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Ireland needs more aggressive policing

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  • 17-12-2018 11:48pm
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    StereoSound
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    Who thinks the Gardai should be more aggressive in their line of duty? I think they should be more aggressive in enforcing the law and allowed to be more physical especially with scruffy young youths thinking their rebels rambling around the streets late at night making trouble. The country needs more policing with the recent spawning of gang youths running out of control and terrorizing parts of North Dublin. These are youth scumbags on a new level not really seen before during the past decades. I don't see enough Garda on the roads imo. Gardai need to be more aggressive and granted powers to man handle imo.

    Another thought, Would Ireland benefit from third party Garda reinforcements such as a company or whatever providing more public security on the streets inline with the Gardai? I'm not talking about securing premises but actual patrolling of the streets, a uniformed security force not necessarily wearing Garda uniforms but be granted at least some of the powers to what a Garda can do. This would increase policing on the streets. Dublin needs more policing.

    Your opinions....


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    major bill
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    I’ve been on the end of a Garda baton a few times and I can say from experience they ain’t shy when you act the bollox or give them cause!! What the guards really need is the backing of the courts!! Judges are the ones that need to be more aggressive!!


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    wakka12
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    Ive never seen a garda not respond aggressively to aggressive behaviour


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    jonon9
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    Its not the Garda that need changing its the whole justice department that needs changing its a broken system and needs a seriously overhauil.


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    Silentcorner
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    There are young fellas getting assaulted all over our country every weekend, outside pubs/nightclubs etc....all needlessly...the first thing you should see when you come out of a large venue is a line of gardai...it is not that difficult...they manage to do it for League of Ireland matches!


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    CinemaGuy45
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Who thinks the Gardai should be more aggressive in their line of duty? I think they should be more aggressive in enforcing the law and allowed to be more physical especially with scruffy young youths thinking their rebels rambling around the streets late at night making trouble. The country needs more policing with the recent spawning of gang youths running out of control and terrorizing parts of North Dublin. These are youth scumbags on a new level not really seen before during the past decades. I don't see enough Garda on the roads imo. Gardai need to be more aggressive and granted powers to man handle imo.

    Another thought, Would Ireland benefit from third party Garda reinforcements such as a company or whatever providing more public security on the streets inline with the Gardai? I'm not talking about securing premises but actual patrolling of the streets, a uniformed security force not necessarily wearing Garda uniforms but be granted at least some of the powers to what a Garda can do. This would increase policing on the streets. Dublin needs more policing.

    Your opinions....

    More powers to be aggressive I would think those fcukers have too much power as it is.
    rossie1977 wrote: »
    As someone from the area maybe I should explain what happened from what I have been told.

    A small shop was robbed in the town last week so the gardai were on the look-out throughout the town for the culprit(s). At around 1am they stopped two local men who they suspected of being the suspects.

    One of the men was returning home from his birthday party, the other was actually the nephew of the shop owner. Obviously a scuffle or argument broke out and the two men were badly beaten up by the Gardai. The man whose birthday it was has been in and out of hospital since with seizures and has been told he will never drive again..he worked as a bus driver.

    One of the Gardai who beat up the men has a history of beating up people in Dublin and instead of bring suspended he was moved down to Castlerea.


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    Arghus
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    Would you stop, if they were given more power to be aggressive and to manhandle they'd be knocking seven bells out of people who just even look at them sideways.


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    Sycamore Tree
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    Our police force has lost a lot of credibility due to many many years of corruption. It's a bit late asking them to be more aggressive.

    Perhaps they can aggressively falsify a million more breath tests...


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    AndrewJRenko
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Your opinions....
    I know it's a mad idea, but how about we look for evidence instead of opinions?


    Has this been tried anywhere? Has it worked?


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    Atlantic Dawn
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    They would need to be all issued with tamper proof bodycams.


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    CinemaGuy45
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I know it's a mad idea, but how about we look for evidence instead of opinions?


    Has this been tried anywhere? Has it worked?


    Ah, will you get out of here with your evidence that has no place on these kinds of threads or in official Garda reports it would seem?


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    Laois_Man
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    Should the United Ireland being discussed in some quarters ever come to pass, I look forward to seeing them policing East Belfast with their batons - should it happen that way!


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    Odhinn
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Who thinks the Gardai should be more aggressive in their line of duty? I think they should be more aggressive in enforcing the law and allowed to be more physical especially with scruffy young youths thinking their rebels rambling around the streets late at night making trouble. The country needs more policing with the recent spawning of gang youths running out of control and terrorizing parts of North Dublin. These are youth scumbags on a new level not really seen before during the past decades. I don't see enough Garda on the roads imo. Gardai need to be more aggressive and granted powers to man handle imo.

    Another thought, Would Ireland benefit from third party Garda reinforcements such as a company or whatever providing more public security on the streets inline with the Gardai? I'm not talking about securing premises but actual patrolling of the streets, a uniformed security force not necessarily wearing Garda uniforms but be granted at least some of the powers to what a Garda can do. This would increase policing on the streets. Dublin needs more policing.

    Your opinions....




    In some ideal world, maybe. As it is, why should anyone give them anymore leeway than they already have.


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    Atoms for Peace
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    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Should the United Ireland being discussed in some quarters ever come to pass, I look forward to seeing them policing East Belfast with their batons - should it happen that way!

    The PSNI would remain I'd imagine in that scenario.


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    November Golf
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Your opinions....

    It is said that Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

    Policing only works if the public have confidents in the police. Your suggestion of more physical agressive behaviour would diminish public confident in the gardai. People would be reluctant to assist in gardai investigates and enquiries and those subject to the 'agression' would be resentful and possible more 'rebellious'.

    Sure, there will alway be a few who would cheer on the buse of power (until they become the subject of the abuse). A lot of people love the tough on crime talk but in reality is not smart on crime and definately not effective.

    To effectively tackle crime and criminality you have to address the root causes of crime which, much like an iceberg, are broader than what see on the surface.


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    dxhound2005
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    I never see any young youths out and about these days. I think they are all at home playing with their computers.


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    November Golf
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Has this been tried anywhere?
    Yes, in the US.
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Has it worked?
    No. Crime rates are higher than virtually every EU countries and they have the highest level of incarceration per capita of any country on earth. Most are in prison for minor offences or because they cant afford to pay bail.


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    Raging_Ninja
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    Mike Foxtrot wrote: »
    Yes, in the US.

    No. Crime rates are higher than virtually every EU countries and they have the highest level of incarceration per capita of any country on earth. Most are in prison for minor offences or because they cant afford to pay bail.

    I don't think it's more powers they need, but more numbers and a courts system that is willing to actually enforce the law and hand out proper judgements.

    The broken windows theory of policing worked remarkably well to clean up New York and Time Square. Instead we've been defunding the police service here for a decade.


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    Feisar
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    There are young fellas getting assaulted all over our country every weekend, outside pubs/nightclubs etc....all needlessly...the first thing you should see when you come out of a large venue is a line of gardai...it is not that difficult...they manage to do it for League of Ireland matches!

    In Mullingar the three main night clubs are within pissing distance of each other. It'd be great to see circa. 10 operatives outside.

    However you'd be shocked at the lack of manpower on duty.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    Plumbthedepths
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    StereoSound wrote:
    Your opinions....


    Short answer No..... btw are you a guard?


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    RobbieMD
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    There are young fellas getting assaulted all over our country every weekend, outside pubs/nightclubs etc....all needlessly...the first thing you should see when you come out of a large venue is a line of gardai...it is not that difficult...they manage to do it for League of Ireland matches!

    League of Ireland matches subsidise the policing presence. I don’t think publicans would be inclined to do the same.


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    tomofson
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    Mike Foxtrot wrote: »
    It is said that Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts abolutely

    Policing only works if the public have confidents in the police. Your suggestion of more physical agressive behaviour would diminish public confident in the gardai. People would be reluctant to assist in gardai investigates and enquiries and those subject to the 'aggression' would be resentful and possible more 'rebellious'.

    Sure, there will alway be a few who would cheer on the buse of power (until they become the subject of the abuse). A lot of people love the tough on crime talk but in reality is not smart on crime and definately not effective.

    To effectively tackle crime and criminality you have to address the root causes of crime which, much like an iceberg, are broader than what see on the surface.

    This, give them the power to abuse the poor when ever they want and it wont belong till it hits the middle classes ivory towers.

    Think of the broken window syndrome in reverse, once they know they beat up one class of people without consequence they will start testing their luck with the "higher classes".

    Not that they should be allowed to beat anyone regardless of what percieved social economic class they come from.

    But this seems very much so like a "whip the poor back into their place" sort of mentality.


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    Carlingford Locked
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    I just wish they would give them a makeover at least. Their current uniforms just make them look like total dorks. They just have zero presence. The ones I pass by in town nowadays just look like scared little youngfellas. And they're always out of shape. They do nothing about anti social behaviour in Dublin and they seem to be afraid of travellers. I have zero respect for them. Just have a look at the police you see in centres in Spain and France and Germany etc. and they have a commanding presence. Garda are pathetic.


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    Edgware
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    In Spain or Italy if the police tell you to **** off home you go. In Ireland some spunker will spend tens minutes arguing with the guard before he gets clocked and ****ed in to a van.


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    Captain Obvious
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    Aggressive policing won't fix social problems.


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    nthclare
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    Call a spade a spade, if one's acting the scrote they should be man handled.

    Zero tolerance when people are acting the maggot in public, being a nucince...


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    Esel
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    Carlingford Locked wrote: »
    I just wish they would give them a makeover at least. Their current uniforms just make them look like total dorks. They just have zero presence. The ones I pass by in town nowadays just look like scared little youngfellas. And they're always out of shape. They do nothing about anti social behaviour in Dublin and they seem to be afraid of travellers. I have zero respect for them. Just have a look at the police you see in centres in Spain and France and Germany etc. and they have a commanding presence. Garda are pathetic.
    Something to do with being armed, maybe?

    Not your ornery onager



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    El_Bee
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    The problem is that even if the Gardai get more aggressive the guys they're being aggressive with will just walk out of court with another conviction to add to the list. Until Judges can be sued by victims for letting people with 60+ convictions out on the street they will continue with the revolving door court system.


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    Skatedude
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    I'd be happy enough if they would stop saying they have nobody available when someone is trying to break into my mothers home, or telling me it's not worth their time to confront the gang of knife wielding kids smashing windows and slashing car tires on my road.

    And this is on Botanic rd beside the National Botanical Gardens, not a no go part of the city.


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    AndrewJRenko
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    Raging_Ninja wrote: »

    The broken windows theory of policing worked remarkably well to clean up New York and Time Square. Instead we've been defunding the police service here for a decade.
    Did it really though?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/opinion/the-brokenwindows-myth.html

    Interesting date stamp on that article


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    orourkeda1977
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    After the treatment of Maurice McCabe can you imagine what theyd do to a Joe Soap if you let them off the leash.


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