer.

Not obvious.

They may have allowed Jose a chance to work within the parameters of his job.

Perhaps they had a back up plan for what happens should he need to go (like a caretaker) and already know who they want full time, who they want would not leave during the season.

PhlegmyMoses · 19-12-2018 12:41AM

DM_7 wrote: »

Not obvious.

They may have allowed Jose a chance to work within the parameters of his job.

Perhaps they had a back up plan for what happens should he need to go (like a caretaker) and already know who they want full time, who they want would not leave during the season.

Why extend his contract though? If you are putting in place back up plans? This seems silly

Loafing Oaf · 19-12-2018 12:43AM

Sirsok wrote: »

What would of the basis to get rid of him in the summer been? I mean united came second, our best position in years,

Because things always fall apart for Mou in season 3:p

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Strumms · 19-12-2018 12:45AM

FatherTed wrote: »

Relief. That's how I've been feeling all day. I'm just happy he's gone.

Thank fcuk he's gone with his style of play(or lack thereof), his pettiness, his moodiness, his constant knocking of the players.

Tbh I agree 100% with this. Watching him at United and it was just a wrong fit for all these reasons. There was zero sense in prolonging the train wreck any further. Solskjaer on a temporary basis will at least or should be the opposite to the dour, negative, divisive Jose experience.

United will be after Jose, United, whereby I think Jose himself looks like a bit of a busted flush. Established, successful clubs looking for a manager and seeing his ‘performance’ of late on the football pitch and in front of the camera might just think the same.

19-12-2018 12:47AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Mourinho was agitating all summer, getting into squabbles with board and players alike in public and likely in private. His "I am just a coach" sulk, the nonsense with Martial etc. At that point and given Mourinho's history, and also the fact that a blind man could see that our squad was worse than our rivals, it is ridiculous to think that a good chairman wasn't looking at potential disaster scenarios.

Hr just signed an extension though, where im sure he was promised certain things. If they werent delivered id be agitated to.

A report in here a few days ago described a youth infrastructure that is not uo to par with Man Cities and hench united are losing youth prospects to city.

Praise for Diop in West Ham dig, was a sly dig at him scouting team, which in fairness he has a point in seems on things.

I get it i wasnt there everyday, but from purely his public relations aspect, i felt he was right on alot of things.

DM_7 · 19-12-2018 12:49AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Why extend his contract though? If you are putting in place back up plans? This seems silly

Why not extend a manager, by one year, who at the time was making some progress and looking to stay on. Just like a player, the contract would become an issue if it entered the final year. It is not like he got a 5 year extension.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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