Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

LiamoSail · 18-12-2018 04:20PM

If United are stil planning on a DoF, presumably there'll be no managerial appointment prior to the DoF appointment

Adamocovic · 18-12-2018 04:21PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Sums up how I feel.

I am also sad at the thought that we are relying on the same failed people at the top to make the right decisions and changes that the team needs. How can any fan be confident that they even have a plan given all we have seen over 6 years ?

Its the hope that kills you . .

You won't find many who believe the board have a real plan. In my eyes it has gone like this.

First Moyes was looked at with an actual plan for a long term successor to build his team, wheels fall off and he's kicked to the kerb.

Then the club has just looked at quick fix solutions in hiring succesful managers who don't have intentions of building long term success but rather a quick success. So managers like LVG and Jose who are both successful managers with plenty of trophies behind them but never felt like either was really a long term plan with direction. Bring in big name managers and throw money at the market. All quick fix attempts.

More throw them in and hope for them to just start winning trophies again and we'd be back to dominance, then bring someone in to carry it on. It's not going to work like that and we can only hope they actually outline a direction, find a manager with a direction and plan rather than reputation and give them the time and finance needed.

It may be asking a lot though.

J. Marston · 18-12-2018 04:21PM

I like Solskjaer far too much so I hope he doesn't get it. I don't want to get annoyed with him for any strange decisions or bad results!

bangkok · 18-12-2018 04:23PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

The relief of mourinho gone

Thank ****

Feels like a massive dark cloud has been lifted from the club.

Sky saying jose had fallen out with too many players for him to continue. Apart from pogba, lingard rashford sanchez and fred. Funny thats its all the attack minded players

AGC · 18-12-2018 04:24PM

Econ__ wrote: »

Solskjaer is a proven failure as a mid level PL manager.

He took over a Cardiff team that were a mess and was given 4 months to try keep them up.

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 04:26PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

If United are stil planning on a DoF, presumably there'll be no managerial appointment prior to the DoF appointment

You'd have to think so - get the DoF in soon and get them involved in the planning and hiring of the next manager.

Econ__ · 18-12-2018 04:29PM

AGC wrote: »

He took over a Cardiff team that were a mess and was given 4 months to try keep them up.

Yeah, and they got worse. He was then given until the start of the following season and still did nothing good before getting sacked.

AGC · 18-12-2018 04:32PM

Econ__ wrote: »

Yeah, and they got worse. He was then given until the start of the following season and still did nothing good before getting sacked.

Hardly say proven mid table failure when he was given a team at the bottom of the league and his only PL job.

He is not a long term option and id be surprised if he got the job for 6 months unless he came with a very good coach.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 04:33PM

bangkok wrote: »

Feels like a massive dark cloud has been lifted from the club.

Sky saying jose had fallen out with too many players for him to continue. Apart from pogba, lingard rashford sanchez and fred. Funny thats its all the attack minded players

If the following is true I'd question how much of Jose's heart was in it in the first place. If the training session thing is true that lack of care of professionalism coming from the manager was bound to spill over to the players.

#MUFC may have been the job #Mourinho wanted, but he never seemed to enjoy it once there. Pretty telling that he didn't buy a home & lived out of a hotel suite. Also told he'd arrange training sessions for morning one day, late the next to fit in 24 hour trips back to London. (Evening STD.)

TheDoc · 18-12-2018 04:35PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

If the following is true I'd question how much of Jose's heart was in it in the first place. If the training session thing is true that lack of care of professionalism coming from the manager was bound to spill over to the players.

I'd imagine it will all come out now over the course of the days and weeks.

Everything justifying the manager being sacked, and everything justifying the manager having done the best he could do. Standard stuff.

Duncan Castles be getting a few reads in the next few weeks thats for sure

fatherted1969 · 18-12-2018 04:39PM

Director of football first and then a proper hands on coach/manager. Don't care if he comes from Barnet or Barcelona. The actual infield play was awful. There are better players in that squad we're just not seeing it from them. The ball is back in their court now, let's see what happens

Adamcp898 · 18-12-2018 04:42PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd imagine it will all come out now over the course of the days and weeks.

Everything justifying the manager being sacked, and everything justifying the manager having done the best he could do. Standard stuff.

Duncan Castles be getting a few reads in the next few weeks thats for sure

Exactly. We're now in the controlling the spin phase of the story.

Fitz* · 18-12-2018 04:43PM

Imagine saying this summer that come Christmas time, after winning a WC, that Pogba wouldn't be able to make the United team or even get off of the bench in big games. and that his likely management team at this time would be Solsjkaer and Mike Phelan!! :pac:

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 04:45PM

Econ__ wrote: »

Solskjaer is a proven failure as a mid level PL manager.

If Blanc is available to take the job on an interim basis, he’d be a no brainer. He actually has good experience at a high level & plays a modern, attractive style of possession football.

With Blanc, it’s conceivable that he could show enough to be kept on permanently. There’s no chance of that with Solakjaer. The caveat here is that I’m assuming there’s no back channel agreement with Poch to become manager at the end of the season. That would be the only circumstance where it would make sense to pick Solskjaer over Blanc.

Yeah, Blanc is by far the better option. I just dont see him wanting to do the interim thing. Could be wrong.

If we are looking at realistic interim managers, the prospects are bleak. Solskjaer also failed at a ****show at Cardiff. I would not be writing off his ability to take over for a few months at an already written off season based off that.

DARK-KNIGHT · 18-12-2018 04:46PM

Anyone else think Jose will struggle to get another huge appointment

Clubs surely have to see his toxic 3 year pattern now

Econ__ · 18-12-2018 04:47PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

If the following is true I'd question how much of Jose's heart was in it in the first place. If the training session thing is true that lack of care of professionalism coming from the manager was bound to spill over to the players.

Clearly the fault of Woodward & Pogba, putting poor auld Jose in such a terrible mood that he had to make room in his schedule for trips to London as often as he could.

Am I doing it right? :pac:

DARK-KNIGHT · 18-12-2018 04:47PM

Can I ask realistically what we expect from a new manager

I want to see attacking football

Sick of dour boring hoofball

Mitch Connor · 18-12-2018 04:48PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Anyone else think Jose will struggle to get another huge appointment

Clubs surely have to see his toxic 3 year pattern now

I could see him back at Madrid tbh. Higher quality of player, doesn't need to coach them or teach them to be better.

tinofapples · 18-12-2018 04:50PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Can I ask realistically what we expect from a new manager

I want to see attacking football

Sick of dour boring hoofball

That would certainly be a start !!

deaddonkey15 · 18-12-2018 04:51PM

I think people are placing too much stock in the idea of a director of football. I'm not against the idea of having one, but it's not as if a director of football is going to be some infallible personality that's immune to bad decisions/transfers. Either way, the final say will still probably be Woodward's when it comes to paying a transfer fee.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 04:51PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Exactly. We're now in the controlling the spin phase of the story.

Jose will have his say too, thats for sure. I don't think anything will be resolved in the press, both sides will be entrenched

I'll be interested to see if Jose throws Pogba and other players under the bus again. He said something recently that the players were still professional and playing for him or something to that effect. It will be interesting to see if that changes.

Econ__ · 18-12-2018 04:52PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Yeah, Blanc is by far the better option. I just dont see him wanting to do the interim thing. Could be wrong.

If we are looking at realistic interim managers, the prospects are bleak. Solskjaer also failed at a ****show at Cardiff. I would not be writing off his ability to take over for a few months at an already written off season based off that.

I don't disagree with any of that.

My point is if there's an high quality interim available that could conceivably be made permanent, it's a no brainer.

The advantage with Solskjaer is that he's so underwhelming that even if he does quite well, he won't be given the job. That would have been the danger with someone like Carrick - potentially gets a nice bounce with results and then you have the class of 92 campaigning for him to get it full time. They're much less likely to do that with Solskjaer.

PhlegmyMoses · 18-12-2018 04:55PM

Econ__ wrote: »

I don't disagree with any of that.

My point is if there's an high quality interim available that could conceivably be made permanent, it's a no brainer.

The advantage with Solskjaer is that he's so underwhelming that even if he does quite well, he won't be given the job. That would have been the danger with someone like Carrick - potentially gets a nice bounce with results and then you have the class of 92 campaigning for him to get it full time. They're much less likely to do that with Solskjaer.

It's also less of a ****show than a lot of the other interim names being bandied about. Like if we sign Big Sam or Steve Bruce in the interim we may give up.

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 04:58PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Can I ask realistically what we expect from a new manager

I want to see attacking football

Sick of dour boring hoofball

For the rest of this season? Not a whole lot except to steady the ship a bit but some attacking football would be nice, lets leave aside the park the bus style. No more sitting back waiting for the opposition to make a mistake.

bennyl10 · 18-12-2018 05:00PM

Ole would only be until March unless he’s leaving Molde completely..
Blanc makes more sense..

Your Airbag · 18-12-2018 05:00PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

It's also less of a ****show than a lot of the other interim names being bandied about. Like if we sign Big Sam or Steve Bruce in the interim we may give up.

A sh1t show you say? Funnily enough Moyes still has five months left on his original contract :pac:

Headshot · 18-12-2018 05:04PM

I was shocked he still lived in a hotel.

MaceFace · 18-12-2018 05:05PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I could see him back at Madrid tbh. Higher quality of player, doesn't need to coach them or teach them to be better.

I think Ramos will have something to say about that.

bangkok · 18-12-2018 05:11PM

Headshot wrote: »

I was shocked he still lived in a hotel.

He checked out today!

jayo26 · 18-12-2018 05:14PM

Headshot wrote: »

I was shocked he still lived in a hotel.

Its an APARTMENT!!!!!!!

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 Part Two

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