Can't get a job

Are you close to Shannon? Loads of factories out there and they hire frequently

I honestly can’t fathom how someone could be looking for a job for three months, imo they are not ‘looking’ or trying hard enough.

You need to get out there, small businesses or cafes or restaurants are very easy to get into if you just dress up and walk in, some places are not worth trying if you just send an email or phone in.

It takes me a few days at most to get a new job (willing to do anything, restaurant work or call centre job) you need to be ready to walk into these places and give them your best.

dartboardio wrote: »

I honestly can’t fathom how someone could be looking for a job for three months, imo they are not ‘looking’ or trying hard enough.

:mad:

You need to get out there, small businesses or cafes or restaurants are very easy to get into if you just dress up and walk in, some places are not worth trying if you just send an email or phone in.

It takes me a few days at most to get a new job (willing to do anything, restaurant work or call centre job) you need to be ready to walk into these places and give them your best.

The question is, how come you don't last anywhere ?

And with your scintillating self-belief, why do you settle for such menial work in the first place ?




Ehhhhh, the plot thickens...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108868601&postcount=106


Works in the public sector...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108718197&postcount=16

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wakka12 wrote:

Whats your personality like OP? Do you get on alright with people?

Are you suggesting his personality is preventing him from getting work or questioning him to assesss suitability for job type?
How are employers going to assess a candidate's personality from a CV??
The OP is not getting feedback or responses never mind an interview to determine his personality.

Some more thoughts as I actually have a few roles open at the moment and have been reviewing a lot of CVs in the last few weeks.

- I hate badly formatted CVs in non-standard fonts
Paragraphs, bullet points and no more than 10/12 font size. Avoid lots of white space but make it easy for someone to read. It's a balance to get right admittedly

- What I'm interested in is your relevant skills and experience. I don't really care where you went to school or your leaving cert results. Education should be after employment history and leave out the leaving cert unless it's all you have

- Vague details of skills (these are IT roles) are not going to help. I don't need an essay but make it clear and how it applied to the role you did (lists of skills do nothing for me either).

- I don't need photos of you, although this seems to be mainly a European thing. Maybe that's the standard in Spain etc?

- A guy once submitted a 14 page CV which was basically the job description/ad for every role he'd ever done. I'm not gonna read all that! Plus it came across as extremely lazy. 2-3 pages max.

- Another guy had a vague list of skills as described above and then a summary of himself with the heading "TL;DR". Points for uniqueness I suppose but NO!

In the interview...

- Be clean, well groomed, well dressed (well fitting suit is best but failing that trousers and a shirt)

- answer the question asked. If unsure ask for clarification. Be clear in your answer. Try to avoid waffling

- As I manage an IT department, people skills and attitude are key as you're dealing with everyone from new agents to directors. I'm thus more interested in how you come across generally, convey information, deal with difficult customers or pressure. This would apply to most customer facing roles

- I'm interested in people who are actually interested in the job and who have shown initiative and independent working in previous roles. I have no time for having to stand over someone to make sure things are done or to find work for them to do on quieter days. There's always something to be done

- I want people who can work away but who also bring something new to the team. That means having examples of projects or new processes you were involved in or led and what you did. I want to be able to give people projects that will use their skills and interests and use this and their experience to come up with good solutions

- Be honest and open about your skills and experience. IT is a field that you'll be caught out in very quickly if you bull****. I rather someone is upfront if they're weak in an area but if they show a willingness to learn and get stuck in I will often overlook that weakness if they're a good fit in other ways.

That's enough for now I think. Hope this helps someone anyway

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I always found this a bit weird, why do we try present ourselves as someone else in interviews, we tend to like people bull****ting us, what if people generally don't dress or present themselves this way in normal life, surely being clean and neatly dressed, in clothes that you are comfortable in would just be fine. Interviews are stressful enough, why add to this, if I'm being interviewed, I wanna be as relaxed as possible, if I was interviewing, I'd want them to be as relaxed as possible. We have strange ideas when it comes to these situations, and the norms are largely accepted.

It's about making an effort for the interview and showing you're interested rather than just rocking up in ripped jeans and a t-shirt.

Plus it's a corporate environment where a lot of staff do wear suits and meet clients. That's another thing actually.... Know the company you're applying to.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But isn't this just more bull**** we say to ourselves, people have applied for the job, some may even have similar past experiences, some may even have relevant qualifications for the job, if they turn up for the interview, on time, aren't they already interested?

It depends on the level of the role and the industry I suppose to be fair.

I don't want someone who is just punching a clock and doing the minimum to pass their review. I want someone who is actually interested in what they do and the environment they work in and who actively wants to be involved in finding ways to improve things or lead new projects.

I see my role as much (if not more) about supporting the teams and individuals I manage, rather than just ensuring that the day to day gets done. That's important too but I want to be able to develop and encourage people to get involved in new projects and tasks and feel like they're getting something more than just a paycheque.

I think for a lot of people that's equally something they want from an employer, no?

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.

Maybe I've just been lucky with the employers I've worked with, or maybe it's that IT departments are usually a bit apart from the "business" and the culture you describe and so are a bit more easy-going and free-thinking.

My job as the department head is to protect my team from that culture and the politics as much as possible (but yet still provide a service that meets their needs and expectations), but also to sell the benefits of what the team does where companies often see IT as purely a cost and one they grudgingly pay for.

I moved companies a few months back and to be fair, the culture here is a lot more open and flat (from a org structure point of view) and the team is generally happy and engaged despite a high workload and frequently moving goalposts. I'm working to address those issues and so far everyone (from my team, to business peers and senior leadership) seem to be buying into the changes I'm implementing

fryup wrote: »

its all very well recommending these IT/Computer courses, but bear in mind not everyone has the aptitude for them

I understand that, I just used it as an example. There are thousands of courses out there, 2 or 3 days ones that would give you a huge advantage over other applicants. Pick one you are interested in and that you know there are jobs in and then go do it.
No one is going to hire people these days with no experience unless they employers are desperate.

Well, after all that, I just got a call offering me the job I was on the panel for, delighted!

Hope your luck comes in soon too OP.

rob316 wrote: »

In a social media age where your content says everything about your business it's needs to be entertaining, fresh and stand out. If you hire someone to your marketing team and their personality is stiff as a board, it reflects in the content they put out.

Confident we hired the right person so the method has merit.

Not true!


One of the many skills of marketing is to present a facade. A good marketer can create countless different faces to convince different audiences. Professional, whacky, boring... You need to be a shapeshifter, in a sense.


There are also many audiences which don't go for the "entertaining" factor, not by a long shot. Selling insurance to Germans? B2B? The more boring and long-winded, the better. Of course it depends on the specific metrics, but



Online dating, insurance, ecommerce, crypto investment, "letters from Santa", sex toys. I've worked on all kinds of campaigns, used many different voices and styles. Yet I'm generally quite a boring person.


Though I definitely agree that CVs are a bit outdated. Portfolios and examples of previous work are far better.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Even though, I to some degree understand where you re coming from, the corporate working environment is a truly dreadful working environment, it dehumanises people, by endless control. we are all individualistic, our own identity is important and critical for our overall happiness and well being, but there seems to be a conflict of interest within the corporate world. The truth is, most people work to just survive, yes it would be great if we could all do what we wanted to really do in life, but this isn't our reality. many employers couldn't give a ****e about their employees needs, as the bottom line is king, this is particularly evident in the corporate sector, trying to create the same type of thinkers, it results in disillusioned and unhappy workers. The corporate sector responds by various different carrot and stick approaches.

This is the job, these are the rules, this is the wage.
Is you expect a business to act as a childminder to adults you don't understand how things work.