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FE1 Challenge the Rules

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  • #92
    TemptationWaits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭TemptationWaits


    I think the bigger firms are complaining because more people are failing them than ever before so it's really messing up their intake plans.


  • #93
    olliej
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭olliej


    Hi,

    Just to chime in: Firms from outside of the greater Dublin region are complaining that the PPC courses are upsetting the flow of their firms. PPC1 being 9 months long and then PPC2 continuing after a break and being for only 3 months means trainee solicitors are out of office in broken stints which upsets the office structure, especially those firms who have more than 1 trainee at a time. Firms outside of Dublin are hoping that the PPC2 will be scrapped or, at best, merged with PPC1 course in order to fix this issue.

    With regards FE1s, there have been requests to amend/scrap them (not sure about details) however, this is not going to happen because of the revenue that is generated.

    It would be fantastic to get rid of the magic 3 but look at it from their point of view: You sit 3 for €315 and pass 2 but fail 1, you're not coming back paying €105, it's €315 back in their pocket because they say so. €210 easy money. Put each candidate through the wash once and they've made thousands.

    Rechecks costing more than the actual exam is a very good indication of how the Law Society works.

    Also, just to note, they have a boards page and I'm sure they check the forums.

    Best advice I have is to do your study, pass your exams and try change it from the inside when we're there. Our generation cares a lot less about money and a lot more about logic and fairness.


  • #94
    Jenosul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Jenosul


    olliej wrote: »
    Hi,

    Just to chime in: Firms from outside of the greater Dublin region are complaining that the PPC courses are upsetting the flow of their firms. PPC1 being 9 months long and then PPC2 continuing after a break and being for only 3 months means trainee solicitors are out of office in broken stints which upsets the office structure, especially those firms who have more than 1 trainee at a time. Firms outside of Dublin are hoping that the PPC2 will be scrapped or, at best, merged with PPC1 course in order to fix this issue.

    With regards FE1s, there have been requests to amend/scrap them (not sure about details) however, this is not going to happen because of the revenue that is generated.

    It would be fantastic to get rid of the magic 3 but look at it from their point of view: You sit 3 for €315 and pass 2 but fail 1, you're not coming back paying €105, it's €315 back in their pocket because they say so. €210 easy money. Put each candidate through the wash once and they've made thousands.

    Rechecks costing more than the actual exam is a very good indication of how the Law Society works.

    Also, just to note, they have a boards page and I'm sure they check the forums.

    Best advice I have is to do your study, pass your exams and try change it from the inside when we're there. Our generation cares a lot less about money and a lot more about logic and fairness.

    Thank you for the information.

    I agree that we keep supporting for our colleagues if/when we/I pass. Even if it doesn’t benefit us personally, although that would be a godsend!!

    I like your statement about our generation caring about logic and fairness and would hope to see this development throughout the industry.


  • #95
    Vegetarian2017
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭Vegetarian2017


    One thing i think is in need of change is the below example:
    If a student has a blackhall offer for say Sept 2019 and sits remaining exams in march 2019 it is a joke that there is no chance to repeat a month or two later to secure their blackhall place. Like the sittings are too far apart! Next one being October 2019 meaning when or if you fail in march 2019 u have to wait till Sept 2020. That is a hard pill to swallow for some id say!!
    I doubt they'd get rid of magic 3 it would open a floodgate of applicants/trainees but really paying twice for say two already passed is madness along with many other rules! At least they are allowing viewing of papers now.


  • #96
    Jimdtug1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 ✭Jimdtug1


    Vegetarian2017 wrote: »
    One thing i think is in need of change is the below example:
    If a student has a blackhall offer for say Sept 2019 and sits remaining exams in march 2019 it is a joke that there is no chance to repeat a month or two later to secure their blackhall place. Like the sittings are too far apart! Next one being October 2019 meaning when or if you fail in march 2019 u have to wait till Sept 2020. That is a hard pill to swallow for some id say!!
    I doubt they'd get rid of magic 3 it would open a floodgate of applicants/trainees but really paying twice for say two already passed is madness along with many other rules! At least they are allowing viewing of papers now.

    It's not a joke or madness it's the rules!! The same rules that are made clear to everybody when they sit the exams.

    The only way these rules would be unfair would be if they were not made known to candidates before sitting the exam. I get that they might not suit everybody, me included, but we all know what we are signing up to at the start.


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