Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

Rossi IRL · 18-12-2018 08:58PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I’m trying to get excited about the new manager, and I am, but I have that nagging feeling that we’ll be having this same conversation in 18 months time.

I half feel the same.

The only positive that I see is that the board do seem to be doing something different than usual.

Talks about getting a technical director and actually waiting for the right man in the summer is very positive.

We can only hope they get it right.

Zeek12 · 18-12-2018 09:03PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Blanc or Jardim - 6 month contract, basically an audition?

I'm not a fan of the caretaker view - and certainly not a fan of a relatively inexperienced caretaker that is a huge gamble themselves.

Mourinho was a problem, and I am glad he has been sacked, but there are problems beyond him and I think it needs someone with more stature than Solskjaer at this point in time. I don't think he has proven himself ready or able for United.

Seriously, if Solskjaer didn't have history at United, and you heard United were about to appoint the Molde manager, who failed horribly at Cardiff, as manager what would you reaction be?

Yeah, I'd go along with this.

Its not like sacking Moyes and bringing Giggsy in for just four games.

We've still got over half the season to play!

Needs an experienced pair of hands, even if its a caretaker.

py2006 · 18-12-2018 09:03PM

The appointment of Zidane would be another Mourinho. A quick fix title being the assumption. We don't need that. We need to build from ground up and create a team that fight for each other and the club.

Quandary · 18-12-2018 09:06PM

I have no idea where this club will be this time next year. Another failed managerial appointment followed by more dithering and indecisiviness in the transfer market and we will be mired in the europa league spots indefinitely. We are being left behind by so many clubs who have a much clearer footbslling vision and identity than we do.

Despite the initial elation of finally ejecting Mourinho, a real sense of dread has set in with me because of my supreme lack of faith in the competence, vision and ambition the board has in the footballing side of Manchester United.

In many ways it feels like we are already so far behind City and Liverpool that it will take years and years to build back up to that level. The damage that has been done to the club since Fergie and Gill left is probably going to take the best part of a decade to right imo.

Sand · 18-12-2018 09:06PM

I would prefer Jardim from the available options, but perhaps the board is specifically deciding they are not making a long term decision. Would Jardim come and manage United only to the end of the season? Probably not, given the professional risks. OGS on the other hand would come and do a caretaker role while medium term changes are made.

If the club has decided the club needs to change to a DoF-head coach structure, then they have to identify the DoF first. It will then be the DoF making the recruitment decision for head coach as he would for any player or coach.

Its a genuine relief to see Mourinho gone. He has been toxic. Accepting the other problems at the club, he was a significant problem in his own right and never part of the solution. I think the Mourinho appointment was an unavoidable mistake. It was all grimly predictable, even down to the third season meltdown and a squad left in tatters but I think he had to be appointed at some point. In the eyes of many, he was always the one who should have replaced Ferguson. Now he was appointed and failed, so the club can move on.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2018 09:09PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Blanc or Jardim - 6 month contract, basically an audition?

I'm not a fan of the caretaker view - and certainly not a fan of a relatively inexperienced caretaker that is a huge gamble themselves.

Mourinho was a problem, and I am glad he has been sacked, but there are problems beyond him and I think it needs someone with more stature than Solskjaer at this point in time. I don't think he has proven himself ready or able for United.

Seriously, if Solskjaer didn't have history at United, and you heard United were about to appoint the Molde manager, who failed horribly at Cardiff, as manager what would you reaction be?

Do we think that Woodward has been tracking his career and sees something in what he has done at Molde? Do we think Woodward would be appointing Solskjaer based on his managerial style, his record, his playing style - or is it likely he is simply a good name to bring in and wing over fans in the short term?

Well going for the experienced manager route hasn't exactly worked. Pep and Zidane had little managerial experience before being given the top jobs in Spain. I do agree Solskjaer should be coming in replacing Lakaku not Mourinho but at the end of the day he cannot be any worse than Mourinho who was poison.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 09:11PM

One very interesting thing to consider is the timing of this sacking, which is right before the January window.

The club pulled the trigger on the last two managers when top 4 was out of the question and we were eliminated from the UCL, neither of those is the case right now.

I think this is for for two reasons, firstly the club knew Jose was gone by the end of this season either way and they knew he knew it also, therefore they didn't want to give him another window and more money for targets when he's a goner anyway, plus not signing anyone makes it look like they play into Jose's I haven't been backed line when the really don't want another of his dud signings.

Secondly as he was surely gone they could have been worried about his actions in the window, not in terms of bringing players in but he could have tried to sell Pogba.

Now my first instinct is that a caretaker manager for 5-6 months until the summer is not going to be given any funds in January but they sacked Jose earlier than expected so they might feel top four and a good UCL run can still be salvaged and investment might be warranted. If they caretaker manager is someone like Blanc with a view to keeping him on if he does well then I thinks funds will be made available. I wouldn't expect a caretaker on a 5 month contract to start a clear-out either if he's not going to be there long term either.

The January window will be interesting.

mugsymugsy · 18-12-2018 09:12PM

Newstalk suggesting it is looking likely OGS with Mike phelan as assistant till end of season

billyhead · 18-12-2018 09:22PM

Ole and Mike Phelan will do to tye end of the season then go all out for Pochettino. I don't think we will see any January signings. Get Pochettino in and give him a war chest and make a clear out of deadwood in the squad. If we can't get Kanes I wouldn't mind seeing Erikson at United.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 09:22PM

mugsymugsy wrote: »

Newstalk suggesting it is looking likely OGS with Mike phelan as assistant till end of season

Rumours are sure to be getting made up to generate clicks over the next few days. These guys might not even be getting mentioned at OT. Hard to tell.

Phelan used to set up and conduct a lot of training sessions under Fergie. I remember him saying that he and Rene Meulensteen did a lot if not the majority of the weekday training work in interviews after Moyes didn't keep them on.

Ole was their under Fergie in the glory years too so they might try recreate what they know from that time in terms of training, transfers, set up.....everything! It might actually have some results, who knows! For a 5 month spell I wouldn't have an objection as its steady the ship time. We need the atmosphere improved in the camp firstly.

I think we'd see a more aggressive style at least. I can't wait to watch UTD and be entertained again personally, I'm not expecting top 4 or anything amazing to happen in the UCL but some up and at them football would be a welcome change right now.

UnitedIrishman · 18-12-2018 09:26PM

billyhead wrote: »

Ole and Mike Phelan will do to tye end of the season then go all out for Pochettino. I don't think we will see any January signings. Get Pochettino in and give him a war chest and make a clear out of deadwood in the squad. If we can't get Kanes I wouldn't mind seeing Erikson at United.

You know what is going to happen - we'll put all our efforts on getting in Pochetino and he'll go to Madrid. And we will have absolutely no plan B.

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 09:35PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

One very interesting thing to consider is the timing of this sacking, which is right before the January window.

The club pulled the trigger on the last two managers when top 4 was out of the question and we were eliminated from the UCL, neither of those is the case right now.

I think this is for for two reasons, firstly the club knew Jose was gone by the end of this season either way and they knew he knew it also, therefore they didn't want to give him another window and more money for targets when he's a goner anyway, plus not signing anyone makes it look like they play into Jose's I haven't been backed line when the really don't want another of his dud signings.

Secondly as he was surely gone they could have been worried about his actions in the window, not in terms of bringing players in but he could have tried to sell Pogba.

Now my first instinct is that a caretaker manager for 5-6 months until the summer is not going to be given any funds in January but they sacked Jose earlier than expected so they might feel top four and a good UCL run can still be salvaged and investment might be warranted. If they caretaker manager is someone like Blanc with a view to keeping him on if he does well then I thinks funds will be made available. I wouldn't expect a caretaker on a 5 month contract to start a clear-out either if he's not going to be there long term either.

The January window will be interesting.

No serious signings will join a club without a permanent manager. Could easily not be the next guys cup of tea. We need to forget about that window

Econ__ · 18-12-2018 09:36PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Right. Fine. Whatever. Ffs.

You were trying to equate Mourinho not being ‘backed’ in the Summer to Poch not being ‘backed’ at Spurs despite the fact that the two operating in completely different circumstances that cannot be compared with such glibness.

Your point was nonsensical and you got called out on it. Get over it.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 09:40PM

Ogden saying it's done already.

[Mark Ogden] Ole Gunnar Solskjnamed Manchester United interim manager.

http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/video/latest-videos/600/video/3731463

Cypher_sounds · 18-12-2018 09:45PM

Headshot wrote: »

The likes of Blanc might be put off my the temporary position but if they do a good enough job they would probably get the job on the full basis. This is one of the biggest clubs in the world where the management position doesn't come around very often

If you include giggs managing us for a few matches a few years ago it’ll be 5 managers in 5 years.

bangkok · 18-12-2018 09:45PM

ole's first line up

de gea

bailly

lindelof

fred

herrera

pereira

lingard

mata

pogba

rashford

lukaku

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

paulbok · 18-12-2018 09:46PM

bangkok wrote: »

ole's first line up

de gea

bailly
lindelof

fred
herrera
pereira

lingard
mata
pogba

rashford
lukaku

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Go home Bangkok, you're drunk.

J. Marston · 18-12-2018 09:48PM

Season is a write off anyway so lets see what happens.

Astute appointment in the board's mind because if shít hits the fan any further, fans are unlikely to revolt against Ole.

bangkok · 18-12-2018 09:49PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Season is a write off anyway so lets see what happens.

Astute appointment in the board's mind because if shít hits the fan any further, fans are unlikely to revolt against Ole.

it actually cant be any worse than it was under jose so i think ole will be fine until end of season

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 09:51PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Season is a write off anyway so lets see what happens.

Astute appointment in the board's mind because if shít hits the fan any further, fans are unlikely to revolt against Ole.

Yup. Plus no imperative to spend in January. Hopefully the next 6 months involve having a go at other teams on the pitch and some serious work behind the scenes to identify the right man and put structures in place.

Mr.H · 18-12-2018 09:53PM

J. Marston wrote:

Season is a write off anyway so lets see what happens.

Except its not. How much would it cost to finish 7th and lose in the next round of the cups?

United are only 11 points off 4th. With the right new manager momentum they still have a good chance to get amongst that. Not to forget champions league and fa cup.

The season is far from a write off

billyhead · 18-12-2018 09:58PM

Will Ole command authority in the dressing room though. I would show Pogba the door in January for starters.

bangkok · 18-12-2018 10:04PM

billyhead wrote: »

Will Ole command authority in the dressing room though. I would show Pogba the door in January for starters.

id say he will embrace Pogba and all the other players, give them respect and they will give him back respect on the field

bangkok · 18-12-2018 10:05PM

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/ewan-mackenna-jose-mourinho-is-yesterdays-man-his-career-has-moved-onto-the-father-jack-elvis-stage-37637969.html

good article

IamtheWalrus · 18-12-2018 10:06PM

billyhead wrote: »

Will Ole command authority in the dressing room though. I would show Pogba the door in January for starters.

Maybe..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-BFd_zPaM

DM_7 · 18-12-2018 10:15PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Blanc or Jardim - 6 month contract, basically an audition?

I'm not a fan of the caretaker view - and certainly not a fan of a relatively inexperienced caretaker that is a huge gamble themselves.

Mourinho was a problem, and I am glad he has been sacked, but there are problems beyond him and I think it needs someone with more stature than Solskjaer at this point in time. I don't think he has proven himself ready or able for United.

Seriously, if Solskjaer didn't have history at United, and you heard United were about to appoint the Molde manager, who failed horribly at Cardiff, as manager what would you reaction be?

Do we think that Woodward has been tracking his career and sees something in what he has done at Molde? Do we think Woodward would be appointing Solskjaer based on his managerial style, his record, his playing style - or is it likely he is simply a good name to bring in and wing over fans in the short term?

I actually thought Ole would be a good choice as DOF for United due to his history. As a player, as a coach and his work running a club on a smaller scale.

As a caretaker he would have fan support and that is hugely important if a caretaker is needed. It is logical to get a caretaker when the people needed on a permanent basis are busy, deeply involved in jobs or where the club just need time to pick the right manager.

I know people are rightfully annoyed with people running the club. It is hard to have faith in their choices but it is logical to remove a damaging manager and to appoint someone else as they take some time to get a new manager. If coaches within the club could have taken on the role they would have got the chance. Instead it appears they want to get people in who know the club and the pressure of the club.

I don't see a scenario where someone like Blanc gets a formal trial. It is better to get a clearly defined caretaker.

DM_7 · 18-12-2018 10:19PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

No serious signings will join a club without a permanent manager. Could easily not be the next guys cup of tea. We need to forget about that window

Hazard did.

thegreengoblin · 18-12-2018 10:19PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

You know what is going to happen - we'll put all our efforts on getting in Pochetino and he'll go to Madrid. And we will have absolutely no plan B.

Was about to post the exact same thing. Woodward will play footsie with Poch for the next few months, the media will all say it's a done deal...then Perez will walk in the door and Poch heads off with him. Guaranteed.

billyhead · 18-12-2018 10:26PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Was about to post the exact same thing. Woodward will play footsie with Poch for the next few months, the media will all say it's a done deal...then Perez will walk in the door and Poch heads off with him. Guaranteed.

I hope not because if we were serious about appointing Jardem or Zidane we wouldn't be appointing Ole. I think Ed will pit all his eggs in the basket to get Poch.

thegreengoblin · 18-12-2018 10:34PM

billyhead wrote: »

I hope not because if we were serious about appointing Jardem or Zidane we wouldn't be appointing Ole. I think Ed will pit all his eggs in the basket to get Poch.

This is United we're talking about!

But yeah it does make me wonder if they have a verbal agreement with Poch. Hopefully the story leaks and Spurs' season goes off the rails!

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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